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Study: AT&T LTE Outperforms Verizon LTE
'The Mother of All Network Benchmark Tests'
by Karl Bode Tuesday 07-Feb-2012 tags: business · wireless · bandwidth · wireless
In the latest version of "The Mother of All Network Benchmark Tests," Signals Research finds that AT&T's LTE network performs "markedly better" that Verizon's LTE network in early tests in several markets, while noting that LTE performance overall lags somewhat due to an immature ecosystem and lower-quality early LTE devices. "Once normalized for channel bandwidth and MIMO, not to mention taking into consideration network loading, the performance differences across all technologies were relatively modest in the downlink," notes the report. "In a few cases, DC-HSDPA outperformed LTE, even without making these adjustments and EV-DO Rev A outperformed HSPA+." The firm noted that LTE upstream speeds are where the technology tends to notably outperform predecessors.

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jgkolt
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nowheresville

It outperformed verizon lte on a network that is practically empty. much like verizon beating sprint when no one was on verizon lte yet.

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Re: nowheresville

said by jgkolt:

It outperformed verizon lte on a network that is practically empty. much like verizon beating sprint when no one was on verizon lte yet.

From the article:

"FURTHER, we disagree with the notion that network loading is an issue at this time on the Verizon Wireless network - at least when it came to our test methodology and results. "

Come on, it isn't even that long...
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Re: nowheresville

said by Mizzat:

said by jgkolt:

It outperformed verizon lte on a network that is practically empty. much like verizon beating sprint when no one was on verizon lte yet.

From the article:

"FURTHER, we disagree with the notion that network loading is an issue at this time on the Verizon Wireless network - at least when it came to our test methodology and results. "

Come on, it isn't even that long...

They certainly can't make an assessment like that without asking Verizon directly about traffic in their area when running their tests.

The facts are pretty obvious that Verizon's LTE network has been around for over a year in most cities, while ATT's LTE has only been out for a couple months.
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Re: nowheresville

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They certainly can't make an assessment like that without asking Verizon directly about traffic in their area when running their tests.

The facts are pretty obvious that Verizon's LTE network has been around for over a year in most cities, while ATT's LTE has only been out for a couple months.
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You say the facts are pretty obvious. I'm interested to hear what facts those are aside from the number of cities that you have available to lead you to believe your knowledge is greater than the company that performed this study. Sounds like to me you're just rationalizing it to your perception of AT&T versus actually taking what the study that was done by experts presents..

By the way, where are these "facts" (aside from number of cities) that you say you have that lead you to believe this study is totally bunk? I challenge you to present them here..(won't hold my breath).

As to your point about Verizon's network saturation... a simple google search will lead you to multiple sources that state their LTE subscriber base is appox 565,000.... that's right.. 565K.. you call that network saturation? Out of ~100mil subscribers.. ha, it's laughable... next time, take even 2 min to do some research and you may rethink your post.

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Exactly. I think they are both 73mbps networks, but Verizon's deeper spectrum assets will give them the advantage in the long run, assuming both carriers see a similar uptake of LTE devices.

nycnetwork

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Certainly not faster in NYC:

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Re: nowheresville

That can't be real. You barely even have a signal. Thoae towers Max out at 73 MBPS.
BiggA

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Re: nowheresville

They may not have been done when the screenshot was taken.

nycnetwork

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Signal while taking the screenshot has nothing to do with the signal during the test... Can't be real? Have you ever tried Verizon's 10Mhz LTE service in NYC?
Here is another one:

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said by nycnetwork:

Certainly not faster in NYC:

Maybe it's just me, but I'm not seeing the comparable AT&T speeds at the same date and time. How did he make the determination "not faster in NYC"?
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BiggA

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Re: nowheresville

And the pointless race begins. I have 30mbps! I have 40! What do you do with 40mbps? I have no clue.

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Because I have both services. Verizon actually maxes out 10Mhz Sectors, while on completely unloaded AT&T network I'm seeing peak speeds at about 60mbps. AT&T's Cell density and capacity in NYC is inferior to 14 months old, loaded Verizon LTE network.
Video taken today:

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BiggA

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Re: nowheresville

Not surprising. Verizon has a much better run network in general in NYC.

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Speed or Coverage

I'll take coverage area of speed any day. Unless you never leave a small area you'd want the service with the broader coverage area as well. I travel frequently and appreciate the fact that I can go almost anywhere and get a Verizon 3G signal. And increasingly I can get a Verizon LTE signal everywhere as well.

Besides, I've yet to find a reason to really need speeds over even 3Mb/s on a cell phone. Even when tethered to a laptop, which is just a short term solution till a real connection is available.

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Re: Speed or Coverage

verizon's 3g's is slower than t-mobile or att 3g's. at&t 3g is notcably wider than verizon's 4g lte.

Too bad neither verizon nor sprint never upgraded their markets early to hspa+ Much like cmda carriers in Canada or Europe have done it. There would have been more smartphone competition.

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Re: Speed or Coverage

said by attmania :

verizon's 3g's is slower than t-mobile or att 3g's. at&t 3g is notcably wider than verizon's 4g lte.

Too bad neither verizon nor sprint never upgraded their markets early to hspa+ Much like cmda carriers in Canada or Europe have done it. There would have been more smartphone competition.

That is true. I was shocked when I saw that Bell and Telus were going UMTS instead of CDMA2000. Sadly neither VZW or Sprint made the leap.
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said by attmania :

verizon's 3g's is slower than t-mobile or att 3g's. at&t 3g is notcably wider than verizon's 4g lte.

I call BS on VZ being slower than at&t on 3G. I put my VZ D2G next to a friends' at&t Captivate. His download was around 300k while mine was around 1.5-2mbps. As for upload, I laughed. His was 56k (yes, I'm serious) and mine was around 500k. This was in Billings and Sheridan.

Either, there's an issue with his Captivate (which I doubt it) or at&t truly has crappy data service.

As for dropped calls, I won't even go there. He's constantly p*ssed at at&t for dropping several business calls. Unfortunately, he's stuck in a contract and can't escape.
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Re: Speed or Coverage

AT&T's network may stink in Montana but here in northern Illinois it's network performance is good. I average 1-2 mb in download speed, sometimes during off peak hours it goes little faster.

It's even good in Iowa as long as u stay in larger towns. Once u leave town it's on edge. Their map shows their rural coverage is roaming area which probably is iwireless. It was created as partnership between INS and tmobile to increase investment in network in rural areas with 3G network. The only gsm carrier to do such investment. INS is funded by taxpayers focused on it economy in IA? Has Montana ever done such investments? I doubt.

Illinois is AT&T bell area so it makes sense AT&T invested network there, not just in Chicago but also central IL. But Montana that is under qwest/centurylink? They usually won't unless it is metro area like Denver or Minneapolis. Montana doesn't have a metro city.

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att's 3G has been amazing me for a few months now.


they really got their act in order recently.
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Yeah, I also call BS. I've had both, and I had to leave AT&T because the service got so bad. It wasn't the data that chased me off but the constant dropped calls and failure to connect calls. Yes, AT&T's data could be faster than VZW, when it wanted to be. Other times, it was horribly slow, and speeds could vary widely from minute to minute. VZW's 3G may be slower, but it's fast enough, and it's much more consistent than AT&T, and this also goes for voice service. I don't pick up my Thunderbolt and wonder whether or not my call is going to connect the first time, or whether it will take three or four tries to make it go through.

As for data coverage, I've seen VZW LTE in places where all AT&T had was EDGE. AT&T's 3G rollout is pathetic when you consider how long they've had to do it. I honestly don't get their deployment strategy with any of their products, both wireless and wired. They start deploying something, then they slow down and pretty much stop, then they move on to something else without finishing their first deployment. I have U-verse and love it, but I feel for the folks that can't get it because I know they likely never will, since AT&T's U-verse rollouts seem to have ground to a halt. For whatever reason, they always seem to do things only halfway.
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Re: Speed or Coverage

Lol! I call your statements BS too. There may be areas where there is VZW 4g but not AT&T 3G. But that does change fact there is still a lot more areas where AT&T 3G or even tmobile partners' 3G is present but not 4g yet. And in some areas us cellular will deploy 4g before VZ does. All what you are trying to prove in your responses is that you are VZ fanboy! Lol
ISurfTooMuch

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Re: Speed or Coverage

No, it's not that I'm a VZW fanboy; it's more that I've watched AT&T's network down here turn from a solid network to complete shit, despite the fact that they were told about it and even their local corporate stores knew it.

Personally, I don't care what carrier I'm on, as long as it meets my needs. I don't really care which network is faster. If the slower one is fast enough and more stable, then that's the one I'll go with. Personally, I prefer GSM over CDMA, but, as I said, AT&T's service here went downhill in a hurry, and T-Mobile has issues in some big buildings, so that left VZW, Sprint, and Southern LINC. SoLINC is iDEN, so that won't work, since there's no fast data, and I used to have Sprint (and I know people who still do), and their coverage here isn't that good. So that left only VZW, which is where I am now. If their service deteriorates, I'll reevaluate and go somewhere else.

But if you think I'm a fanboy for saying what works best for me, then feel free. You'd be wrong, of course, but feel free.
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Re: Speed or Coverage

said by ISurfTooMuch:

No, it's not that I'm a VZW fanboy; it's more that I've watched AT&T's network down here turn from a solid network to complete shit, despite the fact that they were told about it and even their local corporate stores knew it.

Personally, I don't care what carrier I'm on, as long as it meets my needs. I don't really care which network is faster. If the slower one is fast enough and more stable, then that's the one I'll go with. Personally, I prefer GSM over CDMA, but, as I said, AT&T's service here went downhill in a hurry, and T-Mobile has issues in some big buildings, so that left VZW, Sprint, and Southern LINC. SoLINC is iDEN, so that won't work, since there's no fast data, and I used to have Sprint (and I know people who still do), and their coverage here isn't that good. So that left only VZW, which is where I am now. If their service deteriorates, I'll reevaluate and go somewhere else.

But if you think I'm a fanboy for saying what works best for me, then feel free. You'd be wrong, of course, but feel free.

AT&T started getting worse here in 2009, specifically when AT&T took over right after Cingular though. SouthernLINC is good for voice and text, but you are right, they suck as far as data is concerned.

Verizon has taken over and dominated central AL and of course AT&T is still on the decline.
ISurfTooMuch

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Re: Speed or Coverage

Actually, AT&T didn't take over. It's just that BellSouth wouldn't allow Cingular to be renamed AT&T while they were a partner in it with AT&T (formerly SBC). Then, AT&T bought BellSouth and renamed everything.

In this area, I think what caused AT&T's problems is that they started directing phones to camp on 1900 instead of 850. While the 850 network has been solid, 1900 isn't so solid, and they were sending phones up to 1900 even in spots where the 1900 signal was weak enough to be unusable. The effect was that, even if you had a solid 850 signal, you could still have bad service because your phone was being directed to camp on 1900. From reading HoFo, this wasn't just affecting Tuscaloosa but was happening all over north and central Alabama. At one point, in early 2010, it reached the point that AT&T phones in Tuscaloosa were pretty much unusable. I happened to see a former coworker at lunch and asked her if she was having problems, and she actually said that was the first day in two weeks that she could make a call. I actually went on AT&T's FB page and told them that they had a serious network problem down here, and some other folks from the area also joined in. It ended up turning into a huge pile-on, where people were coming out of the woodwork to say how bad things here had gotten, but all the AT&T mod would say was that they were working to make the network "better than ever". No acknowledgment whatsoever that there was a problem or an ETA on when it would be fixed.

That was about the point when my wife said that she thought it was time to make a change, so we ported to VZW and paid the ETF. Money well spent, IMHO.
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Re: Speed or Coverage

said by ISurfTooMuch:

Actually, AT&T didn't take over. It's just that BellSouth wouldn't allow Cingular to be renamed AT&T while they were a partner in it with AT&T (formerly SBC). Then, AT&T bought BellSouth and renamed everything.

In this area, I think what caused AT&T's problems is that they started directing phones to camp on 1900 instead of 850. While the 850 network has been solid, 1900 isn't so solid, and they were sending phones up to 1900 even in spots where the 1900 signal was weak enough to be unusable. The effect was that, even if you had a solid 850 signal, you could still have bad service because your phone was being directed to camp on 1900. From reading HoFo, this wasn't just affecting Tuscaloosa but was happening all over north and central Alabama. At one point, in early 2010, it reached the point that AT&T phones in Tuscaloosa were pretty much unusable. I happened to see a former coworker at lunch and asked her if she was having problems, and she actually said that was the first day in two weeks that she could make a call. I actually went on AT&T's FB page and told them that they had a serious network problem down here, and some other folks from the area also joined in. It ended up turning into a huge pile-on, where people were coming out of the woodwork to say how bad things here had gotten, but all the AT&T mod would say was that they were working to make the network "better than ever". No acknowledgment whatsoever that there was a problem or an ETA on when it would be fixed.

That was about the point when my wife said that she thought it was time to make a change, so we ported to VZW and paid the ETF. Money well spent, IMHO.

They have redirected most of the traffic to 850mhz now with the down tuning of GSM, but that still hasn't resolved the issue. The main problems with AT&T in central AL are, backhaul and the cell site density. They aren't running enough *carriers* to handle the growth of data usage like Verizon has. Game day, AT&T goes completely down basically, my calls don't work half the time, but Verizon works great.

I am in Oak Grove and I get 4G LTE from Verizon where AT&T is all EDGE still, and like everyone else, I will drop AT&T soon when my contract is run out. I thankfully have had 2 family plan's, one on ATT and one on Verizon and have unlimited Verizon data as well so it all works out pretty good.
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Re: Speed or Coverage

locust43, right? ALCingularUser here. Small world.

Yeah, I know what you mean about game days. I was in the stadium for the Vanderbilt game last year with a buddy of mine, and my VZW phone worked fine except for one brief time when data slowed to a crawl. His girlfriend called me because she needed to talk to him during the game, since she couldn't get through on his AT&T phone. Mine rang the first time she called.

My only complaint is that VZW is still 1x in some areas down 69S around Taylorville, something they should have fixed a long time ago, and they're also 1x up by County High, but I don't visit those areas much, so it doesn't really affect me.

jrw71

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Your observation of the services is probably the best way to look at things. Many people on the post are so focused on speed that they receive that they fail to focus on the quality of service they are receiving.

In several studies, Verizon has shown to have the best coverage nationwide. However, if you find that a local or regional carrier has the best coverage and service for where you use it the most, that is the best company to use in your situation. Too many people are believing all of the hype of advertisements and are not researching everything for themselves.

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said by Simba7:

I call BS on VZ being slower than at&t on 3G. I put my VZ D2G next to a friends' at&t Captivate. His download was around 300k while mine was around 1.5-2mbps. As for upload, I laughed. His was 56k (yes, I'm serious) and mine was around 500k. This was in Billings and Sheridan.

In NJ I can get 5Mbps on AT&T whereas I barely get 2Mbps on Verizon.

Rambo76098

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That sounds like good EDGE "2G" speeds.
Markie

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When did you do this test? AT&T bought the Alltel properties from Verizon here in Montana (a mandated divestiture) and was required to keep the Alltel CDMA network up as a condition from Verizon (for roaming). This meant AT&T only had room for a single 850MHz cellular UMTS channel (instead of two), and they didn't have time to have PCS antennas and equipment installed at launch so they launched with only a single UMTS channel in Montana. It was atrocious. They've been adding capacity by adding PCS channels and it's much, much better now. 2-6mbps...

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said by attmania :

verizon's 3g's is slower than t-mobile or att 3g's. at&t 3g is notcably wider than verizon's 4g lte.

lol, no shit at&t's 3g has a broader coverage area than verizon's 4g. but let's compare apples to apples here. i know such a logical thought process may be difficult for you but i assure you it can be done.

at&t's 3g coverage is tiny compared to verizon's 3g coverage. and at&t's lte coverage is non-existent compared to verizon's lte coverage.

yes, in most instances at&t 3g is faster than verizon 3g. but i (as well as millions of other people) would much rather have the ability to travel outside of a major city and still receive a signal instead of having a needlessly faster signal in a confined space.

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jrw71

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AT&T typically has a higher 3g data speed than the other carriers. While this was important in the past, 4g networks are the wave of the future. AT&T uses hspa as their 4g network which is substantially slower than Verizon's 4g LTE network. Spring is using a network similar to Verizon but Verizon has the largest spectrum rights to LTE bandwidth so should be able to dominate the market for many years to come when it comes to speed and coverage with an LTE network.

jrw71

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I believe too many people are so focused on speed, that they don't truly see what you see. Each cell phone company has its particular areas that have phenomenal coverage and speeds, however, those areas may be much smaller for some companies than others.

I agree with you that what is most important is coverage and reliability compared to speed. In general, several studies have shown that Verizon has far greater service than any cell phone provider in the country. Additionally, Verizon is building their 4g LTE network up faster and more efficiently than any other company. This will provider them faster and wider coverage than any other carrier in the country within the next 6 months to a year.

zigb

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what??

Hmmm....this report is somewhat in conflict with the study some months back by somebody or other claiming that ATT's deep packet inspection used to catch tethering, was causing a 50% slowdown on their network.

ZB

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So?

I'll take slower speed on Sprint's unlimited data than get blazing fast speed and constantly have to watch my usage on AT&T. I'm voting for Sprint/iPhone 5 this year.
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Re: So?

said by ArchAngel21x:

I'll take slower speed on Sprint's unlimited data than get blazing fast speed and constantly have to watch my usage on AT&T. I'm voting for Sprint/iPhone 5 this year.

Sprint seems to be adding capacity again. I'm more consistently getting 6-8Mbps and peak more often to 12Mbps than I used to. 3G is now getting 1.8-2Mbps at times when it was typically under 1Mbps.

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I'm with ArchAngel21x. I don't have a smart phone or data plan, yet, but when I do (I figure it's inevitable), I'll probably be sticking with Sprint. If I do switch, "AT&T" would be my last choice, for any number of reasons, I don't care how fast they or anybody else claims they are.

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Ill agree with that... I switched from ATT years ago and went to T-mobile (even more plan) then from even more to TMO prepaid plan and recently.. left TMO prepaid for Walmart mobile ( as I could use my G2X I purchased outright from all 3 of the last plans) I now prefer having 5GB of 3G data before throttle, vs the 2GB of 4G data ( in which I never saw 21mbps it was always around 7-12 at best) and im paying $15 less per month ( $180 per year) And I tether freely to boot! There are situations where quantity is better than quality, this is one of them.

With plans like the one Straight talk is coming out with ( reference to unlocking Iphone with straight talk service "AND" Tmobile LG G2X on straight talk service) Id like to see how ATT or T-mobile start shaking up pricing on their prepaid services again.

LTE821

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So What!!

If the study is true, so what.

Fast speed + No connectivity = Nothing

LTE821

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Fast Speed ... So What!!

If the study is true, so what.

Fast speed + No connectivity = Nothing
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Fast +consistent connectivity = EXCELLENT
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Not surprising.. AT&T LTE usage hasn't ramped up.

If you looked at one of Tuesday morning linked articles,
"Wireless Firms Live Or Die With Smartphone Strategies".

You would have discovered that AT&T in 2011Q4 activated 9.4M smart phones of which 7.6M were Iphones. It is common knowledge that none of the Iphone models have LTE capabilities.

That adds up to less than 2 million new users potentially using bandwidth on AT&T's new capped, throttled, over billed LTE network.

I'm not impressed..

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AT&T LTE

AT&T LTE... The best network that you'll never use...

Ma Bell is back... and she don't care.
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More Questionable Speed Tests- Network Still Awful F-

And how much did AT&T pay for this "independent" study to be done or donate?? Proof is in the pudding. And even if they were faster on one test, the big thing people are concerned about is:

1) network quality, i.e. actually being able to complete the phone call and hear the other person.

2) Actually getting service. Which is still why LTE which would fall back to CDMA on dual band and tri-band phones, since CDMA phones work better in downtown urban environments since the signal and travel farther and you need less cell sites than GMS phones.

3) ATT refuses to invest in their network and instead cry like a little child all day long.

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Sorry but I was on the AT&T investor conference call the other day with old Radyyy Boy and wanted a BARF bag by the time I got off the call for all the BS he was trying to spin. Clearly as an Investor in the Company, and also as a third party provider of their services, I would NOT want Randall L. Stephenson to be on any forward facing calls because he doesn't quite understand how to communicate his companies or investors objectives clearly... Either that or this is all a PR publicity stunt to effect stock price earnings and try to have a second chance and buying more influence..

In fact, read it how you want, because we litigate against many of these telecom law firms. But the kstreet lawyers at firms like Sidley Austin LLP and Arnold & Porter LLP et cetera look very promising.

Based on the latest Senate proposal that was struck down that was to limit Congress from taking $300k+ bonus jobs at many of these firm(s).

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Re: More Questionable Speed Tests- Network Still Awful F-

I was wondering that myself.

How much money did this organization get to publish this study?

SRG

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Re: More Questionable Speed Tests- Network Still Awful F-

The answer is $0. All operators, including VZW, provided free and unlimited access to their networks and the associated dongles.
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said by jlibuszowski:

2) Actually getting service. Which is still why LTE which would fall back to CDMA on dual band and tri-band phones, since CDMA phones work better in downtown urban environments since the signal and travel farther and you need less cell sites than GMS phones.


Umm... triband CDMA ?
'GMS' - don't you mean GSM ? Also, 3G on AT&T/T-Mobile is a variant of CDMA called WCDMA.
In downtown urban environment, you'd prefer that there's coverage, but traveling further is actually a bad thing in the city, as you need to reuse the spectrum.
Traveling further is actually (propegation) is more based on frequency/power than it is on GSM vs CDMA vs WCDMA up to ~22miles.

said by jlibuszowski:

3) ATT refuses to invest in their network and instead cry like a little child all day long.

While AT&T does invest in their infrastructure... they also want their upper 1% to have it all.
markinect

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Verizon att

If you fan boys would check the facts you will see that at&t speeds in the first few months are still faster than what verizon speeds where in their first few months......so all this loaded network stuff is a joke.

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Stockbridge, GA

Re: Verizon att

You sure about that fanboy? Average speeds early on were 30-40 mbit. Some even went to 50-80. (Look in the verizon wireless forum)
markinect

join:2011-01-20
Lansing, MI

Re: Verizon att

Well its all about the technology they use which is why ATT was faster last generation(3g) and will be this Gen....but will continue to have dropped calls.

Rambo76098

join:2003-02-21
Columbus, OH

Re: Verizon att

What? They are both using the same revision of LTE.

2G/3G speeds were different due to different cell technology, but not with LTE.

MovieLover76

join:2009-09-11
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Questionable results

I can only comment on my experience in NJ, which is an area that has generally good AT&T and Verizon coverage. I currently use both carriers AT&T for work and Verizon for my personal phone.

I left AT&T a year ago on my personal account for verizon because of dropped calls and data issues, but I have to say in the past year they've gotten better, but not great I still get more dropped calls on my AT&T phone and the 3G data speeds have improved.

Based on what I've seen with AT&T general performance I think it's very possible that their LTE offering could be very competative with Verizon, except for two things AT&T doesn't invest in infrastructure to the level Verizon does, and AT&T's high speed data coverage is consistently smaller than Verizon's and in the end coverage, less dropped calls and a well supported network are more important.

Last but not least I know this has already been said, but how would they have any way of knowing if the vastly higher numbers of Verizon's LTE customers has effected the speeds, I got the thunderbolt on release day and I've seen a slight slowdown, nothing to worry about by any means just slightly lower max speeds.

jmn1207
Premium
join:2000-07-19
Ashburn, VA

Houston We Have No Problems

So, on September 5th, 2011, AT&T LTE was better than Verizon Wireless LTE, in Houston. This is certainly not an exhaustive comparison.

Edit: An interesting finding from another source about AT&T LTE in Houston, and right around the same time this "Mother" test was conducted.

»www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2393286,00.asp
markinect

join:2011-01-20
Lansing, MI

its all about thesignal

verizon signal is able to travel through walls easiser but has a slower data speed ,on the other hand i saw a report about att technology and signal is better for higher speeds but cant penatrate buildings as well....and tmobile and sprint spectrum band causes even less building penatration............i am in a att and verizon household and i can tell you my att speeds are much faster than verizon but when im in a theatre or deep in a building my verizon phone is able to make and get calls better than att......
markinect

join:2011-01-20
Lansing, MI

att

Can someone tell me why my att phone can get data fine in buildings and the theatre but cant make or recieve and phone calls.

inthebiz

@clearwire-wmx.net

Re: att

you may be wi-fi enabled and not actually on cellular. Further lower feq. means better signal strength. And on the note about VZW versus ATT both providers are limited by the back haul out of the cell site. This is a major problem for both. Both fluff the LTE actual build out. The facts are that both really do not have actual functioning LTE networks, they each have a few sites here and there and very few of those have much more than a few t-1's out of their sites. It will be a long time until we catch up with the rest of the world

CaptainRR
Premium
join:2006-04-21
Blue Rock, OH
Reviews:
·Verizon Wireless..

Re: att

Don't underestimate VZW on there backhual to the sell site. There is more fiber runing to there cell sites than you assume. I am in a rural area and VZW put up two new cell sites up by me a year and a half ago and Time Warner ran fiber to them. I pretty much know were a lot of there towers are at in my area and they all have fiber ran to them. My home phone line is another story at&t 26k dailup at best. I will take LTE and I know it is coming with fiber to the new cells.

skj
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Coverage area is what matters

For me it is the coverage area that matters, which Verizon has AT&T beat hands down. As far as speeds, I don't know if AT&T is faster, but I don't really care since Verizon's speeds in 4G areas are fantastic. Here is what I can get in a 4G area:



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Van
Premium
join:2009-07-08
New Orleans, LA

Had AT&T from the 1st day of the original iPhone

to 3 months ago. Then I switched to Verizon.

I miss the quicker download speeds and talk/data usage at the same time.

But why am I happier with Verizon? Because my dropped phone calls are pretty much a thing of the past.

Whether it was me living in the Northeast, Southwest, Midwest, etc...(I travel a lot due to work)....my AT&T iPhone dropped calls like it was its job.

With Verizon, I just have not had a single issue with it.

Are the speeds slower? Absolutely...but it gets the speeds needed for work and personal use.

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