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kudos:5 | Re: The beginning of the end of second hand media stores said by battleop:It will be quite some time but the eventual goal of stopping the resale of used video games, movies, and books is in motion.
And where are these today? There are none in my suburban area. Maybe in poor urban areas? Online web sites? | |
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| Re: The beginning of the end of second hand media stores said by Linklist:said by battleop:It will be quite some time but the eventual goal of stopping the resale of used video games, movies, and books is in motion.
And where are these today? There are none in my suburban area. Maybe in poor urban areas? Online web sites? »www.moviestop.com/newjersey.html | |
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| | | | said by Linklist:said by battleop:It will be quite some time but the eventual goal of stopping the resale of used video games, movies, and books is in motion.
And where are these today? There are none in my suburban area. Maybe in poor urban areas? Online web sites? Oh come on, even big stores like gamestop sell used games. | |
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kudos:5 | Re: The beginning of the end of second hand media stores said by jeffreydean1:Are you serious? I've never encountered a city or town without a Gamestop or equivalent that sells used games by the bushel. I've NEVER seen a city without at least 4 used cd/dvd/book stores.
Where do you live, in a cave?
The subject of this thread was used movies and not games. Based on a post made above the nearest used movie place is at least 25 miles away.
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None in your area, but plenty in mine. | |
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| | | | | said by jeffreydean1:Are you serious? I've never encountered a city or town without a Gamestop or equivalent that sells used games by the bushel. I've NEVER seen a city without at least 4 used cd/dvd/book stores.
Where do you live, in a cave?
you cant trade or sell most modern PC games. they're purchased and forever tied to your steam, origin, or D2D account. even many retail copies are simply a CD with the steam installer and some game cache files preloaded, meaning the retail game activates in your steam account and can never be resold or given away.
His point about video games may not be that valid for console games, but it's 100% correct for the majority of all current PC games. | |
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| | | | | | Re: The beginning of the end of second hand media stores PC games are the exception to the rule. Fortunately, they are also a minority. And not even all PC games are like this. Many PC games are still being sold without being tied to origin or Steam. Maybe not the big name titles, but those games suck anyway. Bring on the indies! | |
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| | | | | | | Re: The beginning of the end of second hand media stores said by jeffreydean1:PC games are the exception to the rule. Fortunately, they are also a minority. And not even all PC games are like this. Many PC games are still being sold without being tied to origin or Steam. Maybe not the big name titles, but those games suck anyway. Bring on the indies!
PC gaming is much much much bigger than most people realize. most of the figures you see about sales are not even remotely close to reality since they just recently started estimating digital distribution sales. since none of the DD companies release concrete or estimated numbers for sales, there's no real way to even come up with a rough guesstimate. i do know that steam's concurrent online user range has pretty much doubled over the past 1-1.5 years. i remember it being ~1-2.5 million last spring and now it's 2-4.5m and they are pushing out an average of 150,000 mbps globally with peaks of over half a million mbps. that's some serious bandwidth and has to put valve as one of the world's top distributors of data. | |
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Step 1: Content providers get in bed the ISPs (Comcast/Verizon/Etc)
Step 2: Reduce the appeal/supply of physical media by pushing vast libraries of instant/on-demand streaming services at low prices
Step 3: Covert entire library to pure HD video for "maximum consumer entertainment"
Step 4: ISPs to switch to metered broadband
Step 5: Lower broadband tiers for "consumer benefit"
Step 6: Reap the profits of billing consumers for the broadband service, VOD service, and insane overage charges because one pure HD movie will kick you over the limit for a month.
Wow. Pot of water boiled real quick didn't it? 
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| | | said by battleop:It will be quite some time but the eventual goal of stopping the resale of used video games, movies, and books is in motion.
i havent bought a movie in probably 6 years. not really sure what the problem is. now used games, on the other hand...i miss selling those. But, those are also $40-60 and not 10-15.
been streaming movies for as long as that's been an option. buying something youll watch 2-3 times is a waste when you can get a month of any streaming service for the price of one media.
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| | | | Re: The beginning of the end of second hand media stores said by Somnambul33t:you couldnt remove physical media fast enough for me to be happy.
Why do we need to remove physical media for you to be happy? Why can't we keep our discs? You'll still have your streaming... | |
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Why would you care if it's still around?
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| | | | | Re: The beginning of the end of second hand media stores Because physical media wastes natural resources and creates a boatload of garbage. The sooner it goes away, the better for all of us in the long run. | |
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| | | Re: But we'll keep the discs forever Funny.  My wife is the same way. No VHS player but I can't toss the old VHS tapes. | |
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VHS tapes don't move anywhere even for free. I had a few big yard sales and all of my VHS tapes didn't move even when selling them for a quarter, decent movies too. Good Will is loaded with VHS movies and VCR's here, nobody wants them. You can't even give away a decent tube TV anymore.
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| | End Of Dead-Tree Books, Too Yeah, yeah. And others are predicting the demise of real books, too.
I don't think either is going to happen in my lifetime. Value remains in having your own copy, which is not possible with streamed content and DRM-protected e-books. My wife and I still buy real books. We experimented with making the transition, but, after my experience with e-books with B&N, that's now a dead issue. We still occasionally rent or buy DVDs or BDs. We stream via NF, but the discs are better. We still buy our music on CD, and, while I have purchased some single tracks from Amazon, for the purpose of creating a compilation CD, I really don't see that changing. | |
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00000 | Re: End Of Dead-Tree Books, Too said by jseymour:I don't think either is going to happen in my lifetime. You must be in your 70s. | |
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| | | | | | Re: End Of Dead-Tree Books, Too Books in one form or another have existed for thousands of years. Digitally stored data available in a form that doesn't need to be printed out is around 30-40 years old. I don't think a format that can be easily erased or corrupted by a click of a button will overtake a format that has stood the test of time.
Sure more digital media will be used, but there is no way hard copies will be completely replaced. | |
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Sadly real books and physical media will become a thing of the past-and I'm expecting it to happen sooner than later. We still have to figure out a way to deliver on the electronic medium without breaking the bank or hocking our lives or reading material will again be a luxury only the very rich will be able to afford. The Internet is a very powerful vehicle for delivery but it needs to have some oversight so that it becomes yet another luxury. | |
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Not everybody enjoys reading on tiny little screens. Hell man, I'm only 30 and everyone I know in my peer group buys quite a few physical books a year, myself included. Nothing can match having your own copy instead of a license bound to some retarded DRM scheme. Screw that, I'll keep my dead tree thank you very much. | |
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| said by jseymour:Yeah, yeah. And others are predicting the demise of real books, too.
I don't think either is going to happen in my lifetime. Value remains in having your own copy, which is not possible with streamed content and DRM-protected e-books. My wife and I still buy real books. We experimented with making the transition, but, after my experience with e-books with B&N, that's now a dead issue. We still occasionally rent or buy DVDs or BDs. We stream via NF, but the discs are better. We still buy our music on CD, and, while I have purchased some single tracks from Amazon, for the purpose of creating a compilation CD, I really don't see that changing.
I agree the value is in ownership, but content creators don't want you to own, there is no profit in it.
They want you to buy "content" for every single media player you have in your house/car etc.
The ads for movies always make me laugh with their "Own it today" tagline, few people realize they don't own it, they own the physical media only.
I honestly see in the next 10-15yrs most physical media will disappear, they've been trying to overthrow libraries for years, they lose so much money when we just "borrow" a book instead of buying it. They're trying a different business model with Ebooks imposing Onerous terms (they now licensed and the licenses expires after 26 "borrows" or 1yr, they claim books wear out after that time).
In Toronto it's failed we are one of the largest purchasers of books and have said no to one of the publishers when it comes to Ebooks and those terms.
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B) The % of the population with slow broadband where downloading a movie is not worth the time will still need physical media
C) The % of the population that don't have internet because they don't want it will still need physical media
D) The % of the population who have caps on their internet service which make downloading/streaming unappealing will still need physical media
E) The % of the population that still actually loves physical media/adverse to downloading. aka older people will still need physical media
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| | Don't get Owning movies. Never got "owning" movies. For me it's a watch once and that's it. I think I may own 2 or 3 movies on DVD. The rest we rent or do PPV. Although I'd rather pay Verizon $5 or Apple $5 for an HD movie rather than watch a low res DVD.
And since we got an Apple TV 2 weeks ago (the new 1080p one) I don't see the need for a BluRay player. I have a 25/25 FIOS connection (and will at the new house) and Netflix looks great as does rentals from iTunes. And since I don't buy movies it's probably a better deal anyway.
I also don't get having lots of books either. Outside of some reference books (like my photo books), what's the point? I'm never going to re-read them so I may as well rent them too. Having a room full of books I don't use that collect dust is kind of pointless. | |
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| | | Re: Don't get Owning movies. You've never found a movie that you want to see more than once? (That's kinda sad.) Same goes with books--you'll never know what you've missed until you find a book that you can re-read and enjoy. Maybe you're just not old enough to appreciate the value of "relaxing"?
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| | | | Re: Don't get Owning movies. said by iamwhatiam :You've never found a movie that you want to see more than once? (That's kinda sad.) Same goes with books--you'll never know what you've missed until you find a book that you can re-read and enjoy. Maybe you're just not old enough to appreciate the value of "relaxing"?
To each his own.
One of my hobbies is photography. Would much rather go out on a hike and enjoy nature and take pictures. Or go out and knock off some geocaches. Or go for a drive in the mountains, etc. That's relaxing to me.
I'll watch a movie again if it's on the TV, or HBO or whatever but I've never been one to say "I have to watch ZZZZ for the 100th time."
Same with books. I'll read it once and enjoy it and that's about it. Never been one to dive deeper into the "meaning" or "what the author meant". Seemed pointless in High School and College and seems pointless now. | |
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Just as I don't mind a hard copy of a truly great film.
Key detail here is 'truly great'.
Hollywood dreams of being able to dictate to me precisely how I will watch each and everyone of their often worthless excuses for entertainment. Let's be blunt too, it doesn't matter to me if they spent several millions of dollars to make a film if it is a watch once if that, lousy piece of crap.
Fools and their money are soon parted, and that classic expression applies to you as well Hollywood.
Worthless books won't interest me in any form, nor will worthless games. I prefer to buy the mundane through as economical a means as possible. I watch Netflix in SD willingly. Most of what I watch is purely mundane and isn't worth any more bandwidth than that.
Yes I have a wonderful HD TV, so what. I only need that HD for videos worth the effort. And while some of you can reply 'who am I to determine what is and is not quality?' Well when it's my money, it IS my opionion that counts.
I don't see a day when hard copy methods of selling goods will vanish entirely, but I WOULD like to see a day when Hollywood discontinues this crap of whining about every new method of viewing their product. Adapt, or get out of the business. It's not like films will disappear never to return if the biggie Hollywood sources disappear. The only thing that would be gone is the self righteous biggie studios.
Maybe it IS time they were gone. Most of their releases suck.
I AM part of the percentage that has mainly quit hard copy films in any format. Used to spend a LOT of time scrounging dvd downloads. Then I found Netflix. Nice thing about Netflix, I don't need to worry about having enough data space. It's their problem. I like it that way.
I've dreamed of getting all of Stargate on blue ray. It's all on Netflix though. Why spend the equal of a couple of years of Netflix service fees to get a series on disc (that I might end up scratching), when I can let Netflix store them for me?
I used to be all gungho for the latest in computer data storage, now I really just need to keep apace with the best in internet services.
The next frontier will be that eh, competition for faster speeds and greater volumes of data transmission.
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| | Beginning of the end of DVD, not Blu-ray. Blu-ray continues to grow every quarter for a simple reason: all these online services have dropped the ball on picture and audio fidelity. No one comes close to matching Blu-ray's quality, and it's going to be many more years before the people behind one of these services finally realize that we're ready for downloads with 40 Mbps video bitrates and 5 Mbps lossless audio bitrates.
My 150 Mbps FiOS can download a raw dual layer Blu-ray in 30 minutes. It's time for these legal services to stop pussyfooting around with pathetically low bitrates and take advantage of fiber optic and DOCSIS 3.0 speeds. | |
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| Re: Beginning of the end of DVD, not Blu-ray. said by 45612019:Blu-ray continues to grow every quarter for a simple reason: all these online services have dropped the ball on picture and audio fidelity. No one comes close to matching Blu-ray's quality, and it's going to be many more years before the people behind one of these services finally realize that we're ready for downloads with 40 Mbps video bitrates and 5 Mbps lossless audio bitrates.
My 150 Mbps FiOS can download a raw dual layer Blu-ray in 30 minutes. It's time for these legal services to stop pussyfooting around with pathetically low bitrates and take advantage of fiber optic and DOCSIS 3.0 speeds.
I agree. I think bluray will be like CD. It will probably be the last optical format (mostly because there are size constraints for the size of TV's people can fit into their homes, and bluray quality is excellent on those sizes). Bluray will be around for a while, but I don't think a Physical Format will replace it. | |
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| Doomsday is still far away. Until I can stream 1080p content at a bit rate of 50Mbps with 7.1 DTS-MA HD surround sound with hours of extra content .. than Blu Ray is quite safe as the deployment across the US of faster than 10Mbps internet is quite slow and will likely take decades.
DVD's can go away as far as I'm concerned , they are past there prime. I don't think the players will disappear as the piracy market is too vast for that. But I already stream tons of Netflix content.
But this entire headline is moot since bandwidth caps will completely hamper any true change , no one will be willing to give up there collection of discs only to be told they can only watch it so many times in a month before they get charged tons of extra money for bandwidth or threaten with a disconnect notice for hogging bandwidth. I think our physical media is still quite safe. | |
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Every film is different, so no single codec settings used by streaming services could hope to compete on a video & audio plain.
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Gaithersburg, MD | And... ...what happens when the licensing agreement to that movie or TV show you like expires on your streaming service and no one else decides to renew it? You can sit back and be happy with your memories of what a smart consumer you were while those of us who bought the discs will be actually watching that show/movie.
Yes, I understand that it depends on the fact that the content was released on either format to begin with, but the bottom line is if I own the disc, I decide when I watch it and not when some anonymous third party decides I can have permission to watch it. I got over having a parent monitor my viewing habits when I turned eighteen.
And now I think I'll go watch the Criterion James Bond laserdiscs that will never be legally available again.
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| Vcr's and dvd's vhs tapes are perfectly fine with me, while I do have some dvd's my collection of vhs tapes blows the presence of dvd's away in this household, heck I can still get movies on vhs and the newest ones at that, just got to look at some niche places, but they are still out there.
I'm not a fan of HD, everybody and there HD, While I appreciate how nice it looks and such, it's not for me, I am very much good with SD and my memorex CRT from 2006.
Now with the books, Yeah paperback and hardback editions I will cherish for all time, nobody is going to be able to pry them out of my cold dead hands.
with a limited income, higher internet speeds are not a reality for alot of us, sure some have fios, or cable internet, but people like me are scrapping by on 768-3.0mbit speeds. That does not let us experience streaming video in HD
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No internet connection required. Important in today's world of caps and also convenient to watch in the car.
Mostly can't be pulled away at a moment's notice.
Usually better quality than streaming.
Nice cover artwork and collectible items often included.
Can be bought and sold second hand.
DRM is usually weak allowing you to copy to portable devices easily (eg. iPods) without having to fork over money to iTunes or other places.
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If you've ever read the licensing terms for "buying" an online video, you'll see that you are simply buying the rights to stream said video multiple times. This right can be revoked at any time, for any reason.
Just ask people who bought videos on Amazon and now find that they can't be streamed for licensing reasons (when videos are showing on Cable's On Demand, streaming of send videos is frequently restricted do to licensing).
Not to mention that the "cloud" company can simply shut down and all your "purchased" movies and TV shows will simply disappear.
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