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Cablevision expands targeted advertising operations...
(old news - 03:52PM Thursday Mar 05 2009)
tags: business · cable · content · consumers · Comcast · Cablevision
Charter, Cox, Time Warner Cable, Cablevision, Comcast and Bright House Networks are collaboratively working on a new advertising system they've dubbed "Canoe." The effort will attempt to make TV advertising more interactive and user (or neighborhood) specific, based on range of factors. To store all this data, Comcast is supposedly building a 500 terabyte "data warehouse," which will be able to hold a full year of somewhat anonymous statistics gathered from digital set-tops in more than 16 million households.

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An early Comcast trial is ongoing in the Baltimore market, where a recent letter sent to customers calls this "addressable advertising," which will "increase the relevancy of the TV advertising seen by our Digital Cable subscribers." According to the e-mail, the data used to determine which ads users will see is based on "standard, widely available demographic information."

According to the New York Times, Cablevision has been testing their own targeted advertising technology for the past year and a half on 150,000 customers in Brooklyn, and will soon expand the "service" across 500,000 homes in Brooklyn, the Bronx and some New Jersey areas. According to the Times, Cablevision's system will be more specific than Comcast's neighborhood-based approach, targeting customers with ads based their "income, ethnicity, gender or whether the homeowner has children or pets." The data is obtained via Experian.

As you might expect, this foray into a brave new advertising world has privacy and consumer advocates (and probably lawyers) watching these developments carefully, despite assurances from cable carriers that all data is anonymous. Transparency could be an issue: Cablevision tells the Times that customers aren't being alerted specifically that they're now being advertised to based on their income, skin color and/or dog's nutritional needs, though the Cablevision privacy policy does mention it. Sort of:
We may use anonymized or aggregated information to improve our systems and to improve the content that subscribers receive and their service experience (for example, to measure viewership of channels, TV shows and commercials). We may also use anonymized information to provide targeted content for our services.
The broadband behavioral advertising business blew up in carriers' faces because they didn't clearly inform customers about what was happening. That led to a Congressional and media firestorm, despite the fact that ISPs had been selling user browsing (clickstream) data for years. That sort of backlash could happen here, too, should a lawmaker get a bee in their bonnet about the issue when they finally discover it -- several years from now.

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S_engineer

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Localized marketing or ethnic market profiling...

I can hear the lawyers purring!
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Re: Localized marketing or ethnic market profiling...

Yet another reason to cut the cable...
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Eat Me

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Re: Localized marketing or ethnic market profiling...

Or get a Tivo/other DVR.
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Re: Localized marketing or ethnic market profiling...

Naw, cutting the cable is much better, cheaper, and doesn't enrich sleazy cable operators coffers.
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said by Eat Me See Profile :

Or get a Tivo/other DVR.
Tivo squawks your viewing habits back to headquarters.

en102
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Re: Localized marketing or ethnic market profiling...

Satellite (I never plugged it into a phone line) or OTA digital is the way to get rid of that problem.

I suspect FiOS and AT&T also resell viewer info stats.
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Re: Localized marketing or ethnic market profiling...

said by en102 See Profile :

I suspect FiOS Verizon and AT&T also resell viewer info stats.
Fixed it for you (maybe should've changed it to "FiOS" and "Uverse"; but I think you get the idea!)

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said by RadioDoc See Profile :

Yet another reason to cut the cable...
yea internet downloading FTW

NO AD"S (as they are blocked via ad filter) TV rips are ad free also
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said by S_engineer See Profile :

I can hear the lawyers purring!
HMMMM making assumptions about ppls ethnicity, gender, etc. based on geographic location. With all the gentrification going on throughout all the major cities in the US this should be interesting.
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Re: Localized marketing or ethnic market profiling...

said by NYC Girl See Profile :

HMMMM making assumptions about ppls ethnicity, gender, etc. based on geographic location. With all the gentrification going on throughout all the major cities in the US this should be interesting.
Caribbean fast food and bail bond ads in million dollar condos filled with WASPs wearing Brooks Brothers.
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said by NYC Girl See Profile :

HMMMM making assumptions about ppls ethnicity, gender, etc. based on geographic location.
Geographic location or actual data collected by a credit agency?
The data is obtained via Experian.

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Right. Like any business that has any clue on marketing doesn't already target their services based on location, ethical makeup of a region, or income levels.

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said by S_engineer See Profile :

I can hear the lawyers purring!
I had fun with it. Left it on Lifetime all day when gone. Lifetime was on all night when asleep. My cat like it.

Yes, they target you. Never saw so many commercials for women in my life.

My girlfriend, attends FSU in Tallahasse (I'm 15 years older than her), thought it was funny. She didn't know and said, "You watch Lifetime?" "No, my cat loves it and the targeted advertising loves it too."

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Cool

More Viagra and Extendz ads for those household with old people over 50.

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said by ninjatutle See Profile :

More Viagra and Extendz ads for those household with old people over 50.
Hey I am in that class, and don't need viagra or extendz.... don't be so mean
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And more FBI copyright infringement warning advertisments for you since you seem to care so much.

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Does it matter, if you have a DVR ??

They can tailor the ads all they want. But like the age old question "Does a tree falling in the forest make a sound if no one hears it?" - does a tailored ad mean anything if no one sees it? Because I see almost no ads on TV as I watch 90% of the shows thru DVR time delay where I fast forward thru all commercials.
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Re: Does it matter, if you have a DVR ??

said by GOLFnSUN See Profile :

Because I see almost no ads on TV as I watch 90% of the shows thru DVR time delay where I fast forward thru all commercials.
I'm actually surprised to see you say that TK, it's nice to see you aren't entirely anti-piracy in the sense that commericals are part of the way you pay for tv shows, and you're bypassing that...

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Re: Does it matter, if you have a DVR ??

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said by GOLFnSUN See Profile :

Because I see almost no ads on TV as I watch 90% of the shows thru DVR time delay where I fast forward thru all commercials.
I'm actually surprised to see you say that TK, it's nice to see you aren't entirely anti-piracy in the sense that commericals are part of the way you pay for tv shows, and you're bypassing that...
He's a pirate just like the rest of us
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Re: Does it matter, if you have a DVR ??

said by hopeflicker See Profile :

said by james See Profile :

said by GOLFnSUN See Profile :

Because I see almost no ads on TV as I watch 90% of the shows thru DVR time delay where I fast forward thru all commercials.
I'm actually surprised to see you say that TK, it's nice to see you aren't entirely anti-piracy in the sense that commericals are part of the way you pay for tv shows, and you're bypassing that...
He's a pirate just like the rest of us
I'll answer the trolling comment because fast forwarding thru commercials isn't illegal like copyright infringement. It will only become illegal if they block fast forwarding in the DVR and you hack the DVR to change that.
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Re: Does it matter, if you have a DVR ??

said by GOLFnSUN See Profile :

I'll answer the trolling comment because fast forwarding thru commercials isn't illegal like copyright infringement. It will only become illegal if they block fast forwarding in the DVR and you hack the DVR to change that.
But you are taking (stealing) money away from networks when you FF.

FF=downloading pirated material
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Re: Does it matter, if you have a DVR ??

said by hopeflicker See Profile :

But you are taking (stealing) money away from networks when you FF.

FF=downloading pirated material
How do you figure? When companies buy advertising time from networks they have NO GUARANTEE anyone will see their ad.

Sure the networks will say "we have x number of viewers" but that in it's self is just an educated guess based on a small sample of "Nielsen homes".

I am not in anyway bound by any agreement implied or otherwise to view any commercial on TV.

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Re: Does it matter, if you have a DVR ??

said by b10010011 See Profile :

said by hopeflicker See Profile :

But you are taking (stealing) money away from networks when you FF.

FF=downloading pirated material
How do you figure?
I dont,I am merely pointing out the hypocrisy

Some say downloading a mp3 file is wrong and that you should be charged with "theft". These are the same people that copied music from the radio via cassette tape in the 80s or those that FF through commercials on their DVR.
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Re: Does it matter, if you have a DVR ??

said by hopeflicker See Profile :

said by b10010011 See Profile :

said by hopeflicker See Profile :

But you are taking (stealing) money away from networks when you FF.

FF=downloading pirated material
How do you figure?
I dont,I am merely pointing out the hypocrisy

Some say downloading a mp3 file is wrong and that you should be charged with "theft". These are the same people that copied music from the radio via cassette tape in the 80s or those that FF through commercials on their DVR.
The only hypocrisy you are pointing out is your own.

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said by hopeflicker See Profile :

But you are taking (stealing) money away from networks when you FF.
I never understood that logic. When you pay for cable you are paying to watch the commercials. As far as I am concerned that entitles you to fast forward and/or skip watching commercials is perfectly acceptable.
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said by GOLFnSUN See Profile :

fast forwarding thru commercials isn't illegal like copyright infringement.
I'm not talking about the law though, the law was only put in place because of lobbyists, so the law isn't a good indicator of what is and isn't ethical, even though it could very well be ethically "right".

Not watching commercials is the same thing, ethically. It's bypassing one of the revenue streams of the producer of the media, even though it may or may not actually deprive them of any money in the end.

said by b10010011 See Profile :

I am not in anyway bound by any agreement implied or otherwise to view any commercial on TV.
And I'm not bound by any agreement implied or otherwise to not download pirated material for my private use. Sure if I upload or distribute the material you have an argument that I'm bound by such an agreement, but not for downloading.

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said by GOLFnSUN See Profile :

I'll answer the trolling comment because fast forwarding thru commercials isn't illegal like copyright infringement. It will only become illegal if they block fast forwarding in the DVR and you hack the DVR to change that.
Then, for you, the ethics of an issue is wholly based on it's legality.

So then if a law was written, illegalizing your existence, you'd cheerfully off yourself to maintain your ethical standards.

That's it then?

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markofmayhem

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Re: Does it matter, if you have a DVR ??

So you are implying it is unethical to skip commercials during a TV show? Are you advocating that receiving our ethics from corporate revenue models is more humane than from laws? I didn't realize pirating MP3's had become a quasi-fascist political movement. This whole time I thought it was just people who were either kleptomaniacs, didn't want to pay money, or those who legitimately "try before buy". I much prefer our laws to be based on democratic representation and for those laws to bind society upon an ethic standard (that's what laws are for) than to have said ethics determined from anonymous individuals within the corporate structure. As such, I can not see the link between knowingly engaging in the acquirement of stolen property to fast forwarding commercials on a legally acquired piece of property.

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Re: Does it matter, if you have a DVR ??

said by markofmayhem See Profile :

So you are implying it is unethical to skip commercials during a TV show?
Well, stealing is stealing according to most people.

If i steal 10 cents out of a cash register it is equivalent to FF through commercials or downloading the new Watchman movie on torrents or NG's. You are taking something that isnt yours. What do these goodie goodies like to trout? oh yes, if no one watched commercials then there wouldnt be any TV. But it appears some think it's quite alright to steal money from the networks because it's not a law.

And yes, I reap the fruits of the internet as well. I am only pointing out how ridiculous arguments get.
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said by james See Profile :

said by GOLFnSUN See Profile :

Because I see almost no ads on TV as I watch 90% of the shows thru DVR time delay where I fast forward thru all commercials.
I'm actually surprised to see you say that TK, it's nice to see you aren't entirely anti-piracy in the sense that commericals are part of the way you pay for tv shows, and you're bypassing that...
It's pretty easy: he's the classic hypocrite, they advocate anything as long as it does not apply to themselves.
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Waaaa waaaa waaaa. You just want what you want and don't care to factor in what is right or true. Your perspectives are un-American, and deserve far more ridicule than I'm prepared to pile on them.
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said by james See Profile :

I'm actually surprised to see you say that TK, it's nice to see you aren't entirely anti-piracy in the sense that commericals are part of the way you pay for tv shows, and you're bypassing that...
I've learned, through years of OTA broadcasting, and newspaper and magazine reading, how to "tune out" the ads. Without technical assistance. The whole point of targeted ads is to try and overcome the capacity of people to "tune out" the ads at a non-technical level. The ad companies are just trying to find a way to grab the eyeballs.

Once in a while a commercial comes along which breaks through the non-technical barriers we raise; but that is so unpredictable. The ad people are hoping that "relevant" ads will more likely sink in than the current "scattershot" mode.

P.S. Anybody remember "Joe Isuzu"? The ads were memorable, even entertaining. But I never felt compelled to actually buy one.
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Probably not, until they disable fast forwarding through the ads the cable company is selling.
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Re: Does it matter, if you have a DVR ??

said by RadioDoc See Profile :

Probably not, until they disable fast forwarding through the ads the cable company is selling.
They've already disabled fast forwarding through ads and previews on many legally purchased DVD's.

Disabling ad fast forwarding on cable is just the next logical step.
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Re: Does it matter, if you have a DVR ??

Considering how much money the cable companies make inserting ads, you can bet that anything they do will include that too.
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We already are seeing this on Verizon FIOS TV from some local advertisers. The voice over states "since you are in an upscale neighborhood on a new cable system...." meaning the FIOS network.

This may just be the media buyers targeting certain systems, though.
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Have you seen the cable on screen guide F*** ad's on each page and not even that it does not look good in HD.

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Not the same

While all the cable operators listed seek to target ads, the privacy issue is where the data used to target the ads comes from.

Cablevision is using the same information that junk mail companies use, from Experian.

Comcast is building a data warehouse to gather data from their set-tops.

What is wrong with this article is that it takes issue with the Cablevision privacy policy, which states how information can be gathered, yet Cablevision is not using that information to determine who gets which ads!

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targeted ad's..

Um So what.
Do people really not understand this is what marketing is all about?
And what drives the "free" content on the internet.
Every Business (with half a brain) attempts to target the customers that will listen to a given pitch.
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Targeted Cable Ads Based On Income, Ethnicity, Or Gender

Who knew there was a gender detector built into that set top box!

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sjr

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Will skew results

I am going to assume people that do like myself will skew the results. As I leave the cable box on 24/7 and most of the time it is left on a channel I do not watch much but it left on because of 2-3 shows I record via the HD PVR device I use (since the ir blaster it has does not work with my cable box I have to have the box on the channel I want to record - digital and HD channels only - tv tuner gets the cable analog and QAM channels fine without the box). I just leave the box on the channel of the next show I am going to record even if it is a couple days out. For example I am going to record Battlestar Galactica on Friday night from the Sci-FiHD channel but from last night when I turned it to that channel until whenever I turn it next, probably Saturday, that is the only show I was going to watch off of Sci-Fi. Though I do suppose the channels I leave the box on are for the channels I do watch sometimes at least.

But I assume there are many people that never turn off their cable box either, I guess that is where all those infomercials get their ratings from.
delltechkid

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Anonymous?

If they're getting credit reporting data and matching it up with set top boxes, how exactly is that anonymous?
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Neighborhood or user. Heh.

That's funny since I live in a more redneck/lunatic fast driver part of metro atlanta. The people who have internet have dsl, mine is 20 megs cable.

Alot of my stuff is pretty automated, including my robotic vacuum, automated lights, etc. Generally speaking I'm Star Trek when compared to the neighborhood.

Alot of people around are far more interested in fast cars, booze, etc. (Can't say women because I agree with the urge)

Can't wait for the tons of driver insurance and booze ads if it's neighborhood specific

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oh wait wh yignore that a linked article states verizon will

Come on I know this is a hate cable love verizon website but why leave out that verizon is working to do it also ?

"But a competitor of Visible World, Invidi, is conducting a test with the cable company Comcast and will soon work with Verizon. It uses data from remote controls to follow what a person is watching, then matches that with ratings information and program guides to infer that person’s gender and age. It can use census data or data sources like Experian for further refining. Then, it shows an appropriate commercial"

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More invasions of privacy

How would a cable company know whether or not I have a pet, what food it likes, or what color my skin is?

It would seem that the type of information needed to pull this sort of targeted advert system off represents a clear invasion of my privacy.

Apart from billing purposes, what business does my cable operator have acquiring financial data on me? Likewise my personal habits are simply none of their damn business. Where is the opt-out option here? Are they saying I have no right to not be included in their scheme? Also, if we are already PAYING for the content, why is there advertising on cable at all?

I see advertising as a form of brain washing. It is a painful stream of lies and nonsense which is better and healthier not viewed or read. I see absolutely no ads on the net at all, and record all of my TV shows so I can FF through the ads. But this sort of data profiling disturbs me greatly, and should not be legal.

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So...

... because I am white, Male, watch American Chopper and adult PPV...
I should expect *more* Harley, Trojan, and Enzyte ads?

I get those on the TV already.
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Re: So...

So... you can call in and tell them the system is up and running

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said by dadkins See Profile :

... because I am white, Male, watch American Chopper and adult PPV...
I should expect *more* Harley, Trojan, and Enzyte ads?

I get those on the TV already.
Don't forget Viagara, Cialis, Levitra.

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Yep we show google ads - if ya let us...(got to feed those server coffee beans or they get cranky)...

1) ads are NOT based on any information that we get from YOU. Ads are based on the subject matter on our site. If you are on the cable page -- a cable ad might appear.

2) We are upfront about what we do

3) You can turn off the ads on our site - dslr does track our users or target them -

You can come here - pay a one time membership -- and not look at a single ad ever ... if you choose to

oranges to apples...

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We have your very best interest at heart .... really we do..

"The data is obtained via Experian."

About Experian
Experian® is a global leader in providing information, analytical tools and marketing services to organizations and consumers to help manage the risk and reward of commercial and financial decisions. Using our comprehensive understanding of individuals, markets and economies, we help organizations find, develop and manage customer relationships to make their businesses more profitable.

Experian promotes greater financial health and opportunity among consumers by enabling them to understand, manage and protect their personal information, helping them control financial aspects of key life events, and make the most advantageous financial and purchasing decisions."


Its all over the Experian site - they have a sweet little deal here - they promote themselves as the care takers of our security and personal information while at the same time selling the very information they are supposedly "protecting" ( as long as they err... cough...remove the identifying information).

I bet the average answer you get when you ask someone what the credit agency does -- they will say -- the protect blah blah - and they check -- blah blah ---

The answer is not going to come back " they aggregate information and make a zillion dollars off of what they collect". It seems to me the real value of the credit reporting agencies is NOT what their stated purpose is -- but the "side" business which is the real money maker for them.

And wow - talk about conflict of interest - just try to correct something on your credit report -- you have to give even more personal information(translated - stuff they can sell)... but hey ... who cares...right? Cause all of these businesses really have your best interest at heart..

I will give them this much "credit" though -- they are upfront about it on their site... you just have to read it.
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Re: We have your very best interest at heart .... really we do..

So how does the "opt out" work in these cases? All 3 credit agencies have an "opt out" to, apparently, remove "yourself" from offers, mailing lists, telemarketing, etc. Does this "opt out" also apply to the above information? Technically, if I "opt out", all of my information is supposed to be removed from 3rd party sources. Is it only the "identifying" information? So my habits, faults, and wants as tracked by a credit agency is still, even though I jumped through the hoops to remove it, being sold to third parties just with a big black Sharpie across my name? My address is still on there, no? Perhaps not my street number, but my road, zip, city and state are there.

No, don't like it. It should stay at "neighborhood" level.

AllenC

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targeted ads

Another really stupid idea. A really good idea would be to engage in a dialog with the customer. I don't mind ads, but I do mind getting force fed over and over ads for things I will never buy. If I could sign up for ads that I want for things I would buy I might volunteer information.

I get the feeling that some advertisers want to force me to buy their stuff
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Re: targeted ads

said by AllenC :

Another really stupid idea. A really good idea would be to engage in a dialog with the customer. I don't mind ads, but I do mind getting force fed over and over ads for things I will never buy. If I could sign up for ads that I want for things I would buy I might volunteer information.

I get the feeling that some advertisers want to force me to buy their stuff
Car commercials are my pet peeve...

It seems like 90% of the ads are for cars. And they're all the same. Zooming cars, booming music, really annoying.

The economy is in the toilet, and the car companies are lining up at the trough for bailout money.

People are losing their jobs, and their homes, and have no money- yet the car companies think if they advertise more it's going to help them sell cars somehow.

One might think that if they stopped all advertising for a couple of months, and reinvested that money in their companies it would do a hell of lot more good.
tmc8080

join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY

Re: targeted ads

said by jazzlady See Profile :

said by AllenC :

Another really stupid idea. A really good idea would be to engage in a dialog with the customer. I don't mind ads, but I do mind getting force fed over and over ads for things I will never buy. If I could sign up for ads that I want for things I would buy I might volunteer information.

I get the feeling that some advertisers want to force me to buy their stuff
Car commercials are my pet peeve...

It seems like 90% of the ads are for cars. And they're all the same. Zooming cars, booming music, really annoying.

The economy is in the toilet, and the car companies are lining up at the trough for bailout money.

People are losing their jobs, and their homes, and have no money- yet the car companies think if they advertise more it's going to help them sell cars somehow.

One might think that if they stopped all advertising for a couple of months, and reinvested that money in their companies it would do a hell of lot more good.
I've always thought that companies which HEAVILY advertise (unless they're sponsoring a tv series, etc) have an IMAGE/CONSUMER CONFIDENCE PROBLEM, (ie nobody wants to buy their products). You see this with industries such as Insurance, Banks, Healthcare, Oil companies, etc. Back in the 1980's the mantra was one up the competition (products like toys & breakfast cereal).. These days it's product spin & image management-- oh, and to pry the cash from your cold, dead.. no job hands. The wool they try to pull over your eyes in the media (owned by fewer, & fewer companies, btw) puts the general public asleep, but then when there are problems... We sold weapons to who? The banks committed how much fraud? etc.. Your *most trusted media agencies kept feeding on that government sponsored brainwashing* Now millions of people are screwed this time, and you keep watching your tv tube with the same brand loyalty as before. Just look at their slogans:

CNN, the most trusted news?!? Really? They all got the election of 2000 right, didn't they? Or how's about the disclaimers they had to have after the fiasco in their Financial News reporting of the CNN-FN network channel they used to have?! They've rebuilt your trust after that fiasco too. They must have, they still have James Earl Jones voice pop up every once in a blue moon, don't they? *WAIT* don't leave us! We're adding all sorts of interactivity.. you can send in pictures & video fresh from your Katrina devistated home, your lost job, or your foreclosed house, or better yet.. that 500 person queue for 1 job opening!! All so you can pay the cable company that $50 subscription fee!! After all, CNN doesn't want to lay off their employees, right? When a corporate media giant such as CNN uses the word trust so many times without defining the word.. they render it's meaning ineffective.

What other voices did J.E.J do? Verizon, Star Wars, Hmmm..

They want to target ad something.. try bittorrent rss feed sponsorship. Otherwise, tv for the most part isn't worth watching. Life is too short for commercials (15-20 minutes of each hour). Broadcast TV & cable-tv as a one-size fits all is going the way of the blood soaked tampons they once called newspapers.

To all the neigh sayers... remember Napster p2p? well, this time around, remember BITTORRENT p2p. The cable-tv companies and broadcasters certainly will by 2010 if they don't evolve their revenue models & put back some diversity in ownership. These days being so big isn't as good an idea as before.
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