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New York, NY | Re: Powerboost doesn't make users reach caps faster No it does allow users to download more in the same slot of time. So you do get to the caps quicker. | |
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TKJunkMail
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| Re: Powerboost doesn't make users reach caps faster said by grandpinaple  :No it does allow users to download more in the same slot of time. So you do get to the caps quicker. NO. You only get to the caps quicker if you download MORE FILES. Some people don't understand the difference between speed and volume of traffic.
Only those with the non-stop P2P mindset where they download 24x7 think volume and speed are the same thing.
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| Re: Powerboost doesn't make users reach caps faster said by TKJunkMail :said by grandpinaple :No it does allow users to download more in the same slot of time. So you do get to the caps quicker. NO. You only get to the caps quicker if you download MORE FILES. Some people don't understand the difference between speed and volume of traffic. Only those with the non-stop P2P mindset where they download 24x7 think volume and speed are the same thing. Yep, you nailed it.
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I think the author is assuming that browsing will be snappier, and therefore customers will be likely to perhaps do a little more browsing, resulting in the possibility of reaching the caps faster. Of course that would also be assuming they would increase their browsing enough to actually reach the caps. Otherwise it is a mute point/issue.
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zachary1
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right here | Well it should be unlimited WITHOUT caps, HCT.
By the way, there are good minds IN government, too. | |
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TigerLord
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| Person #1 wants to download 10x 4.5GB torrents and requires
1 week to do it
Person #2 wants to download 10x 4.5GB torrents and requires
3 days to do it
Once person #2 is done with his downloads, will he leave bandwith unused or will he target other torrents?
Probably option #2. So yes you end up downloading more by interim. | |
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1 edit | Re: Powerboost doesn't make users reach caps faster said by TigerLord :Person #1 wants to download 10x 4.5GB torrents and requires 1 week to do it Person #2 wants to download 10x 4.5GB torrents and requires 3 days to do it Once person #2 is done with his downloads, will he leave bandwith unused or will he target other torrents? Probably option #2. So yes you end up downloading more by interim. Powerboost is not constant. You can't cut down 10x4.5GB from 1 week to 3 days with PB. Maybe you'll shed a couple hours off, but nothing drastic that will cause the user to feel like they must download other stuff. | |
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| Re: Powerboost doesn't make users reach caps faster Kinda true, kinda not.
There are clients out there, that re-set the connection to re-get the burst speed. It all depends on how Powerboost is setup - Some do it for 5-10 seconds, some do it for 10-20 Mb... a half second "Reset", to get double/whatever speed your getting, is worth it.
This of course happened when Powerboost first came out... not sure if it still works, or if the Client that supported this for BT/Newsgroups is still in production. | |
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| said by TKJunkMail :said by grandpinaple :No it does allow users to download more in the same slot of time. So you do get to the caps quicker. NO. You only get to the caps quicker if you download MORE FILES. Some people don't understand the difference between speed and volume of traffic. Only those with the non-stop P2P mindset where they download 24x7 think volume and speed are the same thing. You're right, but frankly I thougth the implication was quite obvious in the article - that you would end up downloading more because now you had more free time due to the faster download of your smaller files, and hence - reach your cap quicker. The person you responded to is not incorrect with this implication. | |
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2 edits | Your assumption that everyone who will download larger amounts of content in the future will be p2ping is ludicrous. With higher speeds comes more choice and innovation meaning non p2p users will be downloading a lot. Oh and this is only intended for people who consistently download large files. Certainly not the average web surfer. If people can get their files quicker they will be more inclined to download more in the same time period. Not in the situation of game patch downloads etc, but certainly in the case of content downloads. | |
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dvd536
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Phoenix, AZ | is this optional? it'd suck to be forced to pay for it if you're on a loaded node.
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| Re: ok.... said by ok09980800980 :
So...Comcast is licensing this to Shaw, after Cox licensed this to Comcast? Please clarify if I'm wrong...
I don't know if the BBR news item here is right or wrong, but it does say that Comcast licensed Powerboost to both Cox and Shaw. | |
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join:2002-04-20
canada | Re: ok.... Good for Shaw customers, I hope my ISP will also license this technology. We are at 5 megabits down and 768 kb up, with no sign of having higher speed tiers anytime soon, so this could be a good solution in the meantime. | |
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| Disable it. Might get an extra 100KB - 200KB extra, no difference in browsing the web or http downloads. It may push bandwidth test from the typical 95xxkpbs to about 10xxxkbps. As far as I know this does not impact FTP, p2p or news groups.
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1 edit | Practically useless. Well, that's my opinion anyways.
Consider that most web sites are not even capable of giving you 10mbps to start with. In that case (which applies to the greater majority of websites), the boost becomes useless.
Besides, since the boost lasts only a few seconds, even on websites where you can achieve those speeds, the time you save is almost negligible on large files. On smaller files, 14 seconds or 7 seconds, who cares?
Powerboost won't change anything to torrents, so I won't even go there.
Overall, Powerboost is nothing more than a marketing tool to sucker more people to sign up with Shaw Extreme-I. In reality, you can't even tell the difference, save for artificially inflated speed tests (oh look it makes Shaw look artificially better too). | |
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | Re: Practically useless. Yep. See $3 a month to download 500 MB a mere 24 seconds faster? | |
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join:2002-04-20
canada
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| I disagree. If it means loading a webpage in 2.5 seconds instead of 10 seconds, it is worth it. Say you do half an hour of surfing, and in half the websites you can use the 10+ megabitsé well you saved a sizable amount of time IMO. Enough to make it worth it. The point of this is to speed the loading of things that 90% of their clients use, and if you view it as such powerboost is a good thing. | |
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join:2007-09-04
Edmonton, AB
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2 edits | Re: Practically useless. Theoretically, yes.
In reality, no. Most websites can't give you those speeds to begin with.
Remember, your speed while browsing is at the mercy of the site's web server, no matter how much of a fast connection you may have. Some web servers don't even have more than 10mbps of bandwidth to begin with, while others may restrict the maximum speed a single IP may get from their server, but the most common issue is that the web server has so much traffic on it that it can't spare you 10mbps of it's bandwidth.
And that's just one possible slowdown point. How fast a web server responds to queries can also greatly affect loading times on web pages with a large number of objects. This can be affected by ping times as well as the server itself. Even if there is ample throughput, this can be enough to slow browsing to a crawl. | |
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spanglo
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San Diego, CA | Re: Practically useless. Definitely useless considering it only works for a few meager seconds. Powerboost my upload while you're at it and maybe you'll change my opinion slightly. | |
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Omaha, NE | powerboost only lasts for a few seconds not the whole download. | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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Phoenix, AZ
| Re: Practically useless. said by ajwees41 :powerboost only lasts for a few seconds not the whole download. Unless you're on a node where its screwed up.
my friend in chandler AZ is *still* getting "permaboost"
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| said by TheMG :Well, that's my opinion anyways. Consider that most web sites are not even capable of giving you 10mbps to start with. In that case (which applies to the greater majority of websites), the boost becomes useless. Besides, since the boost lasts only a few seconds, even on websites where you can achieve those speeds, the time you save is almost negligible on large files. On smaller files, 14 seconds or 7 seconds, who cares? Powerboost won't change anything to torrents, so I won't even go there. Overall, Powerboost is nothing more than a marketing tool to sucker more people to sign up with Shaw Extreme-I. In reality, you can't even tell the difference, save for artificially inflated speed tests (oh look it makes Shaw look artificially better too). Not true.. Just because you don't have a fast ISP doesn't mean the web isn't moving towards faster content delivery.... | |
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| Bursting Motorola's Canopy platform also has the ability of bursting, which may or may not be the same as this PowerBoost 'technology'.
This helps small WISPS out there that need to control speeds, they can set a burst limit of nMB and the subscriber will be able to transfer in/out nMB at whatever is available at that time from the fixed access point. I find that a burst rate such as 5MB is decent in place of sustained rates, especially in the market area I'm in. This enables the customer to view webpages, send/receive email, stream media at up to 14mbps (5ghz) or up to 4mbps (900mhz) at unrestricted* speeds until nMB has been reached then it is throttled back to a committed information rate, of say 768kbps, and the token queue is then refilled at that rate and ...well, you get the idea.
I do this for free on our network. Granted, I have not looked into 'Powerboost' to see it's innerworkings, but at first glance I'm assuming it's similar to the burst rate tqb used in Motorola Canopy software.
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| The brainwashing begins... This "Powerburst" bushwah introduces the concepts of tiered internet, class denominated traffic w/premium rates for "burst" speeds/higher caps, leading to pay by the byte access. Pretty soon, the cable bill will look like the telephone bill, and nobody will get anything done at "standard" package speeds/caps, so there will be preferential pricing/service for those able to pay more, while those who cannot will see a degradation of service, and the network capacity/speed will not expand. Equivalent to raising prices without the associated costs growing the network capacity/speed would entail; higher ROI w/o the I. | |
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| Re: The brainwashing begins... said by ross :This "Powerburst" bushwah introduces the concepts of tiered internet, class denominated traffic [...]; higher ROI w/o the I. You couldn't have nailed it better with a nail gun at a million PSI.
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join:2004-03-02
Chilliwack, BC | technical support calls I am sure that this will reduce the number of calls that they get about slow speeds which is probobly why they did it | |
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join:2002-08-20
Winnipeg, MB
| Sounds just right for most users This sounds just about right to me—a noticeable improvement for web power users. If it works as advertised, it will improve the experience when I watch higher-quality movie trailers, browse media-intensive web pages, buy music, or download medium to large sized software and updates. Less waiting around while I am using the machine.
(I would like it to work for HTTP, FTP, and SFTP uploads for website administration too, but that's too much to hope for.)
If you're a heavy downloader, then pay the extra $10 for Xtreme-I, or $63 (!) for Nitro, and you get a full-time performance boost. What do you expect for three bucks a month?
(I think Shaw is now using Bittorrent bandwidth capping, but that's a separate issue.) | |
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