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join:2002-03-01
Hamden, CT | Idiots Idiots.
Greedy idiots.
Damn Greedy Idiots. | |
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join:2002-04-30
Upper Marlboro, MD
1 edit | Re: Idiots Federal Government gives you three hundred in tax cuts, your realestate taxes go up by more than that amount, it all works out in the end!!
At times its like states should have some of their powers for levying taxes taken from them from them, or atleast have the muzzel put on maybe have taxes approved by the federal government.:p
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join:2001-06-27
Land O Lakes, FL
| Re: Idiots I guess if you live in a "blue" state you should lower your expectations when it comes to how much of your money you get to keep? Here in Florida, where the state finally learned how to run a proper election, my real estate taxes actually declined by $100 despite the property value increase. | |
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join:2000-10-10
Falls Church, VA
| Re: Idiots said by lesopp  :Here in Florida, where the state finally learned how to run a proper election, my real estate taxes actually declined by $100 despite the property value increase. Was this before or after your house was blown/washed away in the hurricanes? 
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join:2001-06-27
Land O Lakes, FL | Re: Idiots Fortunately I didn't have any damage. How did you fare in the 2003 hurricane? My company has an office on Kidwell Drive (just off the Leesburg Pike) and streamed some video my way, the winds looked strong. | |
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Ncc1701
join:2000-10-10
Falls Church, VA
| Re: Idiots said by lesopp :Fortunately I didn't have any damage. How did you fare in the 2003 hurricane? My company has an office on Kidwell Drive (just off the Leesburg Pike) and streamed some video my way, the winds looked strong. Not too bad, actually. Neither the wind nor the rain was all that bad in my neighborhood, although we were watching news of tornado warnings for folks to the west...
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58ef2c0
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join:2000-05-11
 ·AT&T Midwest
1 edit | How much are those sales taxes? And "intangibles" taxes, and ad valorem rates for god knows what? Having property in both Florida and Illinois I don't know which is worse tax-wise. And coming from IL, that's saying something.
Isn't Florida a greenish-grey state, The Mildew State? 
Anyway, the only reason the FCC is trying to prohibit state taxation of these services is because once they grow up the Feds want that revenue. Don't kid yourself that this has anything to do with consumers. | |
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Your Freedom Fries Are Stale
join:2003-09-29
| Re: Idiots From the article: quote:
In November, the FCC ruled that Vonage-style VOIP service should be free from most state regulation because the service can’t practically be separated into intrastate and interstate components. Because Vonage customers can use the service to make a call from a broadband connection anywhere in the world, it’s hard to determine whether a call is local, interstate or international, the FCC said.
I fail to see how they could prove the last sentence untrue, which would be needed to overturn the ruling. | |
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calvoiper
join:2003-03-31
Belvedere Tiburon, CA
| Re: Idiots Believe me, in the name of consumer protection, the California PUC would embrace a mandatory requirement that every VoIP capable device (including all PCs) would have to have a functional GPS receiver to determine its location.
In order to preserve its power, the CPUC would eagerly push for such a requirement, regardless of the fact that it would be:
1. unenforceable
2. unworkable, as GPS doesn't work well indoors
3. and worst of all, horribly expensive for consumers, both in the cost of the equipment and in the economic results of over-regulation.
Anybody who doubts the above scenario should recall the early years of cellular, when the CPUC prohibited "bundling" the phone with the service. The idiots thought that would lower the cost of service, as the service wouldn't be trying to recoup the cost of the phone. Instead, Californians got service at the same or higher cost as the rest of the country, and got the privilege of paying the full cost of the cellular phone upfront as well. The companies liked the enforced restraint of trade which lowered their costs (no promotional phones) until things reached a point where the cost of the phone was a real hurdle to new sales. About that time, the FCC preempted state regulation, thank heavens.
This being California, I'm sure otherwise the CPUC would be punishing cellular companies for not building new cell sites that other branches of California government are obstructing in every way possible.
calvoiper
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join:2001-06-27
Land O Lakes, FL
| said by RadioDoc :...I don't know which is worse tax-wise. You don't have to search far for the answer.
Ad valorem rates and intangibles are included in ones annual tax bill. I don't recall the specific rates but I think almost half goes to the schools.
In Florida there is not state income tax, sales tax is 7% for my county. I work with someone who is from Illinois, her home here is 2000 sq ft (garage not included) with a swimming pool. Her property taxes were approximately $1800. Her mother owns a 2000 sq ft home in Illinois (no pool) and pays nearly $6000 a year in property tax. | |
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58ef2c0
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
·AT&T Midwest
| Re: Idiots Yeah I'm quite familiar with both states, thank you. I pay taxes in both. Real estate in desirable areas is much more expensive up here as well. 2000 sq. ft. where I live will run you $1/2 million and up.
My point was more aimed at that insipid "blue state" comment. There is no state with a monopoly on picking their residents' pockets, and the Federal government is where they go when they turn pro.
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join:2001-06-27
Land O Lakes, FL
| Re: Idiots Just for the record the two states that are the subject of this article are blue states so my original observation is accurate. At least until a red state joins in.
If I offended you with a truthful observation, I apologize.
Just because you don't like the "blue state" comment doesn't make it insipid. The fact that people responded proves otherwise. If there were no responses then I would agree it is insipid.
in·sip·id Pronunciation Key (n-spd)
adj.
Lacking qualities that excite, stimulate, or interest; dull
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58ef2c0
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join:2000-05-11 | Re: Idiots Whatever. You obviously aren't going to address the problem, and you can't offend me. Have a nice day.
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Land O Lakes, FL | Re: Idiots What problem? | |
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technick
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join:2000-12-16
Loganville, GA | Its kind of like retards.. you tell them no, they try again.. sometimes you just have to take the retard out in the back, and beat them with a stick.. | |
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doppler
join:2003-03-31
Blue Point, NY | I am surprised New York was not first to tax But then CA has a bigger budget short fall.
Still the unoffical motto of New York is
TAX THEM TIL THEY LEAVE.
And you thought it was "I luv NY" | |
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C0deZer0
Oc'D To Rhythm And Police
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join:2001-10-03
Davenport, FL
 ·Verizon FIOS
| Re: I am surprised New York was not first to tax No, the official slogan for New York is: said by Rockstar Games:
"... It's a great place to leave."
Why else do you think that they chose NY as the model for the city in Grand Theft Auto 3?  | |
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join:2000-08-25
New York | quote:
I am surprised New York was not first to tax
x2!!!
Always proud to be one less person getting taxed up the arse for telephone service. | |
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ropeguru
Premium
join:2001-01-25
Bridgeport, WV
clubs: | So... They waste taxpayers money fighting in court to get more of the taxpayers money.
Maybe if they would just give up, they would have enough tax revenue that they wouldn't need to tax VoIP. | |
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P Ness
You'Ve Forgotten 9-11 Already
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join:2001-08-29
Mineola, NY
clubs:
| tax time- i looked at a map i looked at a map of MN last year...now they want to tax me as a temp resident...
:O(
getting a bit crazy. maybe we should sell them to canada?
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | Re: tax time- i looked at a map Also lets Canada worry about the Vikings late season meltdowns!  I'm tired of reading about them. | |
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oliphant
I Have 8 Boobies
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join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA
| Yeah...NO California wants to steal more tax money so more brainless cubicle workers at the DMV can retire at 50 with a 90% pension.
State pension contributions go from under $200M per year to over $2B per year in just 4 years and they want US all to pay for the state corruption? State spending goes up over 40% over just 4 years and they want us to pay for their corruption?
No thanks. It's revolution time. First was Davis...the rest of the Sacramento hacks are next. A $100 billion a year should be quite enough for the greedy hacks to waste. | |
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aztecnology
O Rly?
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join:2003-02-12
Murrieta, CA
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: Yeah...NO I heard those stats on KFI yesterday when driving home, almost drove off the road...
oliphant haven't seen you on the board in a long time, are you back in socal?
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oliphant
I Have 8 Boobies
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join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA | Re: Yeah...NO I was always here (in SoCal)...just took a break from DSLR for a while. Saw I could get my old screen name back and re-enlisted in the sandbox. | |
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ParanoiaInc
join:2002-08-28
Tucker, GA | Maybe its time to move? Let the actors and rest of Hollywood pay for the taxes. Personally, I wouldn't be caught dead in California as I hear its a great place to be taxed to death (and without representation, too). | |
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| Blackened
Your Freedom Fries Are Stale
join:2003-09-29
| Re: Maybe its time to move? said by ParanoiaInc :Let the actors and rest of Hollywood pay for the taxes. Personally, I wouldn't be caught dead in California as I hear its a great place to be taxed to death (and without representation, too). Contrary to what you heard, I have yet to be "taxed to death". Ignorance aside, still feel free to not be caught dead in California. | |
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DrTCP
Yours truly
Premium,ExMod 1999-04
join:1999-11-09
Round Rock, TX
1 edit | Texas to revise Telecom laws (consumer beware) I expect they will try to grab money from VoIP as well and give more monopoly powers to incumbent telcos (SBC mostly). There is huge lobbying from telcos.
It's not about Red state/Blue state. It's about money and who pays the policians! | |
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join:2001-05-03
Fort Lauderdale, FL
1 edit | Re: Texas to revise Telecom laws (consumer beware) It's about money and who pays the policians! Just love how THAT is called "lobbying" (for a "cause"), whereas anywhere else - outside our gov't - it would be considered bribing.
But yeah.. I don't get these guys. The FCC, a federal goverment body/agency/whatever has told the states to back off, yet the STATES are saying 'no'.
So I wonder if there's any contingency in place for this sort of thing. Like "I'm the federal gov't and I said no! Now go to your room!" | |
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Vonage User5
join:2004-05-15
Hillsborough, NC | They're both blue states what do you expect!! lol | |
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flushls
join:2004-11-02
Joyce, WA
| How is this If the state can make sure everyone in the state has BB or can get for under $60 a month (not Sat BB) and can use VOIP let them tax it.
Since BB everywhere won't happen neither will state taxes.
Uncle Flushls
"BPL the biggest piece of Vapourware since Duck Nukem Forever"
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viperpa33s
Why Me?
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join:2002-12-20
Bradenton, FL
 ·Bright House
| Money is not the answer to life's problems When you have politicians and people having you believe that more money is the answer to life's problems then your going to have situations like this. When something new is created a politician don't say how wonderful it is, the politician is thinking how much tax they can get from it. | |
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calvoiper
join:2003-03-31
Belvedere Tiburon, CA
| Re: Money is not the answer to life's problems said by viperpa33s :When you have politicians and people having you believe that more money is the answer to life's problems then your going to have situations like this. Amen to that.
The current catchphrase in CA is "This state doesn't have a revenue problem, it has a spending problem."
What's really funny is the politicos still wanting more money, as the citizens see even the recent transportation tax approvals being diverted to "social spending."
(My new definition of a "social program" is "when the government is doing things for people that they should be doing themselves.")
Calvoiper
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justncredible
@rr.com | Re: Money is not the answer to life's problems somebody has to pay for the muni ran wireless | |
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calvoiper
join:2003-03-31
Belvedere Tiburon, CA | Re: Money is not the answer to life's problems Actually, it's going to be fun to see what happens when these free muni systems fill up with home users....
calvoiper
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jazzy112
join:2003-12-05
Fargo, ND
| Minnesota not a surprise.... This idiot governor absolutely refuses to raise taxes to the general public. The state has fired more teachers in the last two years than they've hired in the last 10. And like one other post stated their property taxes have been raised both in percentage and over inflated property values.
This doesn't surprise me at all, that idiot governor is also trying to extort money out of the Indian reservations as well. Granted wisconsin already does get money from gambling, but that was a result of mutual agreements. Pawlenty (idiot governor) is trying to force them to abide by his wishes. | |
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State VoIP Money Grab