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join:2005-01-27 | FAIL My friend is in NZ. His ping rate is atleast 400ms at best. Can this speed up the latency it takes in the hops from NZ to Thailand, to japan, to hawaii, to US...to ... me? No.
I say its fail.
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cob_
1310nm Of Goodness
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join:2003-07-08
Tulsa, OK | Re: FAIL Yes.
Bigfoot has mastered time dilation, and given it to you on a $100 NIC. | |
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join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX | Re: FAIL ya you didn't know that it has a built in singularity thats linked to another singularity in their data center allowing for a bypass of bad routing.
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join:2009-02-28
Rockford, IL | Re: FAIL that would require a psu that could deliver 1.21 gigawatts! | |
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Nightwalker
join:1999-08-07
Appleton, WI
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NSA_CIA
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| Re: FAIL said by Authority :said by cableties :My friend is in NZ. His ping rate is atleast 400ms at best. Sometimes, a tiny improvement is the difference between winning and loosing.  In this case do you really think a change from 400ms to 395ms is really going to make a difference? | |
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Authority
Obama Biden '12
join:2000-03-29
Beverly Hills, CA
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| Re: FAIL said by NSA_CIA :said by Authority :said by cableties :My friend is in NZ. His ping rate is atleast 400ms at best. Sometimes, a tiny improvement is the difference between winning and loosing. In this case do you really think a change from 400ms to 395ms is really going to make a difference? You're obviously not a gamer, but yes I think every 5ms improvement helps and for $100 why not? | |
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digitalfreak
join:2005-12-09
49533 | It would sell much better as the "Killa NIC" | |
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MalibuMaxx
join:2007-02-06
Chesterton, IN
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| Krazy people I know the first one was expensive havent looked at their latest offerings but lag usually occurs in the cloud not at your computer... I could see it helpping a little because of offloading the processing and memory to a dedicated card but kill lag... hardly | |
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join:2008-04-12
1 edit | Re: Krazy people Hopefully no one will buy this thing actually thinking it will help. I can't believe someone came up with it and decided to spend money creating it when it obviously isn't going to work, and hopefully people are smart enough not to buy it. | |
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beerbum
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join:2000-05-06
Reading, PA
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| said by MalibuMaxx :I know the first one was expensive havent looked at their latest offerings but lag usually occurs in the cloud not at your computer... I could see it helpping a little because of offloading the processing and memory to a dedicated card but kill lag... hardly there are many reasonably priced NICs in the marketplace which you can set to offload processing to its own processor.. I have two RealTek and one SMC NIC that has that feature - all sell for around $20..
a few months ago I got to try out Nvidia's "high performance" ethernet card.. I think it was supposed to retail at around $250.. they have a thing that you can test and use the thing for two weeks then write a review and send the hardware off to the next person on the list..
needless to say I doubt I'll be asked to test/review any more - I send the NIC back with a note telling them it's nothing but a feel good rip-off.. ya know who cares if the card can do 400 Mbit/sec when your Internet connection maxes out at 12-14 Mbit..
as others have said, they do nothing for the average user and a waste of money - I thought maybe it's for use at a LAN party where everyone connects via a hub/switch, but then there is a thing called Gigabit Ethernet which in theory is faster @ 1000 Mbit/sec.. | |
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tmh
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| Re: Krazy people said by beerbum :as others have said, they do nothing for the average user and a waste of money - I thought maybe it's for use at a LAN party where everyone connects via a hub/switch, but then there is a thing called Gigabit Ethernet which in theory is faster @ 1000 Mbit/sec.. Not really. Throughput may be higher, but it does nothing for latency. | |
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Cheese
Premium
join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
clubs: | Once the connection leaves your modem..... The card will do -0- as far as latency.... | |
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Madness
A flea circus at a dog show.
join:2000-01-05
Quincy, MA
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: Once the connection leaves your modem..... said by Cheese :The card will do -0- as far as latency.... Making a correction to above: The card will do -0- s**t as far as latency....
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Cheese
Premium
join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
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| Re: Once the connection leaves your modem..... said by Madness :said by Cheese :The card will do -0- as far as latency.... Making a correction to above: The card will do -0- s**t as far as latency....  | |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | LOL So Monster Cable got into the NIC business?
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cdru
Go Colts
Premium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN | Processor/Memory 400Mhz processor and 64MB or RAM? How on earth did my college computer with 1/2 that speed and that much memory ever run an entire operating system... | |
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Madness
A flea circus at a dog show.
join:2000-01-05
Quincy, MA
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: A Challenger has appeared... ROFL! Why such a large card w/ a ton of open real estate for a half-dozen electrolytic capacitors? 
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koitsu
Premium
join:2002-07-16
Mountain View, CA
| That product, and the "Killer NIC", are just more devices catering to the present-day idiot generation of "gamers". The sooner that group/genre/cesspool ceases to exist, the sooner we'll actually start seeing revolutionary changes in technology. We've seen small hints here and there that *real* advancements do exist (best examples I can think of as of late: bendable fibre and Intel's Core 2 Duo/Quad series), but they're rare these days.
Surely I'm not the only one who remembers the past 7-8 years consisting of nothing but increases in CPU clock speeds. This just in: Intel hits 1.8GHz. This just in: AMD hits 2GHz. This just in: Intel hits 2.5GHz. This just in: AMD hits 3GHz. This just in: Intel hits 3.2GHz. This just in: AMD overclocks to 8GHz with liquid cooling.
Hey wait... OVERCLOCK EVERYTHING!! (We have a few wackos over on the Linksys forum who overclock their Linksys WRT54xx routers. Yes, you read that right.)
Gaming generation: DIE.
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TomClancy
Freedom isn't free
join:2003-04-23
... | Re: A Challenger has appeared... Do you even own a Linksys router that is overclocked?
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koitsu
Premium
join:2002-07-16
Mountain View, CA
| Re: A Challenger has appeared... I own many models of Linksys routers, and have even written a serial modification doc for the earlier WRT54G revisions.
What does this have to do with a fool's desire to decrease the lifespan of something they've purchased? To try and get a few more megahertz out of something that won't even benefit from the efforts required? If you can't double the speed, it isn't worth it.
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TomClancy
Freedom isn't free
join:2003-04-23
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2 edits | Re: A Challenger has appeared... said by koitsu :I own many models of Linksys routers, and have even written a serial modification doc for the earlier WRT54G revisions. Huh?
Stealing someone else's idea, changing it a little bit and then saying "look I wrote a tutorial on something that someone else originally wrote" must be hard work.
said by koitsu :What does this have to do with a fool's desire to decrease the lifespan of something they've purchased? To try and get a few more megahertz out of something that won't even benefit from the efforts required? If you can't double the speed, it isn't worth it. Your statement is contradicting itself. First you say overclokcing is pointless then you say overclocking it 2x is worth it.
Too concerned about lifespan? Doubling the clock speed will just kill it twice as fast.
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| At one point I was using a static compile of tcpdump on jffs2 I built from the OpenWRT SDK sniffing on ppp0 and writing the pcap (-s0 -nn -i ppp0 -w -) to netcat forwarded to a box running Snort which was reading a fifo that netcat was seeding. It worked very well except as traffic approached 1.4Mbit the overhead was a little too much for the CPU to handle and the QoS began to suffer and jitter was produced. This was without question a CPU ceiling issue.
So, I overclocked it, for a time and did have some improvements. Eventually I scrapped the idea because residential DSL is filled with nothing but Internet noise and little security concerns and I didn't like the idea of overclocking to begin with. I was using a WHR-G54S, Broadcom 5352 @ 200MHz was sufficient. Remember, we're talking MIPS, not x86, so there's still an improvement with marginal gains.
So, not everyone who adjusts clock speed are idiots, but I whole-heartedly agree with your previous statements about the gaming crowd. These are the same folks splattering 2.4GHz because they "modded" their WRT-54Gs and are running 250mA instead of installing a higher gain antenna because "more is better!!11oneone1!11exclamation".
This product is certainly geared towards them, oddly enough, you think they would be chasing things like DirectPlay/DirectSound with a soundcard doing software mixing causing time-slicing on the CPU instead of something like an emu10k1 doing hardware mixing. | |
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SLD
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join:2002-04-17
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pog
Premium
join:2004-06-03
Kihei, HI
·Hawaiian Telcom
| said by koitsu :... If you can't double the speed, it isn't worth it. I took my cheap core2 E4300 from 1.8Ghx up to 3.0Ghz... only +67% but worth it in my book. Lifespan? Still working fine 2 years later. It's worked so well for so long, everything it's based on is pretty much obsolete.
Pushing the envelope is an end in itself to a lot of people... a hobby... something fun to do. Whatever floats a person's boat, as they say.
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join:2002-08-28
Salem, OR
| I overclocked my monitor. Went from a 22" widescreen LCD to a 32" triplewide OLED Plasma, velcroed a slab of dry ice to the back of it so it won't overheat (watercooling just seems shockingly unsafe). Had to overclock my UPS so it could handle the load. Now I can play Battlefield 2142 three times as fast as everyone else! I've been a hardcore system builder/gamer since Doom, but I've rarely overclocked anything, never felt it necessary. | |
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| said by TomClancy :Do you even own a Linksys router that is overclocked? Dunno about the linksys, but I overclock my metabolism every morning. It's called coffee, very strong. | |
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join:2004-01-30
Portland, OR
| Who are you to say what I can do with my hardware? Overclocking is a hobby like any other and if you know anything about it, you know that as long as the hardware is kept within spec as far heat goes, you have nothing to worry about.
It's the same as taking a stock 350 engine and boring it out to something else. As long as the other components can handle the extra load, you do very little IF ANYTHING to its lifespan. So a CPU lasts 15 years instead of 20. Wow, Im really gonna be sad when that P-II 400 dies in 5 years.
Please, do some research and know what you're talking about before you make claims like this.
I guess Im one of those "Gamers" you speak of as I have overclocked my phone (G1). It see's a nice boost in performance for doing so as in it scrolls through and loads webpages much faster, although at the cost of battery life. While this may not be enough reason for YOU to do the mod, that doesn't mean others dont see or want the benefits in doing so.
Overclocking can have its advantages. Although the Killer NIC is not one of those cases. Anyone who knows how a network functions knows the Killer NIC will do nothing to cure ISP infrastructure/latency issues that are past the first hop and out of your control. | |
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join:2005-02-28
Raleigh, NC | A simple "get off my lawn!" would have sufficed. | |
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Metatron2008
join:2008-09-02
Stockbridge, GA | The gaming NIC is solely for people who game competitively. In all honesty, ignore it. But don't bash, as they are a few thousand who can benefit. | |
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bentheexo
join:2009-04-09
Jacksonville, FL
·Comcast
| The Killer NIC The reason you would want your NIC to have that much processing power and memory, is to offload the packet translation from the main processor to the NIC itself. By connecting through PCI or PCI-e and signals and such being preprocessed by the NIC your CPU will essentially setup a bypass for the data to then be transmitted to the intended output. | |
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Cheese
Premium
join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
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| Re: Before it's time? said by gatorkram :In a few more years, something like this will be welcome. I remember when higher performance video cards were a joke too. Didn't someone once say 640k of ram was enough? And those area local to the machine and affect local performance, once the connection leaves the modem, even with this card, it's still not going to make 1 bit of difference as it can't control how the connection is routed and what not..... | |
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join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA | Re: Before it's time? It's a time machine with a "flux capacitor"! | |
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RolteC
0h
join:2001-05-20
Fresh Meadows, NY
| Some can benefit, they just aren't clear enough. Couldn't servers benefit from this as well?
Or those of us who are using the PC for file sharing/among others things while also playing games?
Whats the packets per second on this thing anyway? Or does the computer still have to do all the work in creating the packets, using up all CPU? | |
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CoxTech1
VIP
join:2002-04-25
Chesapeake, VA
| Re: Some can benefit, they just aren't clear enough. This is what I was thinking myself when I first saw these things going for sale. I doubt they would help much for online gaming since the Internet connection is the bottleneck in the connection between you and the server in most cases but it would probably make an excellent low end server NIC. | |
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urbanriot
join:2004-10-18
St Catharines, ON
·Cogeco Cable
| said by RolteC :Couldn't servers benefit from this as well? Yes. That's why they make server oriented PCI-E cards that cost 1/2 the price of the Killer NIC and do twice as much work. | |
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ender7074
join:2006-11-21
Saint Louis, MO | There is always... ..some way to seperate fools from their money. If you want one of these, better be sure to buy some of my magic pixie dust to put on there. It will speed it up 10x.
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Gdadkins
join:2009-05-11
Mantachie, MS
| Changing ISP's Moving from a CLEC provider to a larger ILEC, or even a top tier ISP (Sprint, AT&T, etc. if possible given certain geographical limitation/incumbents) is probably the quickest bang for the buck to reduce your ping. By doing that, you reduce the amount of Hop's required to get from your local route to wherever the server is located. Less Hop's means less ping time added to your connection.
Of course a good PC will help in the rendering of the content, but a NIC will never decrease a ping time due to the design and nature of routing, TCP overhead, etc. | |
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axiomatic
join:2006-08-23
Tomball, TX
| The difference.... marketing. guys there are a lot of NIC cards on the market that have TOE and receive side scaling and jumbo frames. Intel's server class nics have had these things for a while now as well as a few of the newer broadcom NICs.
Bigfoot networks real "ingenuity" here is that they are doing some slight modification of the associated software to make this work better for gaming in particular. Otherwise, this is all just marketing spin for the gamers to buy in to ... or not.
Not saying the product is bad, its just not as "unique" as Bigfoot Networks marketing division would have you believe.
I'm using an HP NIC based of one of the Intel chips and it works great for gaming.
In my opinion getting a quality home router with QoS is a far better solution for gaming. That way you can assure yourself that your gaming traffic gets handled before anything else originating from any other PC in your house. | |
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DaMaGeINC
The Lan Man
Premium
join:2002-06-08
Greenville, SC
clubs: | You forget. People in general are stupid. They will buy anything that "looks" good. I mean, seriously, people still click on spam and buy that junk, so I would not be surprised to see people buy this. | |
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C0deZer0
Oc'D To Rhythm And Police
Premium
join:2001-10-03
Davenport, FL
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| Like the principle, not the execution I'm in the boat of that I like what the NIC actually does, but I don't necessarily agree with the advertisements... or the price.
Would I have one? Sure.
Would I pay $100+ for ANY NIC? Hell to the no.
I like the fact that the network operation is done in hardware (unlike even really good onboard NICs), but for that price, I'd rather get a sound card instead that would improve far more for the money than the NIC would.
And for the price, why not have it be with two PHY's so that you could have a secondary wireless from the same physical NIC? THAT would have actually made it more attractive and valuable.
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nnaarrnn
join:2004-09-30
Nitro, WV
·Vonage
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·Suddenlink
| People dont understand I'm not defending it, as I DO NOT have one, and made fun of it as well. My boss explained to me that it does more than just offload network tasks from the CPU, it replaces the ENTIRE windows network stack with it's own custom stack. It's more than just horsepower. I know a guy that has the original one, and his wow pings went from 300+ to 100+ by doing away with the MS network stack. | |
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Cheese
Premium
join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
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| Re: People dont understand said by nnaarrnn :I'm not defending it, as I DO NOT have one, and made fun of it as well. My boss explained to me that it does more than just offload network tasks from the CPU, it replaces the ENTIRE windows network stack with it's own custom stack. It's more than just horsepower. I know a guy that has the original one, and his wow pings went from 300+ to 100+ by doing away with the MS network stack. Great, it replaces the Windows stack, there is still that pesky thing called the "internet" which that card is not going to be able to control, if his pings went down that dramatically, I am going to assume it's something outside of the card that caused his pings to change that much  | |
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urbanriot
join:2004-10-18
St Catharines, ON | Buy a good 3COM or Intel NIC instead. Buy a used 3COM or Intel NIC off Ebay instead, one that has properly supported TCP and UDP checksum offloading, and other features. That will certainly give you better results than snake oil. | |
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Tecklord
join:2001-01-27
Belleville, IL | Gaming NIC This works as well as spending us out of debt. | |
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Testing The 'Lag Killing' Gaming NIC
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