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Want wireless banned in all public buildings...
03:40PM Friday May 23 2008 by Karl Bode
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There's no scientific evidence that Wi-Fi is a health hazard, but that hasn't stopped those who believe otherwise from trying to stop Wi-Fi deployment. Teachers have sued schools to derail installs, while angel guidance consultants have launched campaigns against Wi-Fi in their free time. The latest war on Wi-Fi is in Santa Fe, New Mexico, where a group is trying to ban Wi-Fi in public buildings. The group tells one local news station (the video is worth a watch) that by ignoring their sensitivity to Wi-Fi signals, the city is violating the Americans with Disabilities Act. I'd think that you'd need to actually prove Wi-Fi to be a health hazard first, but what do I know.

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Napsterbater
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Lets test him....

Maybe someone should set up some AP's around his property (without him knowing) with directional antennas pointed at it and see if he can feel them =P, and while you at it turn up the power to 251mw =P

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Re: Lets test him....

said by Napsterbater See Profile :

Maybe someone should set up some AP's around his property (without him knowing) with directional antennas pointed at it and see if he can feel them =P, and while you at it turn up the power to 251mw =P
How about my 721 mW High power buffalo router

maybe setup 20 or 30 of them
they need to be banned from using any of these things

microwaves they run at 2.4GHz ALSO! 1200WATTS of power

Stoves they put out infered radation

or anything that runs on power
cornelius785

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Re: Lets test him....

sure the microwave may use 1200W, but how much actaully gets out into the room? probably not alot considering the magnetron (the device that radiates the microwaves) is kept in a small (or large) metal cage that in theory, no microwaves leak out, in reality, only a small amount leaks out probably (don't know exactly, so look it up if you're interested). if it wasn't in a metal cage, well some funky (electronic devices freak out) or deadly (literal cooking of yourself) stuff will be happening.

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Re: Lets test him....

But enough DOES leak out to interfere with wireless routers - so if this guy is 'allergic' to the tiny signal put out by a router, he should be equally allergic to the small amount of leakage from a microwave oven.

Or a cordless phone.
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Re: Lets test him....

Cordless phones use more radiation. Is this guy allergic to them too?
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said by cornelius785 See Profile :

sure the microwave may use 1200W, but how much actaully gets out into the room? probably not alot considering the magnetron (the device that radiates the microwaves) is kept in a small (or large) metal cage that in theory, no microwaves leak out, in reality, only a small amount leaks out probably (don't know exactly, so look it up if you're interested). if it wasn't in a metal cage, well some funky (electronic devices freak out) or deadly (literal cooking of yourself) stuff will be happening.
Cellphone drops call when closer than 1 inch to a seam at the door. Does not drop call when microwave is off.

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I'll bet they would complain about harm to their health even
if the devices weren't connected to a power source (and thus
not transmitting anything).

In a previous story here on Wi-Fi tinfoil hattery, one
poster related just such a story. The device had been put
up on the pole, but no power had been applied yet. But some
idiots still said they felt harmful effects from it.
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yet nobody has complained about the airport yet which uses radar and many radars use microwaves which is somewhere in the 2.4ghz band as a radar is pretty much similar tech to a microwave oven(heck its how the cooking was discovered)
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Proof of Harm is a Requirement

to any litigation involving public health.

And no, you can't just say "it makes my tummy tingle".

Wifi sensitivity as a disability? This is an insult to people with REAL disabilities.
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Re: Proof of Harm is a Requirement


said by hairspring See Profile :

Wifi sensitivity as a disability? This is an insult to people with REAL disabilities.
/agree

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said by hairspring See Profile :

to any litigation involving public health.

And no, you can't just say "it makes my tummy tingle".

Wifi sensitivity as a disability? This is an insult to people with REAL disabilities.
I agree. Just hoping my extensive cellphone use doesn't cause brain cancer.
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The ADA only requires that reasonable accomodations be made to address the needs of disabled individuals, not that the world come to a screeching halt on their behalf.
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they have to prove a handicap or disability to be covered by any ADA rules, being a tinfoil hat moron claiming they are sensitive to wifi isnt proof of jack. all people covered by the ADA have a medically proven handicap of some form.
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said by hairspring See Profile :

Wifi sensitivity as a disability? This is an insult to people with REAL disabilities.
Oh these guys are disabled alright.

They are disabled in the general area between the ears, behind the eyes, and underneath their hair....
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Anyone against Wi-Fi...

...should be banned from ever using ANY type of wireless communications. Cell and cordless phones, PDAs, iPod Touch, etc.
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The logical extension...

I'm allergic to idiocy. It makes me want to punch people in the face. The laws against punching people in the face are therefore a violation of the Americans with Disabilities act, and should not apply to me.
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Re: The logical extension...

said by russotto See Profile :

I'm allergic to idiocy. It makes me want to punch people in the face. The laws against punching people in the face are therefore a violation of the Americans with Disabilities act, and should not apply to me.
I have this disability also.

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Add me as another with this disability. Thanks for bringing that to light. I've lived my whole life not understanding why I wanted to punch these people in the face. . .

cruzinmy64

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I guess we can't discriminate against these people ...

I guess we can't discriminate against these people who are MENTALLY ILL!

WiFi is typically 0.05 watt (50mw) or some are a little higher at 0.10 watt (100 mw). Not much different than home cordless phones! I guarantee more "radiation"leaks from a microwave oven than this! (Microwave ovens are about 1000watts)

They first should have an issue with ... PCS Cell phones 0.2 watt, Analog cell phones 0.6-3.0 watt, Family walkie talkies FRS type radios up to 5.0 watts, CB radios at 4watt to 50 watt, police radios at more than 5 watts, very small boat radar at 4000 watts, TV towers at 50,000 watt. Heck - bananas are "radioactive" due to potassium! Radon gas from the EARTH is radioactive.

I'm suck of idiots like this..

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May 23rd, @04:20PM

And then there are those who swear they are affected

»www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/artic···ife.html
But beneath the coats of magnolia paint, she points out, the walls are lined with a special paper that contains a layer of tin-foil; and upstairs, the windows are hung with a fine, silvery gauze.




Sarah, 51, is one of a growing band of people who claim to be experiencing extreme - and incapacitating - sensitivity to electrical appliances, as well as to certain frequencies of electromagnetic waves.

"Wi-Fi, or wireless broadband networks, seem to be the worst thing," she says.

"Closely followed by mobile phones - particularly if they're being used in an enclosed space - the base stations of cordless telephones and mobile phone masts.

"I have to restrict the amount of time I spend on the computer or watching television, and make sure I don't have too many household appliances on at once, because that sets me off as well."

And she can venture into built-up areas only if she is swathed in a net-and-hat ensemble made from a special "shielding fabric" that makes her look like a bee-keeper.

Instead, she found an answer on Google - through websites such as »www.electrosensitivity.org/

Using an "electrosmog detector" - the name given to a device that can apparently register levels of electromagnetic activity - she checked her bedroom.

"And there was radiation streaming in through the one wall that I thought I hadn't needed to protect. We have some new neighbours, and I think they must have installed wireless broadband."

To ensure a good night's sleep, Sarah now takes the precaution of swathing herself in her special silver netting.

The World Health Organisation's position is that "there is no scientific basis to link ES symptoms to EMR exposure.

"Further, ES is not a medical diagnosis, nor is it clear that it represents a single medical problem."

In one "provocation" study, a number of people who claimed to have electrical sensitivity were placed in a room with a mobile phone and not told whether or not it was switched on.

Asked by a researcher how they felt, they failed to establish any link between physical symptoms and the alleged trigger.
It takes all kinds I guess. My guess would be they suffer some sort of psychosomatic illness and no amount of scientific testing would convince them otherwise.
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Re: And then there are those who swear they are affected

She must be a bee-keeper as well!

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She might as will live with the Amish.

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Re: And then there are those who swear they are affected

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She might as will live with the Amish.
Even that wouldn't necessarily work. I worked part time after I retired at a company up near Lancaster, PA. And several Amish farmers made nice extra incomes by leasing property on their land for cellphone towers(disguised as grain silos).
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"And there was radiation streaming in through the one wall that I thought I hadn't needed to protect."
I have that problem too - the radiation sometimes even wakes me up when I'm sleeping. Careful measurement showed that the radiation I was most sensitive to was in the 400 nm to 760 nm range.

Apparently some wall materials (referred to as 'glass') readily allow such radiation through.

Eventually, I found a store selling devices ('curtains') that lowered the radiation to acceptable levels.

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Re: And then there are those who swear they are affected

That's hilarious!
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Takes all kinds....

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May 24th, @11:28PM

This sounds like a job for the Mythbusters! I can envision two related tests. First test would be to set up a room with a series of hidden EM generators. Then, a Mythbuster (who obviously wasn't in on setting up the room) would take the "electrosmog detector" and try to find the generators. The generators would be of varying levels to test for a sensitivity threshold. The whole setup would be in a Faraday cage like they did for the cell phones in airplanes myth.

The second test would be a bit larger. There would be three rooms. Two with EM generators hidden and one without an EM generator hidden. In one of the rooms, the EM generator would be on and in one the EM generator would be present, but off. (The third room would be a control without any EM generator at all.) Again, each room would be in a Faraday Cage. They would contact one of these "Wi-Fi allergic" people and get them to come on the show. Then they walk the person through the rooms in a random order. In each room, the person could sit down for as long as they needed to and would fill out a short survey about how they felt. If the "Wi-Fi sensitivity" existed, the "EM generator on" room should trigger sensitivities that the other rooms didn't.

Of course, the end of your quoted story shows that such tests have been done and have proven that there's no such link. I have no doubt that these people are feeling symptoms, but the mind is a very powerful tool. These people are totally convinced that any EM signal is going to cause some symptoms and their minds will create the symptoms when they suspect the alleged trigger is present. Beyond a psychosomatic connection, however, there is definitely no proof that any "Wi-Fi sensitivity" exists.

Still, it would make for a great Mythbusters show.

EDIT: Just posted my suggestion to the Mythbusters forum. I even cited this story (and thread). Here's hoping they respond favorably.

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Re: And then there are those who swear they are affected

Mythbusters doesn't do testing on non-staff/non-mythbusters humans. A double blind study would be excellent, some go in a room that has a Faraday cage in its door, the other room is visually identical and have no faraday cage. Of course electro sensitive people will refuse to cooperate with any kind of scientific method studying of their symptoms.

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glad i dont live there

These people are funny. Just like the story of the lady up in northern cali that convinced the city council wifi was bad so the city DENIED FREE WIFI COVERAGE FROM CISCO. LOL, one crack pot and no wifi.

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Be sure to stay out of the sun . . .

Plenty of radiation and electromagnetism from there. Who do we sue??
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Re: Be sure to stay out of the sun . . .

The universe. You know there is a lawyer to initiate it and a judge to accept it.

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said by jcaparula See Profile :

Plenty of radiation and electromagnetism from there. Who do we sue??
We sue the FAA and the EPA for not adding proper protection from RF to the air.
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Real Issue

It is only partly the fault of the retards that are jumping up and down....

The shoulders who truly bare this issue are those of the people who give in to this sort of baseless garbage and make the majority suffer.

When we start asking for proof and examples of the issue instead of just bending over and allowing these idiots to give it to us with a sledge hammer we will never overcome this sort of crap.

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wtf

in 50 yrs, we'll probably know better. Wouldn't doubt we are cooking ourshelves with all the spectrums we use. Probably not helping with the collapse of our bee's. Scoff all you want - you act as if we know it all. Yet we are poisoning everything in our unsustainable appetite.

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I guess we will just have to wait..

No personal issues here but I don't like wi-fi either...I am sure when it benefits someone rich enough the tests will come out...just be ready people. Don't bitch when it does. peace.

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Re: I guess we will just have to wait..

You don't like WiFi?

What does that have to do with this?

lolwtf

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...

Do these people realize that, ever since they were nothing more than single cells in their parents' bodies, they have been penetrated constantly by all sorts of radiation?

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The real reason for the Law suit


A native from the Star Bazoola seen on an Santa Fe street.
The reason why these poor souls have such trouble with Wi-Fi signals is because of the implants installed by space Aliens from the star Bazoola. So be genital with these people they are hurting.
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Re: The real reason for the Law suit

said by Transmaster See Profile :

The reason why these poor souls have such trouble with Wi-Fi signals is because of the implants installed by space Aliens from the star Bazoola. So be genital with these people they are hurting.


I might consider being genital with the alien above whose picture you posted, but the two persons below who are trying to block WiFi are just not my type. Sorry, but someone else is going to have to be genital with these two.



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Re: The real reason for the Law suit

said by NetFixer See Profile :

said by Transmaster See Profile :

The reason why these poor souls have such trouble with Wi-Fi signals is because of the implants installed by space Aliens from the star Bazoola. So be genital with these people they are hurting.


I might consider being genital with the alien above whose picture you posted, but the two persons below who are trying to block WiFi are just not my type. Sorry, but someone else is going to have to be genital with these two.

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they both look like saddam lol

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GAH! Put a warning over pictures like that next time! Jeez!

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said by Rogue Wolf See Profile :

GAH! Put a warning over pictures like that next time! Jeez!

Which picture would that be?

The cute little ET clone/hybrid, or the bearded Bobbsey Twins?
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Re: The real reason for the Law suit

said by NetFixer See Profile :

said by Rogue Wolf See Profile :

GAH! Put a warning over pictures like that next time! Jeez!

Which picture would that be?

The cute little ET clone/hybrid, or the bearded Bobbsey Twins?
Yes!


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May 23rd, @06:40PM

And they tell me there's no problems ...

How about some tests?

2 rooms with 10 gamerz each
400 meters apart and well protected from each other
1 with high output wifi and 1 without
see who lasts longer and or plays better
no sugar products allowed
after test have all ppl walk to see who can walk the furthest
... i bet none of the wifi gamerz can walk even half as far as non-wifi

stick your hand in nuke oven and turn it on for 5 minutes [warning: if you do you will cook your hand or loose it altogether]

It's a well known fact that everything in the universe is made of waves, certain waves will kill ya, certain waves will cause medical probs, certain ones will cure problems.

Microwaves [wifi] are used to cook food ... do you wanna be cooked or loose ability to have kids or have problems later in life?

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Nomorewaves

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they laughed

they laughed about cell phones and cancer but not no more
»www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20···4349.htm
so don't discount the effect of too much wifi

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Re: they laughed

said by Nomorewaves :

they laughed about cell phones and cancer but not no more
»www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20···4349.htm
so don't discount the effect of too much wifi
They still laugh because all of the studies are just referring to old ones that have been dis-proven or all the studies are just cherry picking data to prove something for a special interest.

News reports like that always gloss over the fact that I could look at the same data and conclude that there is no link to cancer and it would be equally correct as the theory that it does.

That wouldn't make headlines though of "cellphones don't cause cancer". Science isn't about news and sensationalism, it's about the process and reproducing results. If you can't reproduce the results, you've already failed half of the process to begin with.

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said by knightmb :
They still laugh because all of the studies are just referring to old ones that have been dis-proven or all the studies are just cherry picking data to prove something for a special interest.
You didn't read the article. This is a new study »www.bio-medicine.org/medicine-ne···11969-1/
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That's from having the transmitter up against your ear- has anyone been injured by cell-phone conversations simply on their way to the cell tower? Of course not.

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When you picked the name "Nomorewaves" I assume you were referring to yourself, and Brainwaves?
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hard proof

until i read articles from credible, peer reviewed journals (any and all news articles do not count, i.e. cnn, msnbc, fox, local news papers, state news papers, and the like), i'll laugh and mock any person who claims that they are allergic to wifi or other radio waves. i will tear them to shreds (as in where are your sources? are your sources credible? have you gone through a blind trial? etc.).
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How Far Do We Go?

So...I have an allergy as well. I am highly allergic to stupid people, they make me violently ill. Can government meet my needs as well, and throw these people out?

Seriously, get some evidence before you make up your tummyache stories. Or better yet, show that you can actually identify active WAPs with some accuracy (and no, not just waving your hand at things with antennas and going "ow"), and then maybe someone might buy it.

Until then, keep providing your local tinfoil-hat maker with additional income, thank you.
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Re: How Far Do We Go?

said by AquaBlaze See Profile :

Seriously, get some evidence before you make up your tummyache stories. Or better yet, show that you can actually identify active WAPs with some accuracy (and no, not just waving your hand at things with antennas and going "ow"), and then maybe someone might buy it.
If you can accuratly detect radio waves, or even their vicinity, the FCC might have a job for you, rather than 5 white vans, you can have 4 electro sensitives (police dogs), and 1 white van(humans who dig up the body).
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May 24th, @12:52AM

Monetized Science vs. The Precautionary Principle

Hey, I've got my tinfoil helmet on... But seriously though:

The 21st century scientific community entirely disregards the precautionary principle. The mantra is: "No studies prove 'X' is detrimental in any way." It's a sound bite that monetized scientists use to publicly bless something that hasn't been thoroughly researched in order to make a quick buck. So, if no studies have yet proven conclusively that something is unhealthy, it's okay to do anything. Build a virus. Create chemicals and processes that are easily monetized for short-term gain regardless of the long-term unstudied consequences. But that's only half the story. The other half of the mantra should be: "No studies prove 'X' will not be detrimental in any way."

Theories are all we have. But they're still just theories - not truth. In three years, we'll discover 'smart threads' as a sub-theory of string-theory. Next year, butter will be bad for you again and margarine will be healthy, or vice versa. But these are just theories. Before humans can create a valid theory they have to formulate a hypothesis. Hypotheses that are based on immediate monetary gain will be vastly different from those based on long-term effects on people and environment. Direct corporate funding of scientific research should be illegal - just like political campaign funding. Corporate funding skews our hypotheses to the former and to the detriment of the latter. Our research route is therefore not truly scientific. It's mad science. All scientific research should pass through an unimpeachable science-for-the-sake-of-truth test before actually being funded. In the same way we have a judicial branch of government, universities should have a judicial branch of education that decides what would ethically serve the long-term sustainability of life.

Regardless of what you believe, humans have been on this earth far longer without synthetic concentrated frequency emitters than with. We have no idea what the long-term effects may be because - you guessed it - no studies have been done. All we have is a few people hypothesizing from personal experience and perspective. We laugh and label them kooks because we are afraid they might make us face the possibility that we are dreadfully wrong for not accepting as truth that the modern conveniences to which we have startlingly grown so accustomed - in less than a generation's time - may be slowly harming us.

Here's an example hypothesis I'm just making up: I'll posit that Autism is rising in direct proportion to the increasing number of cell towers and wifi hotspots. I posit that we are frying our childrens' brains in the womb - during the most formative months. (Don't worry - I won't further complicate this theory with additional considerations suggesting the existing levels of bisphenol-a and other toxins in the breast milk of the general population may actually have a threshold effect that makes the brain changes irreversible.) I could be wrong. Maybe, I don't care. Noone can doubt that Autism is rising. Noone can doubt that cell tower and hotspot numbers are increasing. Maybe nobody else has made the connection. By 2012, instead of a few long-distance transmitters for our current band of television frequencies, we'll have millions of devices that transmit those frequencies...right next to our bodies. We have no long-term studies to show whether there is a threshold effect for soaking our bodies in so thick a soup in that bandwidth. You don't know. I don't know. We haven't researched. I'm just hypothesizing. But before I laugh at those 'sensitive and wacky wifi wierdos', I'm going to consider whether we may be literally throwing the baby out with the bath-water. We won't be laughing when our sons and daughters start going bald and sterile in grade school because - oh yeah - we fried their little bodies for years in a sea of synthetically concentrated frequencies at levels never experienced on the face of the earth before because some of us got used to text messaging when we were in grade school, and just because we never thought it was important enough to do the long-term testing.

No studies are done on the long-term effects of microwave radiation in children because it costs too much and takes too long. No studies are done on possible long-term threshold effects of tv bandwidth radiation at levels expected to be seen in 2020. The fed won't pay for it. Corporate interests certainly won't pay for it because it reduces short-term return on investment for shareholders - who really don't care as long as they get their profit. In some cases, they actually bury results that are bad for business. Look at tobacco. Look at modern pharmaceuticals.

For modern monetized science, if we don't 'know' a hypothesis is detrimental, we can make money on it before enough people have died for us to admit that maybe it should be illegal. The precautionary principle would suggest scientists should prove first conclusively that long-term negative effects don't exist.

We don't do the real long-term research because we cannot ethically monetize what we know is wrong.

I have to ask myself - who is really crazy here?

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capecoddah

join:2005-03-18
Yarmouth Port, MA

Stereotypes..

Do the people that complain about this stuff seem to fit a certain demographic? The people of Santa Fe seem to think so and I'm tending to agree with them.
cerone

join:2001-10-28
Hialeah, FL

WiFi Allergy????

Leave it to a Tree Hugging, flip-flop wearing, long haired, flea infested socialist liberal to come up with that one.
dave
Premium,MVM
join:2000-05-04
not in ohio

Re: WiFi Allergy????

Most of my friends are socialist liberals, and none of them think that there's such a thing as Wi-Fi Allergy.