  kapilThe Kapil
join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL | Want! Come to Chicago! | |
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1 edit | Low latency and unlimited has more value than high Mbps Under 50ms latency is impressive. I can't think of a phone app that needs more than 4Mbps. Low latency at 4-10Mbps will have more impact to apps/web browsing performance than 10-20Mbps with higher latency.
Sprint said LTE will also be unlimited (for smartphones, not hotspot devices). And now that they are on 1900Mhz instead of 2.5Ghz, wherever there is a voice signal there should be LTE. And then when they go to 800Mhz, they'll be on par with ATT/VZW on indoor coverage, possibly better since Sprint has more sites closer together. | |
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| compPremium
join:2001-08-16
Cranberry Twp, PA | Re: Low latency and unlimited has more value than high Mbps This will be interesting if they can complete this build the way they are saying | |
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| | | | Re: Low latency and unlimited has more value than high Mbps I don't see that happening. Too much debit will kill them in the end- especially with not enough $$$. They may claim they're ahead of the game now. but that is now and we only go by what they claim. And 2 or 3 markets is NOTHING when you're selling the new LTE devices nation wide with no 4g network at all for those- total waste of money currently on those.
People would be better to wait. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: Low latency and unlimited has more value than high Mbps Wait until...? | |
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1 edit | said by 25139889:I don't see that happening.
This reminds me when Sprint acquired Nextel had poor customer service and they started losing customers, many said that Sprint would soon go bankrupt. Well they are still here and making things better. Customer service is better than others and the LTE network is actually being rolled out. They've gotten past the dark years and are now getting back on track.
Do you honestly think they'll just go away or stop the upgrades? | |
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| | | | | | Re: Low latency and unlimited has more value than high Mbps said by xenophon:said by 25139889:I don't see that happening.
This reminds me when Sprint acquired Nextel had poor customer service and they started losing customers, many said that Sprint would soon go bankrupt. Well they are still here and making things better. Customer service is better than others and the LTE network is actually being rolled out. They've gotten past the dark years and are now getting back on track. very true, I wouldnt count them out yet, sprint and t-mobile along with clear are the only ones that can bring serious competition to the market, here within the last year we start to see it more and more, IF clear and sprint do actually role out LTE-Advanced to before the others theirs is no telling what will happen, verizon and at&t will be scrambiling to do the same, granted this is LTE not advanced like what was talked about I wouldnt doubt that it isnt possible
and im a AT&T user with no 4g area :\ but who cares cap is so low its unusable anyways and 3g which was brought to my area last year "believe it or not!!" is now bogged down so badly that it only pushes 2mbps at times if that, and the ping is 2000 or so.., they really cant keep the 3g up to par | |
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| | | | | | Yup - Sprint has no choice but to deploy quickly and in large scale.
They can't afford an AT&T style - many year endless buildout | |
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join:2001-03-21
Smyrna, GA | Re: Low latency and unlimited has more value than high Mbps I'm picking it up just NW of downtown Atlanta. Didn't have the best signal inside but was pretty happy with it. | |
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join:2001-03-21
Smyrna, GA | Re: Low latency and unlimited has more value than high Mbps Nothing you can do on your end. There are just random towers active. Maybe for testing or maybe they didn't lock it down correctly. Not sure but that is the only place I've had the LTE signal in the Atlanta area. Back to regular 3G at home.... | |
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Low latency and unlimited has more value than high Mbps The Atlanta/Athens market is still being deployed, they do have some towers that are open to the public but they only stay open to the public for a few days at a time and then they have the tower marked as testing so no one can connect until they announce the market or can provide sufficient coverage. You should look forward to seeing LTE go live towards the end of next month. | |
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| Sammer
join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA | said by xenophon:Low latency at 4-10Mbps will have more impact to apps/web browsing performance than 10-20Mbps with higher latency.
Sprint said LTE will also be unlimited (for smartphones, not hotspot devices). And now that they are on 1900Mhz instead of 2.5Ghz, wherever there is a voice signal there should be LTE.
Hopefully they'll have LTE-Advanced on all three bands someday. 2.5 GHz is the only one that can use 40 MHz channels for blazing fast future data transmissions and while it's not something everyone needs everyday it's still useful. | |
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| | | | Re: Low latency and unlimited has more value than high Mbps I doubt smartphones will see or have a need for 100Mbps+ connections in the near future. The 40Mhz will be more useful for maintaining 5-10Mbps range for more users than giving fewer users more bandwidth than needed. | |
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| | | | | Re: Low latency and unlimited has more value than high Mbps said by xenophon:I doubt smartphones will see or have a need for 100Mbps+ connections in the near future. The 40Mhz will be more useful for maintaining 5-10Mbps range for more users than giving fewer users more bandwidth than needed.
For normal uses, I think they should give customers mostly uncapped speed. Is it valid to say that 100 people each downloading a 100MB at random intervals during an hour's time would trample on the spectrum more if they were each limited to 1Mbps? Each of their downloads would take 13 minutes, while if they could download at 22Mbps each download would complete in roughly 30 seconds, leaving 12.5 minutes of time unused.
It probably plays better on a small network at home or as an idea in my head than with thousands or millions of users in the real world, but this is the scenario I always think about when I hear about this. | |
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join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON | Re: Low latency and unlimited has more value than high Mbps said by talz13:said by xenophon:I doubt smartphones will see or have a need for 100Mbps+ connections in the near future. The 40Mhz will be more useful for maintaining 5-10Mbps range for more users than giving fewer users more bandwidth than needed.
For normal uses, I think they should give customers mostly uncapped speed. Is it valid to say that 100 people each downloading a 100MB at random intervals during an hour's time would trample on the spectrum more if they were each limited to 1Mbps? Each of their downloads would take 13 minutes, while if they could download at 22Mbps each download would complete in roughly 30 seconds, leaving 12.5 minutes of time unused. It probably plays better on a small network at home or as an idea in my head than with thousands or millions of users in the real world, but this is the scenario I always think about when I hear about this. What you're saying makes sense. It can also be beneficial with regards to CPU utilization and battery use. | |
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| | Wimax vs LTE Anyone know if the LTE network in Dallas had to pilfer spectrum from the Wimax network, or will the Wimax network remain an option in Dallas for the foreseeable future? | |
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| | | Re: Wimax vs LTE WiMAX is staying for a while. Sprint's pre-paid networks will use WiMax - Virgin/Boost.
Network Vision is a separate infrastructure with more backhaul. | |
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| Sammer
join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA | WiMAX is usually Clearwire 2.5 GHz spectrum and they have plenty of it. Clearwire has not started their LTE network yet but they have enough spectrum (cash?) in most areas to operate it side by side with WiMAX for awhile. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: Wimax vs LTE Cash. They have tons of spectrum. | |
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| iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Different infrastructure in every way, so no degradation to WiMAX when LTE is deployed. | |
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join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY | "No Data" Option There's still no word on LTE pricing, but Sprint executives are on record saying that it should mirror existing WiMax pricing, and that there will continue to be an unlimited data option. I wish they would offer a "No Data" option and shave $15 or so a month from the bill. I do not use it and would prefer not to have it enabled. Heck, I would even opt for a 10MB cap if they offered it for next to nothing.
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| iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: "No Data" Option You still want a smartphone with that? You know that Android and iOS PDAs exist eight? | |
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| | n2jtx
join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY | Re: "No Data" Option said by iansltx:You still want a smartphone with that? You know that Android and iOS PDAs exist eight?
Yes. In fact I am replying using my iPhone 4S. I just do not use the 3G data because it became pointless due to the lousy service. CableWiFi is available just about everywhere I need data so I have had no need to flip the cellular data switch back on. I used an iPod Touch 4G before being given the iPhone so I was comfortable with the availability of WiFi. When I found I could not use YouTube, Siri or stream audio running 128KB/sec with Sprint data service I said "f" it and left it off. On the bright side, my battery lasts longer.
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join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
kudos:1 | Re: "No Data" Option get prepaid. | |
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 TsumePremium
join:2004-02-23
Johnson City, TN | Sprint's network is crap Dialup speeds on their 3g network are still commonplace. I thought it was maybe just my area, but I took a trip to Huntsville this past weekend and Sprint somehow managed to suck even more in that area. In my house I get 1 bar EVDO but can usually pull 200-300kbps (with WIFI off, obviously). In downtown Johnson City I get full bars EVDO and can't even pull up google.com. It was the same situation where I was at in Huntsville.
I don't know if they can be trusted to run an LTE network. What happens when people actually start using it? Will it suffer the same fate as their 3G network? | |
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| iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
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| Re: Sprint's network is crap In a word, no. Sprint pretty much stopped upgrading their network awhile back when they bet on Clear WiMAX. Thus, the network has gone to pot. Now that they're rolling out NV, they are putting enough capacity in to make the network reasonable on 3G (1.2-2 Mbps) and speedy on LTE (6-10 Mbps under load).
As a fellow Sprint customer, their network is barely usable in many areas (though dropped calls are super-rare). But, as NV gets rolled out, it'll get better. It'll tae awhile though...Sprint has over 38,000 cell sites, and about 850 of them have NV online now. | |
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| | | | Re: Sprint's network is crap This shows the details of the Network Vision rollout. See second half of document..
»www.dropbox.com/s/6m5k0tjsegmms7···sion.PDF
Page 39 shows an example how NV will improve 3G coverage.
Page 41 shows expected improvement of 4G/LTE coverage (compared to WiMAX)
When the rollout is complete, wherever the is a voice signal, there will be LTE and with a lot more backhaul than what they have today. | |
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| | | Re: Also in other locations Man, look at those low pings in Atlanta...
And over 40Mbps seen outside Chicago...
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| | | | | Re: Also in other locations But Tmob is not unlimited. Tmob throttles after a certain point, I've heard under 100kbps for some users.
Sprint says LTE will be fully unlimited for smartphones (not hotspots though). | |
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join:2001-04-21
San Diego, CA
kudos:4 | Re: Also in other locations Yup. But you know the "HSPA+ isn't real 4g" crowd. lol | |
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| | | | | | | Re: Also in other locations 4G is just a marketing term. Tmob is in play, just not fully unlimited. | |
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| | Also another laught I do live in texas, and to see sprint taking aim at AT&T's MAIN HEADQUARTERS AREA is funny!!, Im a AT&T customer but I love nothin more to see them fall!
anyways maybe maybe one day.......(naw never mind they got way to much money and investment into crap they are to big to fail... but o well I can dream) | |
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join:2003-06-19
San Francisco, CA Reviews:
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| 800mhz spectrum? Sounds and looks good if sprint gets this out there. But I'm wondering if the new current released sprint LTE phones will have the new 800mhz radio set? If not, these current phones are obsolete already.
Still wishing sprint has a wimax+lte phone, cuz I'm happy with wimax coverage where I'm at. Btw, in good wimax coverage cities like Seattle, it is really not that bad at all.
I still have 1 more year before I can replace my OG evo4g, so i can wait to see how this NV deploement will work out. | |
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| | | Re: 800mhz spectrum? If I understand right, the new LTE phones are able to do 800Mhz voice/3G but not 800Mhz LTE because it just now got approved by FCC. You'll need to upgrade your phone for 800Mhz LTE when they start appearing. Most upgrade smartphones every 1-2 years anyway.
Probably not practical for phone makes to do WiMAX/LTE combos. When LTE is out though, will have better penetration than WiMAX since LTE is at lower band. | |
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|  Smith6612Premium,MVM
join:2008-02-01
North Tonawanda, NY
kudos:22 | Re: Russia??? I've seen some test servers on speedtest.net be hosted in the US despite having .ru TLDs. The server could also be attached to a CDN, too. | |
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| tiger72SexaT duorPPremium
join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
kudos:1 | Re: Thats very interesting to hear... said by SprintTech :However I work for sprint and my tools for network coverage show a no for LTE coverage in all markets....nice try though.
yeah....
»s4gru.com/ | |
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| | http://network.sprint.com Has anyone visited »network.sprint.com as Sprint has been working on their 3G network heavily in all areas! Just in my area Fort Lauderdale/Miami Sprint has and will be making over 700+ tower upgrades! On that site you can also see the location of all of Sprints towers. This site has nothing to do with the Network Vision though so you won't find an LTE information. Everything on that site is strictly normal 3G improvements.
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| | I wouldn't believe any performance data from Sprint.... I've been to a few Sprint executive briefing and they tend to over hype. And they like to change the term of service, so contract mean nothing to them.
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