T-Mobile Lights Up More Cities With HSPA+ Company says they're offering '4G speeds' (not to be confused with 4G) Tipped by Gbcue 
According to an announcement by T-Mobile, the company has expanded the availability of their faster HSPA+ wireless broadband upgrades. The faster service is theoretically capable of speeds up to 21 Mbps, though of course users in real-world settings are seeing substantially less. Still, T-Mobile's confident enough in the speeds they're delivering to claim they're now offering "4G speeds" in their press release, even though the technology they're using isn't 4G. The company's release notes expansion in a number of markets, many of them in the northeast: ...T-Mobile announces the further build-out and widespread availability - right now - of its super-fast network in adjoining regions, including Upstate New York (Albany, Buffalo, Rochester and Syracuse), Connecticut (Hartford, New Haven, Milford and Stamford) and Providence, R.I. Already live in Philadelphia, as well the Washington, D.C. suburbs, T-Mobile's HSPA+ network will expand into Boston and Washington, D.C. in the coming weeks, further enhancing the Northeast corridor with 4G speeds. In addition, customers in Memphis, Tenn., and Las Vegas, also now can stay connected on T-Mobile's high-speed mobile broadband network. According to T-Mobile, their HSPA+ network now covers more than 30 million users, and the company plans to deliver "4G speeds" to roughly 185 million people before the end of the year. As for actual T-Mobile 4G service, the company is still weighing its options.
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| | | | said by tmc8080:too little, too late, too expensive. t-mobile. Try again. | |
| | | | said by tmc8080:too little, too late, too expensive. t-mobile. too expensive? what have you been smoking Tmobile has always usually been the cheapest carrier in the US market.
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| | Competition is good T-Mobile will really put pressure on the bigger guys to get going on higher speeds. Good to see them being aggressive about it.
T-mobile speeds...
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Clearwire/Sprint speeds...
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1 edit | Re: Competition is good It should also put more pressure on crap DSL providers like Frontier. At the moment, Frontier can get away with charging $40+/mo for 768K down in their home market (Rochester). Time Warner charges $45+/mo for their Internet access, too - yay collusion.
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| | | | | Re: Competition is good Yeah, I'm on TWC now and have WiMAX coming this summer. I can see a WiMAX site out my window on top of another condo building 2 blocks away - LOS and above trees! Will give WiMAX a try with EVO and may get rid of cable modem. I only need 4Mbps for streaming video (Netflix/Hulu), don't really have a need for much more than that but it will need to be consistent.
TWC may be losing a customer. The cable companies clearly see this coming, which is why some of the major ones want to resell WiMAX. | |
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Brooklyn, NY | Oh, PLEAHHHSe, stop with this nonsensical BS you keep spreading about nonexisting WiMax speeds and coverage - this is my speed TODAY, in the middle of NYC: 
Stop linking BS results.
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| | | | | Re: Competition is good said by kamm:Oh, PLEAHHHSe, stop with this nonsensical BS you keep spreading about nonexisting WiMax speeds and coverage - this is my speed TODAY, in the middle of NYC: Stop linking BS results. That's not a possible speed unless your using a data connect card.
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Brooklyn, NY | Re: Competition is good said by iLive4Fusion:said by kamm:Oh, PLEAHHHSe, stop with this nonsensical BS you keep spreading about nonexisting WiMax speeds and coverage - this is my speed TODAY, in the middle of NYC: Stop linking BS results. That's not a possible speed unless your using a data connect card. Ehh?
ROFLMAO... you are aware that most smartphones are WAAAY ahead of the iPhone, right?
FYI most Android phones are HSPA+ capable, up ~20Mb/s - soemthing that's unheard of in Apple['s world, I know. 
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| | | | | | | Re: Competition is good said by kamm:Ehh? ROFLMAO... you are aware that most smartphones are WAAAY ahead of the iPhone, right? FYI most Android phones are HSPA+ capable, up ~20Mb/s - soemthing that's unheard of in Apple['s world, I know. What phone's are? My Nexus One isn't.. Most are only up to 7.2.. If your using Android use the speedtest.net app.
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Brooklyn, NY | Re: Competition is good said by iLive4Fusion:said by kamm:Ehh? ROFLMAO... you are aware that most smartphones are WAAAY ahead of the iPhone, right? FYI most Android phones are HSPA+ capable, up ~20Mb/s - soemthing that's unheard of in Apple['s world, I know. What phone's are? My Nexus One isn't.. Most are only up to 7.2.. If your using Android use the speedtest.net app. This is comedy golden...
You don't have the slightest clue about HSPA, right? 
Read up on it: »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Speed···t_Access
FYI your N1 is a HSPA+ phone, along with every other Snapdragon-based handset... 
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1 edit | Re: Competition is good said by kamm:said by iLive4Fusion:said by kamm:Ehh? ROFLMAO... you are aware that most smartphones are WAAAY ahead of the iPhone, right? FYI most Android phones are HSPA+ capable, up ~20Mb/s - soemthing that's unheard of in Apple['s world, I know. What phone's are? My Nexus One isn't.. Most are only up to 7.2.. If your using Android use the speedtest.net app. This is comedy golden... You don't have the slightest clue about HSPA, right? Read up on it: » en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Speed···t_AccessFYI your N1 is a HSPA+ phone, along with every other Snapdragon-based handset... Oh god. You have no clue about HSPA do you? The Nexus one is an HSPA 7.2 Phone. You must fail to realize the differences between HSPA+ and HSPA. I don't think there is a phone for T-Mobile that is capable of speed's higher than HSPA 7.2. BTW. I do know my stuff about cellular tech's. And citing Wiki show's how much you know.
And maybe before practically calling me an idiot, you should review the spec's and info of thing's first.
»www.google.com/phone/static/en_U···ecs.html
Nexus one is ONLY capable of HSDPA 7.2 and HSUPA 2mbps.
The speedtest your using is very inaccurate and you need to use an actual APP.
BTW. There are several speed standard of HSPA all the way from 7.2 to 42. And Snapdragon has nothing to do with network speed's, network speed's have to do with the internal chipset. | |
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3 edits | Re: Competition is good said by iLive4Fusion: Oh god. You have no clue about HSPA do you? The Nexus one is an HSPA 7.2 Phone. You must fail to realize the differences between HSPA+ and HSPA. I don't think there is a phone for T-Mobile that is capable of speed's higher than HSPA 7.2. BTW. I do know my stuff about cellular tech's.
Ahahahahaha... oh yesss, you know "your stuff about cellular tech\'s" (sic!) Apparently your stuff equals almost nothing. HSPA+ is HSPA with a speed upgrade (via MIMO) while, as all HSxA standards, remaining backward compatible - in other words you have absolutely zero clue about your OWN PHONE, pal. quote:
And citing Wiki show's how much you know.
Nope, it shows where you should start your readings because you obviously don't know anything about cellular standards at ALL. quote:
And maybe before practically calling me an idiot, you should review the spec's and info of thing's first.
»www.google.com/phone/static/en_U···ecs.html
Nexus one is ONLY capable of HSDPA 7.2 and HSUPA 2mbps.
God...
...you are truly priceless!
Since you are unable to read my link here's a nugget for you: HSDPA + HSUPA = HSPA standard (of which a faster and upgraded version is called HSPA+ in case you are confused.)
And no, speed differences are not standalone standards.
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The speedtest your using is very inaccurate and you need to use an actual APP.
WTF?
Says who?
Is this something that comes from your iKnowledge - "there's an app for that"?
Dude, you are embarrassing yourself pretty badly already, why don't you just stop posting your nonsense and read about these things first?
The mobilespeedtest.com site I'm using is rather more accurate than any retarded app - because it measures one thing and one thing only: X MB under Y seconds. That's it. No influence by local CPU or memory shortage or anything else.
Also it's been proven zillion times that all apps are WORTHLESS because no mobile network will peak up to 10+ megabit with a 500kB-1MB test.
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BTW. There are several speed standard of HSPA all the way from 7.2 to 42. And Snapdragon has nothing to do with network speed's, network speed's have to do with the internal chipset.
Snapdragon is a PLATFORM which INCLUDES THE RADIO CHIPSET...
...is there anything you fcukin know about this, seriously?
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2 edits | Since you are obviously unable to even use a search engine properly here's an original article from January:
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“And the best thing about the HSPA+ upgrade is that it’s backward compatible, so that the T-Mobile 3G-enabled device being announced this week … it’s getting faster in 2010.”
»www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wir···-855265/
About Snapdragon:
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The QSD8x50 platform consists of the QSD8250™ which supports GSM, GPRS, EDGE, HSPA networks while the QSD8650™ supports CDMA2000 1X, 1xEV-DORel 0/A/B, GSM, GPRS, EDGE and HSPA networks. Both chipsets include:
1 GHz CPU
600MHz DSP
Integrated 3G mobile broadband
Support for Wi-Fi® and Bluetooth® connectivity
Built-in seventh-generation gpsOne® engine with Standalone-GPS and Assisted-GPS modes
High-definition (720p) video decode, and multiple video codec support
High-performance 3D graphics – up to 22M triangles/sec and 133M 3D pixels/sec
High-resolution up to WXGA (1280x720) display support
12-megapixel camera support
Multiple audio codecs: (AAC+, eAAC+, AMR, FR, EFR, HR, WB-AMR, G.729a, G.711, AAC stereo encode)
Support for mobile broadcast TV (MediaFLO™, DVB-H and ISDB-T)
Support for Windows Mobile®, Android, and a number of Linux®-based operating systems
Qualcomm’s hybrid mode alternative solution
»www.qualcomm.com/products_servic···ml#specs
I hope we can conclude that you had little clue about the topic, you had absolutely no clue about your own HSPA/HSPA+ phone nor about HSPA vs HSPA+, the latter being inherently HSPA network and that you are sorry for spreading nonsense about my great results, right?
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Cellular & Wireless
3 UMTS bands (either 900/AWS/2100 MHz or 850/1900/2100 MHz)
HSDPA 7.2 Mbps
HSUPA 2 Mbps
GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
Wi-Fi (802.11b/g)
Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR
A2DP stereo Bluetooth
HSDPA 7.2mbps... There isn't a way to get the phone to use HSPA+. It's just like on CDMA, even though CDMA1x2000 is backwards capable, an IS-95B phone can't use CDMA1X data features, but it will still be able to operate on the network. Please do some followup reading on how these data technologies work before flaming me for my knowledge. And depending on the browser you use, the speed test can be further inaccurate because of data compression.
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Camden, TN | Call me interested when t-mobile actually bothers to provide ANY service in my area. | |
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kudos:8 | Re: Call me interested said by BF69:when t-mobile actually bothers to provide ANY service in my area. As it's been said a million times, T-Mobile focuses on urban areas. If you aren't there, too bad.
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Camden, TN | Re: Call me interested said by Gbcue:said by BF69:when t-mobile actually bothers to provide ANY service in my area. As it's been said a million times, T-Mobile focuses on urban areas. If you aren't there, too bad. yes too bad for them. I'll take my money elsewhere. they're obviously so successful they don't need my money ( 4th place in a 4 team race....cough..cough...ahem..4th place ) | |
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kudos:8 | Re: Call me interested said by BF69:said by Gbcue:said by BF69:when t-mobile actually bothers to provide ANY service in my area. As it's been said a million times, T-Mobile focuses on urban areas. If you aren't there, too bad. yes too bad for them. I'll take my money elsewhere. they're obviously so successful they don't need my money ( 4th place in a 4 team race....cough..cough...ahem..4th place ) Ok. db
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| | | | | | It only matters to you and I in the US that they are 4th. But TMobile has more customers globally than Verizon and ATT combined.
They have a lot of weight behind them. A lot. | |
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1 edit | Re: Call me interested said by clickwir:It only matters to you and I in the US that they are 4th. But TMobile has more customers globally than Verizon and ATT combined. They have a lot of weight behind them. A lot. Tru but I doubt they could match VZ and ATT together; even if entire DT worlwide customer base added it's probably around 200M in best case (all T-Mobile operations total at some 140-150M worldwide IIRC.)
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2 edits | said by BF69:said by Gbcue:said by BF69:when t-mobile actually bothers to provide ANY service in my area. As it's been said a million times, T-Mobile focuses on urban areas. If you aren't there, too bad. yes too bad for them. I'll take my money elsewhere. they're obviously so successful they don't need my money ( 4th place in a 4 team race....cough..cough...ahem..4th place ) I'm sure T-Mobile USA, owned by Deutsche Telekom, also owner of T-Mobile UK, NL, DE, AT, HU, PL, CZ, SL etc etc, they cry a lot about some pissed Tennessee teen stuck at 2Mb/s in the sticks...
...while providing the fastest mobile network at the lowest price for over 80% of the US population (ie metropolitan areas, 2000 US Census.)
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| | | | | said by Gbcue:said by BF69:when t-mobile actually bothers to provide ANY service in my area. As it's been said a million times, T-Mobile focuses on urban areas. If you aren't there, too bad. I live in Bartow Florida...can look out my window and see the cows justa grazin away on all that grass in the field. Not too urban here and I have full bars on my phone and can go anywhere in the house and not drop a call. Now mind you it is edge but so what. 3g will git here out in the sticks soon enough.
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Tulsa, OK | Re: Call me interested said by bobgwen: 3g will git here out in the sticks soon enough. Say "thank you Powertel!"
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| | | | | said by Gbcue:said by BF69:when t-mobile actually bothers to provide ANY service in my area. As it's been said a million times, T-Mobile focuses on urban areas. If you aren't there, too bad. Birmingham is an Urban area, speed's here top out at 1mbps, where AT&T I get around 4-6mbps.
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| | | | | | | Re: Call me interested said by kamm:Is it... Yea it is.
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| | 4G? No one provides 4G in the US or really anywhere. Clear's WiMAX is only 3.9G, significantly slower than true 4G, and T-Mobile's upgrades are considered 3.5G.
Heck, Sweden's 2 city-wide implementations of LTE are 5 times faster than what Clear provides, or what Verizon demonstrated in their LTE ad.
Even this WiMAX test network in Australia demonstrates multiple times faster speeds than what Clear achieves in the US: »forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-re···=1418240
If the FCC isn't going to force Verizon and Sprint to advertise their service as 3.9G, then T-Mobile might as well be allowed to advertise their upgrades however the heck they want. Sigh. | |
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kudos:1 | "actual 4g" Yes, because WiMax running at 8mbps is "actual 4g".
riight.
You smell that? Smells like someone actually believes Clear's marketing BS.
If Clear is selling "4g", then so is TMO.
If TMO isn't selling "4g", then neither is Clear.
Here's a hint though: neither of them is selling 4g!
But trying to criticize T-Mobile for marketing their product as 4g but not criticizing Sprint/Clear is disingenuous at best. At worst, it shows downright ignorance of the technologies at hand.
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| | | | Re: "actual 4g" Marketing and technology labels aside, the bottom line is that the carriers are pressuring each other to get higher speeds out the door. It's all good in the end.
HSPA+ is a 3.x technology that currently competes with '4G' but is at the tail end of its lifecycle. WiMAX/LTE are '4g' technologies that are not yet implemented to their potential. They cross paths for now in terms of performance but not in terms of architecture.
I do agree it's a bit misleading to call current WiMAX implementations '4G' in terms of performance. The technology is 4G but most implementations are not any different than 3.5G. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: "actual 4g" Technology wise, the current deployments of wimax are 3.9g. Still not 4g tech wise, as it doesn't reach the standards the ITU has set forth: 100mbps mobile data capability. Currently deployed wimax cannot do that even with gig-e backhaul at a distance of 100m from the tower.
Also, 802.16d/e spectral efficiency is 1/3 what is acceptable for "4g".
So if we're speaking technical - wimax and hspa+ are in the same 3g ballpark (3.75g/3.9g). If we're talking real world speeds: same thing.
There are only 2 real 4g techs.
For LTE, that's LTE Advanced.
For wimax, that's 802.16m
Both are undeployed as of today.
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| | | | | | Re: "actual 4g" Yup, that's what I meant... the so-called '4g' today is basically on the 4G path, but not fully implemented as true 4G yet.
Doesn't really matter. That path to higher performance whatever the technology is in progress. US carriers will have a harder time executing it than many other smaller global carriers as country wide cost effective high speed backhaul is the real challenge, not so much the protocol. Of course spectrum used is another challenge but backhaul is probably the greatest challenge.
If Australia is showing 25Mbps+ per user, it's simply because they are able to provide the backhaul - and maybe doing MIMO if it's that level of performance at any significant distance. Doubt they could sustain that with 50+ users sharing a site. Would not only take 1Gbps+ backhaul, would also probably need a great deal of spectrum. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: south South Carolina, too...I am so surprised that all of SC is just left to TWC. Yea, I know its not a booming metropolis, but there is definitely money to be made and their is just no competition here. TWC rules all. ATT has a small presence, but they do nothing...if someone were to really come in, invest some money, I think they could really do well here. | |
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Greer, SC | Re: south said by Koil:South Carolina, too...I am so surprised that all of SC is just left to TWC. Yea, I know its not a booming metropolis, but there is definitely money to be made and their is just no competition here. TWC rules all. ATT has a small presence, but they do nothing...if someone were to really come in, invest some money, I think they could really do well here. TWC isn't in the upstate at all - ATT here.
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| | tmobile it would be nice if tmobile would focus on bringing devices that can actually use their 3g network that offers 4g like speeds.?
one blackberry is all we get and a few toy like devices. | |
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Greer, SC | said by southfl :
it would be nice if tmobile would focus on bringing devices that can actually use their 3g network that offers 4g like speeds.?
one blackberry is all we get and a few toy like devices.
huh?
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it would be nice if tmobile would focus on bringing devices that can actually use their 3g network that offers 4g like speeds.?
one blackberry is all we get and a few toy like devices.
Have you heard of android powered phones?
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| | Nokia E73 Shhhhh.. Just went to the Nokia E73 launch event today. This phone is capable of 10.2 Mbps DL which will make this phone the fastest capable phone in America.
It's no iPhone but a solid full qwerty "does it all," phone with free turn by turn OVI maps and boatloads of other features including.... DARE I SAY IT... UMA.
Full BT or USB tethering is easy to do too at no extra charge.
I feel sorry for those who have no other choice but to use the most expensive providers. T-Mobile rocks here in Southern California and soon we'll have the fastest wireless network (provided by any of our US wireless providers) in the US here. Just a few weeks away. | |
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