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TK Junk Mail
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| Re: Congrats... said by rideboarder  :to him for winning the gold medal... I can't say I'm too fond of his business, but he is a good skiier. At least he isn't collecting any money from sponsors but paying for everything himself. I couldn't bring myself to congratulate this scumbag. No matter what his skills and accomplishments as a skier, he is a lowlife skiing on the edge of illegality in his business ventures. I can only wish him future visits from legal authorities and dozens of lawsuits to plague him for years to come. It would be truly ironic if his Olympic fame brings him a lot of attention from the likes of Microsoft and Yahoo launching lawsuits against him.
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Huh? What?
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| Re: Congrats... If he wasn't ashamed of his business he'd be willing to talk about it. HE KNOWS what he does is unscrupulous, and he still does it anyway. That shows no remorse, so AFAIC he's definately a scumbag gold medalist. I do hope he gets LOTS of visits and fan mail from grateful computer users the world over.
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join:2003-06-05
Port Charlotte, FL | Can he distinguish his money from the monies he got from placing his software onto others computers? Yes he may not have any "sponsors" but anyone who has been on the receiving end of his product IS sponsoring him to be there. | |
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mrgrock1
join:2003-06-05
Port Charlotte, FL | Gold Medal Maybe his Gold Medal should be taken and used to reimburse all the people his software and dealings have effected/infected. Or even if he is brought into a court of law, found guilty of spam/malware damages be stripped of his accomplishments. | |
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@3menatwork.com | He doesn't deserve He doesn't deserve gold medal for the olympics.
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Belmont, CA
| Oh geeeze.... People got nothing better to do then to sit around and look up gold medal winners previous business relations so they can pull up some dirt and get "A story"!
There are some seriously whacked people in this world. Got to worry about everyone but themselves. Now if this guy didn't win a gold medal no one would have said a god damn thing about it. Or even cared.. But people love to hate something. Even if its nothing..
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join:2005-01-26
Colpitts Settlement, NB
| Re: Oh geeeze.... Agreed Presonus.
As much as I despise Spyware/Malware/Adware, the guy has proven himself to be the best damn mogul skiier on the planet.
I can't help but admire the guy.
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TigerNutz
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| Re: Oh geeeze.... said by rock_on :Agreed Presonus. As much as I despise Spyware/Malware/Adware, the guy has proven himself to be the best damn mogul skiier on the planet. I can't help but admire the guy. Yeah, after making all that $$ he had plenty of free time to ski............
I admire him just like I admire all the pimps and drug dealers out there... making money the sleazy way.
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RadioDoc
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| Yeah, let's drag up the juvenile record of everyone who has ever done anything worthwhile. Or everyone in this thread (and that sad Security forum thread too).
Spyware, as it is known today, was business as usual on The Internets eight or even five years ago. The guy is 21 years old, and I doubt he even thought out the consequences of what he was doing at 13. Doesn't really matter though because what he did wasn't illegal.
Do I think adware (which is really what this was) isn't A Bad Thing? No. But there are far nastier things out there to spend all this indignant energy on. These folks make it sound like he's running for President.
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| Re: Oh geeeze.... said by RadioDoc :Yeah, let's drag up the juvenile record of everyone who has ever done anything worthwhile. Or everyone in this thread (and that sad Security forum thread too). Spyware, as it is known today, was business as usual on The Internets eight or even five years ago. The guy is 21 years old, and I doubt he even thought out the consequences of what he was doing at 13. Doesn't really matter though because what he did wasn't illegal. Do I think adware (which is really what this was) isn't A Bad Thing? No. But there are far nastier things out there to spend all this indignant energy on. These folks make it sound like he's running for President. Dude, are you a lawyer?
Just 'cause I robbed a bank doesn't make it that bad 'cause I didn't rape anyone...........
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| Re: Oh geeeze.... You evidently aren't one. Robbing a bank is illegal. What he did isn't.
And...if you robbed that bank as a minor, it's a good bet that you'd have that erased once you turned 18.
Try again.
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Wichita, KS | Re: Oh geeeze.... Actually it wouldn't. Bank robbing is a federal offence.
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| said by RadioDoc :You evidently aren't one. Robbing a bank is illegal. What he did isn't. And...if you robbed that bank as a minor, it's a good bet that you'd have that erased once you turned 18. Try again. Sorry, what he did do WAS illegal and always has been. The additional laws were created to make it easier to prosecute these sorts of scumbags. But exploiting security holes to place spyware on someone's computer has never been legal.
I find it amazing anyone would defend someone that exploited any security hole for their own personal profit at the expense of someone else. As someone that has spent more hours than I can count eliminating spyware from all of my computers and my friends computers, I think death by slow torture would be too good for these guys. These people are the scum of the earth and the bane of the Internet. Hiding behind age and lack of more explicit laws doesn't change that.
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TigerNutz
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| said by RadioDoc :You evidently aren't one. Robbing a bank is illegal. What he did isn't. And...if you robbed that bank as a minor, it's a good bet that you'd have that erased once you turned 18. Try again. I wasn't speaking of legality.
More of a question of what's bad or good, as a person or society but I guess that's purely subjective.
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join:2003-02-18
Aledo, IL | It has always been illegal to modify or install things on someone's personal computer without their knowledge.
They should close down both companies and sue. Just my opinion. | |
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Huh? What?
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| The dude's not running for PResident, true, but that doesn't mean that he gets a free pass for being a greedy, unscrupulous git.
What has this guy done that was worthwhile? Win a gold medal? Sorry, I don't think winning an Olympic Gold Medal is really worth a damn thing. The Olympics are dead, and winter Olympics have been dead for years.
Great mogul skier? Best in the world? BFD. Just another geek whose d--k is too small.
And anyone who thinks that a 13 year old can't understand the consequences of their actions, well, that's parenting today for you. Totally clueless.
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| Re: Oh geeeze.... emptywig stated
" Sorry, I don't think winning an Olympic Gold Medal is really worth a damn thing."
Which I guess is why you have not got off your fat ass and out of your parents basement to win one.
While what Dale did to make money is open for discussion winning a Gold medal for anything is a fantastic achievement,
"Totally clueless"
Yeah you are.
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Huh? What?
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| Re: Oh geeeze.... No, its not a fantastic achievement. Curing a disease is a fantastic achievement. Fighting hunger is a fantastic achievement. Building an honest business and providing employment opportunities is an honest achievement.
Poor inner-city youth who fights his disadvantages, gets sponsors, lives on cheerios for 4 years, then wins a gold medal...that's a fantastic achievement.
Rich, unscrupulous pr-ck who skis full-time because he hobbles hundreds of thousands of peoples' pc's with crapware wins a gold medal...no. Not fantastic.
A little perspective, please.
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| Re: Oh geeeze.... Emptywig,
When you have achieved anything let me know. sitting reading some on line forums does not make you an expert.
thats my perspective.
Anyone that wins a Gold medal in anything at least deserves that credit.
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Huh? What?
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Pasadena, TX | Re: Oh geeeze.... He got his medal. WooHoo.
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join:2003-07-09
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| All that training (for the Olympics)was most likely feasible from the result of not having to work. This( him living off of his company is a direct result of his malware generating his income. so if it was installed on a computer I own I would want part of the profits my box rents for $10,000 an hour.
He is guilty of theft of services I believe that is the reason people are wanting his medal taken away
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mrchris
Stop deleting my posts
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North Babylon, NY | Re: The only good Spammer is a DEAD Spammer ! Is this our old buddy Taylor?  | |
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Doctor Four
My other vehicle is a TARDIS
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Dallas, TX | Re: The only good Spammer is a DEAD Spammer ! I believe it is.
And I hate to admit it, but I kind of agree with him. | |
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join:2003-11-15
Ottawa, ON | bs so he's a scumbag now? ok. sure. what was he before you knew about this? | |
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join:2002-03-04
Plainfield, IN | Re: bs Ok, I get it. What a lovely person this is. We need more like this guy.
Am I getting this right??? I really am trying to keep up... | |
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BuriedCaesar
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join:2004-03-27
Richardson, TX
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| said by Roop :so he's a scumbag now? ok. sure. what was he before you knew about this? A scumbag without a Gold medal...
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peerimpact
join:2005-11-07
Londonderry, VT
| Im an Aussie and this is a typical Media reaction Tall poppy syndrome (TPS) is a term used in Australasia for a levelling social attitude, pushed to the point of bad behaviour. Someone has tall poppy syndrome when they are envious, defamatory, or overly critical of someone because of their notionally higher economic, social or political position.
The term originates from an account in Livy's History of Rome, Book I. A Roman tyrant, Tarquinius Superbus received a messenger from his son Sextus asking what he should do next in Gabii, since he had become all-powerful there. Rather than answering the messenger, Tarquinius went into his garden, took a stick, and symbolically swept it across his garden, thus cutting off the heads of the tallest poppies that were growing there. The messenger, tired of waiting for an answer, returned to Gabii and told Sextus what happened, who realised that his father wished him to put to death all the most eminent people of Gabii, which he then did.
In modern Australasia, tall poppy syndrome is frequently invoked as an explanation when a public figure is on the receiving end of negative publicity — even if such publicity can be seen as a result of that person's own misconduct.
Australians and New Zealanders have a reputation for resenting the success of others; whether this reputation is deserved is another question. Many Australasians have achieved success and wealth without attracting such hostility (e.g. Dick Smith). Apparent cases of tall poppy syndrome can often be explained as resentment not of success but of snobbery and arrogance, combined with an egalitarian attitude. Thus, Australians and New Zealanders are often self-deprecating, especially those in the public eye.
Belief in the strength of this cultural phenomenon, and the degree to which it represents a negative trait, is to some extent influenced by politics. Conservative commentators, particularly city-based ones, often criticise Australians for their desire to punish the successful. Sometimes, the tall poppy syndrome is claimed to be linked to the concept of 'The Politics of Envy'. Critics of the tall poppy syndrome sometimes compare Australia unfavourably to the United States in this respect, in the belief that Americans generally appreciate the successful as an example to admire and attempt to emulate.
However, this phenomenon is often misinterpreted by foreign observers. For the majority of the population, the targets are those who are seen as taking themselves too seriously or flaunting their success without humility.
Tall poppy syndrome may well be a universal phenomenon, accentuated in some cultures. The concept of janteloven, or "Jante law", in Scandinavia is very similar. Similar phenomena exist in Canada and the Netherlands where many commentators have also noticed a tendency to distrust or resent the successful. In the United States, public schools are periodically criticised for acting as a Handicapper General.
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| Re: Im an Aussie and this is a typical Media reaction said by peerimpact :Tall poppy syndrome (TPS) is a term used in Australasia for a levelling social attitude, pushed to the point of bad behaviour. Someone has tall poppy syndrome when they are envious, defamatory, or overly critical of someone because of their notionally higher economic, social or political position... ...Tall poppy syndrome is also used to refer to the notion that when people feel small they believe it is due to the fact that other 'poppies' are taller than they. Therefore they seek to denigrate these individuals. Nice job on the copy paste their bro. I thought maybe you were intelligent at first until i found the exact same text from wikipedia. All that stuff you copied pasted is BS anyways, because this guy became rich the SLEAZY way. Rich people do not bother me at all, especially because I myself would love to be rich. However, when you build your fortune like this guy did, why the hell should he get any respect. I hope you feel happy that you defended this guy the next time your trying to remove spyware and malware from your computer, knowing your troubles are what "earned" him his money. | |
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Winnipeg, MB
| If a real crime had paid for his training he would be banned Since this spam and spyware money supported Begg-Smith and allowed him to train, I think Begg-Smith would likely have been barred by the Austalian Olympic Federation for failure to live up to the Olympic ideal.
But he didn't commit an officially criminal act.
We IT users and professionals have not lobbied and persuaded our elected officials to make the act of spamming and creating or spreading spyware serious crimes -- so legally he has done nothing wrong.
As citizens of democracies, it is our duty to bring the law in line with the consensus of citizens as to what is immoral.
It is not good enough to simply make money off of repairing the damage guys like this do.
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Luvfishin
Cancer Sucks
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Canada
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| Hmmm I have been following his story for a while. Interesting.
He certainly does two things well, ski and spam. He should have to pay back anyone who got screwed via his firm. jmho
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andyb
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SW Ontario | No Sponsors? If he is popular then yes he has sponsors.The money just goes into a trust fund untill they quit amateur or go pro. | |
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golgoj4
join:2005-10-19
Los Angeles, CA | Re: No Sponsors? Note to self: decent population of bbr users support sheisty business dealings...
he was 13 when he started it, so that make his less responsible for being a spammer? | |
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