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Full Internet over your TV isn't a possibility ... yet
(old news - 12:29PM Saturday Mar 22 2008)
tags: Video · business · alternatives · cable
We’re gradually starting to see a shift towards the ability of television viewers to connect to their PCs and combine television and Internet into one experience. The “new and improved” Apple TV was released this year. TiVo has just partnered to bring YouTube to your television. And television makers are starting to implement jacks that connect the television directly to your computer. The idea is that we will ultimately have a television that allows you full web capacity without requiring set-top boxes.

Despite these advances, television makers and cable companies say that they aren’t threatened by the current market. Limitations on computing power for video streams and the capacity to provide big screen HD video hinder the service from being fully realized in the near future. Additionally, it is unclear how Internet navigation over a television set will work (whether there will be new remotes, wireless keyboards or some other alternative altogether). Until these issues are resolved, the cable companies feel that they can rest easy.

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NJxxxJon
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USB Is good.

My XP-Usb stuff works with vista and On my 2nd monitor I could watch VCR Tapes...haha....I just want a 50 dollar box instead of my VCR to my computer...
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They aren't afraid because....

They aim to take it out in a massive pre-emptive strike to make sure it doesn't arise to the level of "real" competition.

Traffic shapping, Throttling, Caps, per byte charges, anyone...? These weapons will all be targeted on American consumers to prevent them from using their Broadband to get good video services from the Internet, and keep the slavesumers locked into paying for their PayTV and VOD services.
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John Galt
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Re: They aren't afraid because....

said by KrK See Profile :

They aim to take it out in a massive pre-emptive strike to make sure it doesn't arise to the level of "real" competition.
And this is why I can't have my flying car...due to the conspiracy of the tire and rubber industry to keep me rolling on the ground.
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Re: They aren't afraid because....

said by John Galt See Profile :

said by KrK See Profile :

They aim to take it out in a massive pre-emptive strike to make sure it doesn't arise to the level of "real" competition.
And this is why I can't have my flying car...due to the conspiracy of the tire and rubber industry to keep me rolling on the ground.
Actually, i think KrK is correct on this on. The markup on bandwidth, as reported from a news article here, is around 1300%. Yet we still have caps, and sandive, and ect...

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Oh no, cable and phone companies would NEVER do anything anti-competitive, would they? Of course not, that would be wrong.

And there's no flying cars because the FAA rightfully keeps morons who can't even drive well on the ground from being able to fly, and the small civil air market keeps prices exclusively high.
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said by KrK See Profile :

. . . and keep the slavesumers locked into paying for their PayTV and VOD services.
You think that the content providers that lock the cable/DBS companies into their deals won't charge the "slavesumers" for that content? Keep on dreaming.

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Re: They aren't afraid because....

You're missing the point. They would still get their money... the difference is that broadband allows the potential for third party services via the net taking off. Content providers would still get paid..... however, Cable companies (and new Telco offerings like Uverse and FIOS) would not be happy with the idea of consumers being able to cut them out of the picture and go with content delivered via the net...

... so they will control the broadband usage to make sure consumers CAN'T go to third parties. Or at least, can't for any kind of reasonable price, anyway.
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They already have remotes, wireless keyboards ...

The things holding it back are the content providers in concert with the hardware industry and Microsoft locking our PC's down so that it's difficult to enjoy media.

DRM, HDMI, and HDCP are holding us back along with all the other lame content protection schemes that have failed.
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March 22nd, @01:20PM

Link to TV PC jacks may not work - try this one

And television makers are starting to implement jacks
If you had trouble linking to the above link, try this:
»www.siliconvalley.com/news/ci_86···ced=true
"An Internet connection gives consumers the opportunity to define the experience they want on their TVs," said Randy Waynick, senior vice president of marketing for Sony Electronics, which has signed deals to bring content from CBS Interactive, Yahoo, Sports Illustrated and others to its Web-enabled Bravia sets. "This is TV at your schedule."
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March 22nd, @01:22PM

Sony Bravia is the set with a web enabled capability ....

... with this $300 add-on:

»www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/sto···Features

RadioDoc
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Re: Link to TV PC jacks may not work - try this one

Bah. My over-a-year-old 42" Toshiba LCD has an Ethernet port and does home networking (music and photos), email, gets a TV Guide and a few other things I forget through it. It's a very short walk from here to a web browser and video player.
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Can't wait

Commercial free T.V : )

dvd536
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Re: Can't wait

said by brianiscool See Profile :

Commercial free T.V : )
HBO, skinemax, showtime, starz.
commercial free network tv will NEVER happen.
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Cable Companies Feel Safe ???!!!

"Additionally, it is unclear how Internet navigation over a television set will work (whether there will be new remotes, wireless keyboards or some other alternative altogether). Until these issues are resolved, the cable companies feel that they can rest easy."



That's almost funny ! They feel safe because nobody has done an interface device yet??? I can't beleive they said that. Like it or not, this whole home entertainment industry is rushing to a computer/TV/'net meld that will bring astounding flexibility.

Joe

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Re: Cable Companies Feel Safe ???!!!

I guess they've never heard of WebTV/MSNTV or the myriad of these devices inhabiting tens of thousands of hotels rooms for well over a decade now.
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i know what this is

For some reason this reminds me of WebTv. Anyone remember that?

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March 22nd, @03:03PM

Re: i know what this is

Remember it? It is still alive and has a broadband option. As I posted above, the same tech is in tens of thousands of hotel rooms right now.
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Re: i know what this is

I guess I've been under a rock.

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said by DivineDark See Profile :

For some reason this reminds me of WebTv. Anyone remember that?
Was fun(and easy) to knock webtv'ers off irc
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alchav

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The Electronic Industry and PC Industry are Clueless!

No one except for maybe Tivo and AppleTV, have any idea where the PC and TV Market is going. There are a few Electronic Industries like Buffalo, that are sitting on the edge of a Gold Mine waiting to explode. The TV Industry and the Cable Companies shouldn't worry about the PC, they should concentrate on just making a better Product. The marriage between PC and TV will happen with a good solid interface with the Electronic Industry.

odreian615

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20 more years maybe in the US

We don't have the speed or BB penetration hell also most consumers move to slow to adapt new technology
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March 22nd, @04:50PM

I'm not afraid

I've got my old 1.4ghz AMD powered PC with a 32mb ATI AIW card connected to my new Samsung 56" DLP HL-T5689S and it works great! I watch quite a bit of tv programming and also movies via Netflix. The picture isn't DVD quality but its better or equal to VHS. Fine with me for now, for the convenience. I expect things to get better in time. Oh, I also have a wireless keyboard with built in mouse/joy stick so I can sit on the couch and enjoy.
tmc8080

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yes, and no

Full integration isn't quite there yet, but as we see everything going digital.. those bits aren't just going to remain safely in the padded walls of the content holders.
To that end, advertising revenue will become a problem when the advertisers realize they're not getting the eyeballs they think they're getting. Meanwhile rates for ads on TV skyrocket. TV's with fully integrated DVR capability will eventually happen as the methods for equipment talking to one another become standardized... Many TV's can't talk to a cable box & function properly to do dvr functions (for the most part) without a proprietary cable card or cable box. Which leaves the other possibility of totally bypassing the cable and tv broadcasters altogether and serving up content via 802.11n wireless from the PC server or a Home MEDIA box (essentially networked hard drives). Another segment of the "market" is satisfied to watch TV shows, Movies & media on Laptop/Desktops, Cell Phones and Portable Media Players/Tablet UMPCs. The trend is not in their favor, as a new generation won't be loyal tv viewers. Part of this fallout of the economy also is tanking sales of new TV's. Bandwidth to serve up video is coming to the masses slowly, but is cumulative.
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March 25th, @12:47PM

How long before the public gets a clue?

I've had my tv's attached to a pc for over eight years now.
I dont see why its such a hard thing to comprehend that you do not need any specialized box in order to combine a TV with the internet, its not like an HTPC is a new concept as the technology has been available for years. I am typing this post on a 52" LCD HDTV from the comfort of my couch, and I laugh when I think of all the poor souls still using those tiny little monitors on a desk.

The system I have will push anything I download from alt.binaries.hdtv (currently over 8 million posts) or one of the many other locations just fine, displaying it in full screen 16:9 1080i HD quality that puts the picture from my comcast HD DVR to shame, and without a single commercial.
It's not the TV makers and ISP's that need to worry, it's the broadcast networks and cable/sat TV providers that are shaking in their shoes right now. At this point in time, the internet is the equivlent of a DVR with unlimited capacity, just about anything that is worth watching has been archived ready for you to access at your convenience. Much of the content is available within minutes of it being broadcast on the air. The trend for ISP's to place limits on capacity is a direct and greedy attack on the advancement of this technology, and we should make every attempt to prevent it from occurring.

What is even more appalling is that the companies responsible for integration boxes like apple tv and the new Tivo rip-off are allowed to take advantage of the clueless, and that articles like this actually exist.
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