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FCC maintains status quo, to kill Skype's efforts at open wireless networks...
04:27PM Tuesday Apr 01 2008 by Karl
tags: competition · fcc · business · wireless · Op/Ed · networking · net-neutrality · Verizon Wireless Broadband
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Since last year, Skype executives have been trying to get the FCC's consumer broadband principles (pdf) -- which state you can use any software or hardware you like on broadband networks -- applied to the wireless industry. Given all the talk by carriers, the press and the FCC about how we've turned the corner in the quest for open networks, you'd expect that such a demand would be a possibility, right? Wrong.

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Speaking to wireless carriers at the CTIA wireless conference in Las Vegas, FCC boss Kevin Martin stated that the agency should reject Skype's request, given the FCC has already gone far enough in encouraging open access rules. He also stated that Verizon's new "open access" promises make such rules unnecessary:
"In light of the industry's embrace of this more open approach, I think it's premature for the commission to place any other requirements on these networks," Martin said. "Today I'm going to circulate to my fellow commissioners an order dismissing the petition by Skype that would apply Carterfone requirements to existing wireless networks."
But in reality, the rules the FCC applied to the 700Mhz spectrum (now largely owned by Verizon) are only marginally enforceable and likely won't be much of an obstacle for Verizon lawyers and lobbyists. Meanwhile, Verizon's "open access" promise so far consists of little more than making actual consumer choice a high-price luxury tier. Neither guarantees much of anything when it comes to open wireless networks or consumer choice.

Martin's position also does nothing to ease the image that he's hard on the cable industry but gives preference to the major telcos. He's tough as nails when it comes to Comcast traffic shaping impacting competitors like Vuze, insisting that empty promises to cease throttling by year's end aren't enough. Yet here Martin is perfectly happy with Verizon's vague promises to open up their own network within the same time frame.

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DaveNJ
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join:1999-09-01
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LTE and GSM

I think Verizon is going to have to follow ATT when LTE becomes the norm. Since GSM (means EDGE, UMTS, LTE) allows just about any phone to work on a gsm/umts system. Verizon will not have an option. When 4G comes around in 2-4yrs. Its be open or loose customers.

Karl
News Guy
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Re: LTE and GSM

Dragged kicking and screaming all the way.

LTE billed by the byte is very likely. Still think they'll fight tooth and nail against being wireless dumb pipes for as long as is possible....

pnh102
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Re: LTE and GSM

said by Karl See Profile :

Dragged kicking and screaming all the way.
With regards to open devices, I don't follow. Ever since AT&T went to GSM you could pretty much use any GSM phone that you could get your hands on with them, provided it supported US GSM bands.

I suppose you can also do the same thing with T-Mobile, provided the phone is not magenta.
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aaron83_01
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It's Kevin's fault

The FCC doesn't want open access to wireless networks because Kevie favors phone companies. No secret there. If Kevin stepped down, the Death Star would stop growing and phone companies would have to play by the same rules as everyone else.
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Re: It's Kevin's fault

said by aaron83_01 See Profile :

..If Kevin stepped down, the Death Star would stop growing and phone companies would have to play by the same rules as everyone else.
don't get me wrong, I would love to see this, but what makes you think that is going to happen when Martin steps down?

although the democrats on the commission seem to actually get that they are supposed to be looking out for the public good, they have been so wishy washy while in the minority, I wouldn't be looking for any bold moves that actually hold the incumbents accountable when they become the majority.
tdar

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As with so many other things we will get no relief until we have a new president to appoint a new leader for the FCC. I hope that our fellow citizens understand how important it is for us to elect the right president.

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Re: It's Kevin's fault

said by tdar See Profile :

As with so many other things we will get no relief until we have a new president to appoint a new leader for the FCC. I hope that our fellow citizens understand how important it is for us to elect the right president.
Correct. Vote for McCain.
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nasadude

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Re: It's Kevin's fault

said by TK Junk Mail See Profile :

Vote for McCain.
you do seem to like the way things are now, so voting for the person that will keep it that way makes sense to me.

aaron83_01
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Thanks for informing us of your political agenda, however, that stuff belongs here: »/forum/watercooler

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Re: It's Kevin's fault

said by aaron83_01 See Profile :

Thanks for informing us of your political agenda, however, that stuff belongs here: »/forum/watercooler
I didn't bring up the subject of electing the RIGHT president. I just replied to it. And nobody made you a moderator.
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shoe1

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Question.......

Im sorry but what exactly do they mean by "open access."

RadioDoc
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Re: Question.......

It means you can use your own equipment (as in not locked to and/or restricted by a provider) on any compatible network. The Carterfone Decision referenced is what cracked the Bell stranglehold on phone equipment, allowing end users to buy and use their own stuff instead of renting everything from Ma.

In this context you could use any device with the proper technology, as in any smartphone or wireless tethering device not just those provided by the wireless carrier.
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Transmaster
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edit:
April 1st, @05:09PM

All hail Sterquilinus


The FCC under Powell
 

The FCC under Martin
 
I can't tell any difference, can you?

(Sterquilinus is the ancient Roman God of manure)
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nasadude

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Re: All hail Sterquilinus

said by Transmaster See Profile :

I can't tell any difference, can you?...
well, they are different piles.

I think Martin's pile looks worse.
patcat88

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said by Transmaster See Profile :

I can't tell any difference, can you?
One eats more fiber than the other.
Desdinova

join:2003-01-26
Gaithersburg, MD

Re: All hail Sterquilinus

"One eats more fiber than the other."

And one eats more cable...

KrK
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The grass looks Greener under Powell's pile... but I think that's largely a co-incidence....
EPS

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Good

If Skype wants its own open wireless network, then they should do what the big players did and buy their own spectrum- er, this isn't anywhere near true as the original distribution of cellular spectrum was nowhere near as expensive and complicated as it was today, but...

But honestly, if the FCC is going to enforce provisions that hinder the cellular carrier's ability to make a profit after the cellular carriers have already set up systems under the current regulations, there should be sort of compensation- with the 700MHz auction, everyone knew there would be those provisions from the beginning.

RadioDoc
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Re: Good

The original distribution of cellular spectrum was before application and licensing fees were imposed by Congress, and was essentially free.
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EPS

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Re: Good

Exactly, which is what I was referring to when I said "nowhere near as expensive and complicated"... I believe it was divided into two blocks, with one guaranteed to the local telephone monopoly and the other for competition (most of which ended up as part of "the old" AT&T Wireless as far I as know)

RadioDoc
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Re: Good

As a matter of accuracy, it is only as expensive as the bidders make it. The reserve prices are based on prior auctions and are not carved in stone.
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Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO

Hey good idea. Every app that can be developed to work on a smart phone and over the airwaves should require the creator of said app to also create a wireless carrier, build a wireless network, and then they can start distributing that app.

While we are at it let's extend this to broadband as well. MS should have to create their own internet so that IE can utilize broadband.
EPS

join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA

Re: Good

No, but they shouldn't get to force other companies to support their business model... If there is a consumer demand for open wireless networks, then why not build one?

Actually, that's what Sprint is doing with WiMAX, right? If the openness of WiMAX becomes a popular selling point, other networks will be forced to follow by the market (just look at unlimited plans)- without the government forcing anything.
qworster

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This surprises you?

I never expected Kevin Martin to anything but what he did. After all, he's 100% bought and paid for by the phone companies.

AND...he's so freakin' arrogant he doesn't even try to hide it any more.

He's just greasing his palm to the max before he gets shown the door next year.

Just watch-it's VP of an ILEC for him after that!

huntml

join:2002-01-23
Mullica Hill, NJ

Re: This surprises you?

I think he has political aspirations.

So rather than directly to VP of an ILEC, you'll probably see him running for statewide political office in his home state (NC?), with a sh*tload of telco PAC money in his back pocket.

If that doesn't work out going on payroll with an ILEC wiill be Option #2.

LeeRich

@myvzw.com

Re: This surprises you?

I mean I read somewhere that the NC Democratic Party filed a FOIA request asking for his travel records to the state. Just to make sure he isn't campaigning for office the government dime. This is going to be great.
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