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| Re: Incomplete List said by AZ_OGM :And North Korea, Iran, Cuba, etc. Point.
Until this "Glasnost Project," which, humorously or not, is named after a scheme under which a former Soviet leader tried to perpetuate totalitarian rule in the USSR, actually provides a complete list of countries and ISPs which block Bittorrent, I think it is premature to conclude anything from it. -- This isn't fair! I was only supposed to hate just ONE presidential candidate! | |
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They are still gathering data. Do you eat your food before it is done cooking?
Do you drive your car before it is done being manufactured?
Do you live in an unfinished house?
Do a full and complete analysis, then come to a conclusion. -- This isn't fair! I was only supposed to hate just ONE presidential candidate! | |
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They are still gathering data. Do you eat your food before it is done cooking? Do you drive your car before it is done being manufactured? Do you live in an unfinished house? Do a full and complete analysis, then come to a conclusion. Do you run your mouth without having any clue of what you speak of?
Seriously , they made no such claims. The writer of this article did. All they did was provide their current data. They did not say it was a representative sample of reality or anything. They did not say they had come to any conclusion.
So before you speak, I ask once again that you FREAKING REVIEW THE SOURCE. | |
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| Re: Incomplete List said by user851 :
Do you run your mouth without having any clue of what you speak of? Yawn. You never answered my questions, so being clueless, I will simply assume you do eat raw food, drive in an unfinished car, and live in an unfinished house.
said by user851 :Seriously  , they made no such claims. I never said the site made such claims.
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The writer of this article did. I see you've read my other posts.
said by user851 :
All they did was provide their current data. They did not say it was a representative sample of reality or anything. They did not say they had come to any conclusion. I never said they did.
said by user851 :
So before you speak, I ask once again that you FREAKING REVIEW THE SOURCE. Or what? You're going to tell on me? It isn't my fault that an objective analysis wasn't done here. -- This isn't fair! I was only supposed to hate just ONE presidential candidate! | |
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| Re: Incomplete List said by Karl Bode :China is listed as having 8 nodes tested from 6 ISPs with no blocks reported. Obviously this is a new project looking for additional data samples. Then it would be incorrect to conclude that the USA and Singapore are the worst offenders. -- This isn't fair! I was only supposed to hate just ONE presidential candidate! | |
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| Re: Incomplete List said by Karl Bode :Whatever you'd like to believe, I guess. At best, this website provides tools for testing. But without actual research being done in many of these countries, it is not possible to reach a credible conclusion.
It would be like saying "Wyoming has more crime than California" when all your evidence is just the crime stats for Wyoming and nothing else for California. -- This isn't fair! I was only supposed to hate just ONE presidential candidate! | |
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| Re: Incomplete List At best it shows that at least for the limited amount of testing, SINGAPORE and the USA are WORSE offenders. However, being the scale of ISPS tested are limited (pending more exist obviously), only cannot make this assertion on a whole. Merely, one can just look at the data and say in terms of what has been collected, the US and SINGAPORE are fairing much worse at this given moment. That may or may not change, obviously. Time is he deciding factor. Still, it's sad to even note we make the list. We champion the cause of Democracy while doing everything we can to back paddle from it in the last 10 years in both private and governmental sectors. | |
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Ireland 1 out of 7 = 14% Canada 1 out of 99 = 1 % Malaysia 1 out of 2 = 50% Singapore 1 out of 6 = 16% US - 10 out of 199 = 5%
Edit: So the US is 4th now... | |
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| Re: Incomplete List said by rgillis70 :Edit: So the US is 4th now... Damnit... we can't NOT be #1... when I get home (I have Comcast) I will do a few tests so we return to the front of the line where we belong! -- This isn't fair! I was only supposed to hate just ONE presidential candidate! | |
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join:2002-04-10 | Re: Incomplete List Hey by all means add to the list. As I said above pnh, it is reflective of the data set at a given moment. The fact we make the list at all is disturbing if you ask me. | |
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| Re: Incomplete List said by KrK :Which in this case is "Big Business = Good"... That's GREED IS GOOD. Get it right! -- This isn't fair! I was only supposed to hate just ONE presidential candidate! | |
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| said by pnh102 :said by Karl Bode :China is listed as having 8 nodes tested from 6 ISPs with no blocks reported. Obviously this is a new project looking for additional data samples. Then it would be incorrect to conclude that the USA and Singapore are the worst offenders. I think at this point it's perfectly fair to conclude that SO FAR, it appears the USA and Singapore are the worst offenders.
That's the great thing about on-going tests, the conclusions and results can be updated as time goes on. | |
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| Re: Incomplete List said by Matt :That's the great thing about on-going tests, the conclusions and results can be updated as time goes on. Sounds a lot like the argument for Intelligent Design.  -- This isn't fair! I was only supposed to hate just ONE presidential candidate! | |
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| Re: Incomplete List said by battleop :So how do the account for a tester that may be sitting behind a company firewall? Does it account for that? What if I am sitting in a hotel that blocks this traffic? Does that mean that the ISP is falsely accused of shaping this traffic? I haven't personally run the test as all their connections are in use when I try it but you make an interesting point. What if isn't your ISP that is blocking the traffic but your ISP's provider instead? Does the test differentiate between which service provider is doing the blocking? -- This isn't fair! I was only supposed to hate just ONE presidential candidate! | |
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| Re: Worse than China said by Omega :I'd rather have bitorrent blocked than any site explaining what really happened in China in 1989. The blocking of both are equally egregious, but don't kid yourself. American ISPs are blocking/throttling a hell of a lot more than just P2P. P2P is the start of the battle for who gets to be the gatekeeper/toll attendant. | |
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| Re: Worse than China said by jc100 :When isps decide to play bad cop, they put themselves in harms way for lawsuits and FCC investigation as we see. Well, in theory, anyway. Not with this FCC and the lawsuits probably wouldn't go far, either. But your points are correct. -- "Regulatory capitalism is when companies invest in lawyers, lobbyists, and politicians, instead of plant, people, and customer service." - former FCC Chairman William Kennard (A real FCC Chairman, unlike the current Corporate Spokesperson in the job!) | |
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I usually download from popular trackers at full speed from my 2mbps cable line. (at 252 kB/s)
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