The Internet Apocalypse Is Ahead Of ScheduleThe continuing adventures of Nemertes Research and the exaflood myth... 06:23PM Wednesday May 13 2009 by Karl Bodetags: business · bandwidth · Op/Ed · contentA few weeks ago, Nemertes Research reconstituted a 2008 report claiming the Internet was about to run out of bandwidth, and that looming brown outs would be hitting us any day now. Telecom lobbyists use this data to argue that if they don't get what they want (less regulation, no net neutrality laws, no price controls, huge subsidies and tax credits, less consumer protection, metered billing) we'll soon all be crying over our clogged pipes. The Nemertes prediction of a looming bandwidth apocalypse is highly contested by network capacity experts, who note that the Internet's growth is actually quite manageable with only modest infrastructure upgrades. But the idea of a collapsing Internet is simply too compelling for many lazy journalists, who enjoy penning very exciting but inaccurate stories like this recent one in the UK's Sunday Times. Says the Times: Internet users face regular brownouts that will freeze their computers as capacity runs out in cyberspace, according to research to be published later this year. It will initially lead to computers being disrupted and going offline for several minutes at a time. From 2012, however, PCs and laptops are likely to operate at a much reduced speed, rendering the internet an "unreliable toy." Scary! Except Nemertes analyst Ted Ritter, quoted in the article, stopped by our forums to note that the paper "took great liberty" with his quotes, and "put a sensationalist spin on Nemertes research." Apparently making the rounds, Ritter also stopped over at Techdirt to proclaim that actually, the Internet will scale quite well -- with the exception of the last mile. That's not really news, nor is it what Nemertes had previously claimed. So it's strange when Techdirt directs our attention to a new piece at Network World again proclaiming that the broadband "sky is falling." The article was written by Nemertes analyst Johna Till Johnson, though you might not know that since Network World doesn't bother to tell you. Despite Ritter's claim that it's the media that's solely responsible for hyper-inflating Nemertes' claims, Johnson does a pretty good job all by herself, taking a series of unrelated points and using them as evidence that the Internet apocalypse has already arrived: We were right. YouTube recently announced it's discontinuing video delivery to certain geographies due to -- ahem -- lack of access capacity. And providers from telcos to cable companies are implementing "usage caps" to keep users from, er, consuming "too much" bandwidth. Seems the only thing we got wrong was the timing --we anticipated the crunch hitting in the 2011/2012 timeframe, but we're seeing it happening already. Again, quite scary! Except that YouTube doesn't invest in certain countries because, as the New York Times noted last month, it's not always profitable to do so due to low ad revenues. Apparently, people in low-income countries have more important things to worry about than buying crap. That has absolutely nothing to do with the Nemertes prediction of global Internet brownouts caused by unmanageable capacity demand. As for caps and overages, carriers like Time Warner Cable, who are trying to implement low caps and high overages, aren't doing so because of bandwidth constraints. They've provided no data to support that argument. Caps and overages are being implemented because carriers want to use their power in uncompetitive markets to protect TV revenues from Internet video and please investors, who like the idea of you paying more for the same (or less) product while the costs to provide that product continue to drop. It's a little difficult to take Nemertes seriously when their data is only used by AT&T lobbyists looking to scare lawmakers into doing their bidding, and lazy journalists eager to get hits for sensationalist crap. It's even harder to take them seriously when their positions on the severity of their already dubious crisis seem to vacillate repeatedly. Hyperbolic editorials using completely unrelated data really doesn't help their cause much, either. I suppose settling the debate is easy enough. We can just wait until next year when, according to Nemertes, the Internet is supposed to start grinding to a halt. When it continues to function perfectly thanks to the ingenuity of network engineers everywhere, Nemertes can issue everybody an apology, right? Related:- Remember How The Net Neutrality Fight Began
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1 edit | Let them bet their jobs on it These pseudo-journalists and industry backed think tanks should quit the business when they're wrong. Let them bet their jobs on their unfounded prognostications.
Even Al Gore is smart enough to put the doomsday date far out enough that he can retire on all the speaking money. | |
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| Re: Let them bet their jobs on it said by Smith6612 :Well, take it like this. The internet itself is fine. No where near close to being overloaded (proven by the Obama Inauguration day when internet usage peaked). The last mile, sure I can see why they're saying this when it comes down to that (looking at non-DOCSIS 3.0 networks). But the way they're making it sound is quite iffy. If the internet was having brownouts, I would have noticed something up with both of my connections by now. I don't even agree with the last mile argument. The technology is out there where the last mile would not be an issue. The issue is that corporations are too cheap and too worried about their bottom line to make the last mile a non-issue. | |
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| said by Bit : Let them bet their jobs on their unfounded prognostications. could you imagine if weathermen did that...we'd have a different person everyday of the week! Seriously though, these clowns @ Nemertes are just taking a page from the current theme of municiple, county, state and federal governance;that there needs to be a crisis in order to implement solutions that wouldn't normally pass through any form of legislature.
It's really f***ing sad its come to this point! | |
|  |  |   Bit Premium join:2009-02-19 00000 1 edit | Re: Let them bet their jobs on it But this is far worse than weather. It would be like the local weather guy in Oregon claiming that a Hurricane is coming next month and saying it once or twice a year while his cousin is in the storm shutter business. | |
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| Again? Wasn't the internet supposed to collaps in 1Q 2009? Uhm, yeah.
So, as we blaze into 2Q... things look like they are plugging along well.
YAWN!  -- Think outside the Fox... Opera | |
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join:2004-10-11 Burlington, NJ | Re: Again? I thought it was supposed to be y2k
lol. | |
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| Heck they been saying it since metered hourly billing with dial-up. For some reason I always think of too these same people saying such off the wall remarks as "If too many people have unlimited access to the internet eventually all the telephone wires will melt."
Or as per Rupert Murdoch: »www.infowars.com/rupert-murdoch-···-be-over | |
|  |   BetaTron Sinz Premium join:2002-08-18 Brooklyn, NY | The netpocalypse is coming... better stop downloading all that bootleg music or the ISPs won't let you into their realms...
These business folks crack me up. | |
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| Re: Again? said by BetaTron :The netpocalypse is coming... better stop downloading all that bootleg music or the ISPs won't let you into their realms... better start downloading MORE THAN EVER BEFORE, you never know, right? | |
|   WiFiguru Formerly jnethostman Premium join:2005-06-21 Lodi, CA | Hahahaha The internet will only be as big as we make it.
Hell, fiber carriers haven't even started to compress packets yet. | |
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| Re: Hahahaha Why can't people just realise that the ISPs want only to skrew people with this stuff? I hope the guys in DC do NOT let the ISPs have their way.
If it is that big a deal y can't the ISPs just upgrade their network? r they too cheap?
The exaflood is nothing but a lie that ISPs tell so they can skrew you. | |
|   SLD Premium join:2002-04-17 | The exaflood... The exaflood is only as good as it sounds... | |
|   SLD Premium join:2002-04-17 | I can see it now Warner Bros presents: Exaflood Coming to theatres, 2009. | |
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| Re: I can see it now said by SLD :Warner Bros presents: Exaflood Coming to theatres, 2009. Now on The Pirate Bay. | |
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| Re: I can see it now I think we could all use a few brownouts (or even blackouts) and get back to doing things the old-fashioned way! 
The only thing I would really miss is BBR.  -- "Be simple, be earnest and spread that simplicity throughout everything you do." | |
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| Re: I can see it now said by Sparrow :I think we could all use a few brownouts (or even blackouts) and get back to doing things the old-fashioned way!  what? when to load a single webpage takes 5 minutes? no way. | |
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| Re: I can see it now said by Shriyash :said by Sparrow :I think we could all use a few brownouts (or even blackouts) and get back to doing things the old-fashioned way!  what? when to load a single webpage takes 5 minutes? no way. :) What's a webpage???!!! That kind of old-fashioned. Remember letters with stamps that had to mailed? | |
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join:2002-04-05 Jamaica, NY | Re: I can see it now See, thats metered bandwidth, unlimited bandwidth is unnatural. | |
|  neufuse
join:2006-12-06 Indiana, PA | who comes up with this...... who comes up with this BS? Computer "freezing" for minutes? comon... lack of bandwidth will NOT freeze your computer... who makes this stuff up? its like sensationalism gone crazy for PC's to scare people into higher prices | |
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| said by GOLFnSUN :said by neufuse :who comes up with this BS? Computer "freezing" for minutes? comon... lack of bandwidth will NOT freeze your computer... who makes this stuff up? its like sensationalism gone crazy for PC's to scare people into higher prices How about Google? They added a "flaky connection" mode to their Gmail service. Do they see something coming that others don't? [att=1] » groups.google.com/group/gmail-la···de?pli=1 You can change your screen name TKJunkMail, but you're still full of crap. It's there for wireless connections, and you know it. | |
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| Two problems, don't conflate them The Network World article is excellent; Johna (who is the head of Nemertes) is one of the smartest people writing in the trade press. But the press articles attacking her don't recognize two separate points being made.
One is total traffic volume. Not that it can't be provided, but it can't be provided at the price you guys want. The current growth rate of average usage isn't 100%/year, but full-rate (not Flash) video uses orders of magnitude more than web and similar classic applications. So it could become a problem easily.
The Internet is not one network -- that's why it's called Internet, a network of networks. So it does not go all crappy at once. Capacity is cheap in Manhattan, NY, not so cheap in Manhattan, IL, and even costlier in Manhattan, NV. That middle mile is a killer. I was talking today to a client whose WISP is the only near-broadband service in a town of 1000 people whose nearest town of over 50k is over 100 miles away, in Idaho someplace. We're looking at pulling FTTH. But middle mile capacity is incredibly expensive and limited. These are microwave routes to the nearest fiber. Backbone capacity in such places can't be treated as a zero-cost commodity.
Johnson's article also referred to a totally unrelated problem, IP backbone route proliferation in BGP. This is a scaling problem in IP itself which is leading to real "sky is falling" effects as the routing update mechanism will not be able to keep up. It makes being on the backbone costlier, too, regardless of how much or how little traffic you have.
IPv6 makes it worse, not better; it's no solution to anything meaningful. That's why some of us (who have formed the Pouzin Society, named after Louis Pouzin, as close as you can get to a real inventor of the Internet) are advocating the development of PNA as a new protocol stack. It is totally different, but still interworks with IPv4 (for transition) better than IPv6. Read up about it at »www.pouzinsociety.org/ . PNA decentralizes the model better than IP. It fixes routing-related issues like multihoming and mobility. It fixes the address issue too -- that turns out to be a red herring after all. It uses only names, not addresses, external to each (recursive) layer, so the address at any layer is local to a group of cooperating systems. But this is worth a different article, which I'll leave to the webmaster's discretion. | |
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| Re: Two problems, don't conflate them In addition the biggest problem is that the middle mile is still mainly controlled by the same incumbents that control the last mile.
The incumbents are the problem at every part of the network because they are trying to maximize short term profits and will sacrifice anything to do it. | |
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join:2007-02-19 Golden, CO | Re: Two problems, don't conflate them Things really get dicey when there's no last mile as far as internet goes. You heard me right...Qwest and AT&T are the cheapest T1 providers for loop and port here. Verizon is the ILEC and they don't even have DSL. *groan* | |
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| Re: Two problems, don't conflate them said by 59126125 :As far as internet backbone capacity goes, there are solutions to deliver speeds at the prices consumers want. But innovation like this will go on the back burner if billing by the byte is adopted. The ironic part of that statement is that we have a plethora of backbone fiber today because backbone carriers bill based on usage. More infrastructure capacity = more revenue potential.
These are a bit like linking to things like GM's Hydrogen Fuel Cell Vehicles and declaring our dependence on fossil fuels solved.
There is a lot of existing infrastructure in place, and forklift upgrades are simply too costly for most companies to take on. The most cost-effective building block for backbone network expansion right now is 10GigE interfaces. There are currently efforts underway to finalize standards for 40GigE/100GigE, but the standard isn't slated to be completed until the middle of next year. One of the driving requirements for the 40/100 standard is that it needs to operate in existing 32/64 lambda DWDM systems, since carriers worldwide have billions of dollars invested in such systems.
This isn't a problem with backbone capacity, it's a problem with the costs associated with tapping into that capacity. There are a lot of discussions here about how a megabit is a megabit, and that's really not the case. The costs and complexity of upgrading a single backbone line from 1000mbps to 10,000mbps aren't the same as upgrading a hundred 10mbps connections to 100mbps. The bandwidth numbers are the same, but the interface costs / outage window negotiation / engineering effort are greater due to the increased scale. | |
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| Re: Two problems, don't conflate them Maybe its time for ISPs to invest in edge caching and for be cooperative with P2P efforts to put ASN prioritizing into P2P networks, split your upload traffic between 1/3 off-ASN, and 2/3rd same-ASN if you have enough same-ASN peers wanting data. No ISP should be complaining about same ASN traffic, the traffic costs are like one big LAN then. (P4P is sketchy in my opinion, ASN prioritization requires very little or no ISP participation, P4P sounds like your giving full peer selection ability and queue control to the ISP in real time.)
Remember in Asia with all those 100mbit and gigabit symmetrical FTTH, you can only do 100/1000 to other customers of your ISP, the speed to outside the ISP/outside the country looks like normal FTTH or normal cable modem service with speed in blocks of 5 and 10 mbitps, max 50 mbitps off the ISP/country. | |
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| said by fgoldstein :The Internet is not one network -- that's why it's called Internet, a network of networks. So it does not go all crappy at once. Capacity is cheap in Manhattan, NY, not so cheap in Manhattan, IL, and even costlier in Manhattan, NV. That middle mile is a killer. I was talking today to a client whose WISP is the only near-broadband service in a town of 1000 people whose nearest town of over 50k is over 100 miles away, in Idaho someplace. We're looking at pulling FTTH. But middle mile capacity is incredibly expensive and limited. These are microwave routes to the nearest fiber. Backbone capacity in such places can't be treated as a zero-cost commodity. BS. The local CO has fiber or MW to the nearest POP guaranteed. Analog trunks area dead in the USA. Its just the local phone company laughs all the way to the bank with mileage charges for fiber that is almost fully depreciated in the books, and there are no other choices other than the ILEC (or MW) and their abusive mileage charges.
You would be surprised how much fiber there is in rural areas and along highways and railroads. Look for the "caution fiber optic" posts along any thick roads on the map, and look at the pole, I'm sure there is fiber there. | |
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| Nemertes Report Hi Karl, Actually the Times of London reconstituted our report, and some of their comments were a bit sensationalist (understatement). I urge everyone to read the actual report at »www.nemertes.com/studies/interne···ture_net and the FAQ before passing judgment.
Thanks, Irwin Lazar, Vice President, Communications Research Nemertes Research | |
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| Ummmm no... "Internet users face regular brownouts that will freeze their computers as capacity runs out in cyberspace, according to research to be published later this year. It will initially lead to computers being disrupted and going offline for several minutes at a time. From 2012, however, PCs and laptops are likely to operate at a much reduced speed, rendering the internet an "unreliable toy."" Speaking as someone who has been a computer engineer for the last 20 years. COMPUTERS DON'T WORK LIKE THIS!
This is pretty much the dumbest thing I have ever read regarding the manner computers work with the internet.
Whomever wrote this needs a remedial "computers 101" class as soon as humanly possible. | |
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| Smoke and Mirrors Being in the filed for about 17 years myself and I too agree this is the biggest pile of bull____ i've heard of.
The real underlying problem is greedy corperations not willing to properly finance infrastructure build outs.
Us is 3rd world when it comes to the internet. Large sections of europe and asia are far more advanced than we are and offer cheaper prices to their consumers.
If there was a real brownout problem like is being discussed in this article we would have seen it first rate in japan or one of the many other arising fiber/high bandwidth systems.
Here in the US we get 1/4th the speed, caps, and double the price and we still here this voodoo telecom lobbyist suggesting they need even less regulation.
I say fire him any anyone backing him. Its part of an old corrupt corperate system that need to be replaced. | |
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| Re: Smoke and Mirrors said by Alex C :
Being in the filed for about 17 years myself and I too agree this is the biggest pile of bull____ i've heard of.
The real underlying problem is greedy corperations not willing to properly finance infrastructure build outs.
Us is 3rd world when it comes to the internet. Large sections of europe and asia are far more advanced than we are and offer cheaper prices to their consumers.
If there was a real brownout problem like is being discussed in this article we would have seen it first rate in japan or one of the many other arising fiber/high bandwidth systems.
Here in the US we get 1/4th the speed, caps, and double the price and we still here this voodoo telecom lobbyist suggesting they need even less regulation.
I say fire him any anyone backing him. Its part of an old corrupt corperate system that need to be replaced. Couldn't have said it any better my friend. | |
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