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Cable Dawg
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join:2002-03-07
The Pound
clubs: | And they know this data because... 90% of the large class ISP's in the world use their hardware and report back to them?
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Maynard G Krebs
@teksavvy.com
| Re: And they know this data because... said by SolarPup  :90% of the large class ISP's in the world use their hardware and report back to them? I'd feel a lot more confident about these sort of statistics if they came from an independent source, rather than a hardware vendor who has a vested interest in seeing that their equipment is widely used, or a Comcast or TWC-like company.
A source I'd trust better would be organizations like Peer 1 or a Global Crossing like network operator who only sells trunk capacity and has no vested interest in throttling residential end users. | |
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Voyager2K2
join:2001-10-04
Wayne, PA | It's That Low? They gotta have "their music". | |
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD | VOIP only 0.2%? Wonder why HSI companies complain about the amount of traffic it uses.  | |
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| nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
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| Re: VOIP only 0.2%? said by moonpuppy :Wonder why HSI companies complain about the amount of traffic it uses. HSI = incumbent phone or cable company in 90+% of cases.
telco doesn't like VOIP competition to landline business, hence it is "bad" and must be demonized.
cableco doesn't like competitor VOIP because they are getting into that market, hence it is "bad" and must be demonized. cableco VOIP, of course, is OK. | |
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| LeftOfSanity
join:2005-11-06
Felton, DE
| said by moonpuppy :Wonder why HSI companies complain about the amount of traffic it uses. VoIP doesn't use that much bandwidth at all. Very little. Not sure what company says it does.
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join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
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| Re: VOIP only 0.2%? said by LeftOfSanity :said by moonpuppy :Wonder why HSI companies complain about the amount of traffic it uses. VoIP doesn't use that much bandwidth at all. Very little. Not sure what company says it does. A couple of ISPs did block VOIP traffic claiming it was a bandwidth hog. One in either Michigan or Minnesota did get hit by the FCC hammer for blocking it illegally. | |
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mod_wastrel
join:2008-03-28 | Sure... now is there any reason why I shouldn't view this "report" as simply a marketing/self-promotional tool for Sandvine? | |
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andyb
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join:2003-05-29
SW Ontario | Re: Sure... Thier competitor,ellacoya,says that streaming and http have surpassed p2p so who do you believe? I'd say neither of em and just scrap thier equipment since it's all done for marketing. | |
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FicmanS
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join:2005-01-11
Brownsburg, IN
clubs: | Not sure I buy it... Those numbers seem difficult for me to buy into 43.5% for file sharing and on the flip side .2% VOIP? O Really...? | |
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TK Junk Mail
Go ahead, make my day
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join:2002-03-03
Margate City, NJ
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| Re: Not sure I buy it... said by FicmanS :Those numbers seem difficult for me to buy into 43.5% for file sharing and on the flip side .2% VOIP? O Really...? VOIP streams can be compressed in to about 64 kbps upstream. The amount of bandwidth needed is very little. Even if the compression is not as severe, VOIP at most will use about 256 kbps. Not surprised that VOIP traffic is so low. 10 years ago, we compressed VOIP down to 32 kbps with dedicated hardware cards in our internal network. So even software based compression can easily do 64 kbps.
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ISP_Guy
@jillyred.net
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| As someone who works for a major ISP with Sandvine's fully deployed, I can venture to say this report is probably pretty accurate. We push (at peak times) anywhere from 25-30GE/sec to our various upstream providers in my market. 30-35% is easily BT and other p2p traffic. Most the other traffic is http. | |
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fireflier
Coffee. . .Need Coffee
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join:2001-05-25
Limbo
·RoadRunner Cable
| Proof? Would Sandvine care to list these "leading" ISPs they compiled data from? How about actual traffic stats from those ISPs?
So I'm supposed to believe the claims of a company that's selling equipment to fix a problem they say exists without direct evidence the problem really exists? Did you guys know there's a special breed of Hippo that's purple? It must be true because someone said it was.
Next up: Sandvine's unverifiable numbers will be quoted by "leading" ISPs as proof that P2P is eating up their network bandwidth.
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backness
join:2005-07-08
K2P OW2
·Rogers Hi-Speed
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| and zero % business This study accounts for is residential accounts and ignores all the business data that moves across the net and leads the reader to belive that 44% of the internet data is P2P.
What kind of news is this? Obivously people use their home connections to do stuff like this from home.
The fact that this study does not mention the results of residential traffic vs. the total internet data makes this a big pile of FUD | |
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BK3
join:2001-04-10
Geneva, IL
·AT&T Yahoo
| Where's email? I believe that at one time I read that a very large chunk of internet traffic was email (specifically spam). Yet, I don't see a consumption percentage for email at all.
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| XknightHawkX
join:2003-02-13
Morton, IL
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| Re: Where's email? That was my question to. Where's the email. And Sandvine better never say that email was so little that they didn't measure it. There is so much spam and they seem to use pictures in almost all of it. Email isn't in the list so I say it isn't a valid list. | |
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chronoss2008
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join:2008-03-29
·TekSavvy Solutions..
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| SaNDVINE LIES wow how is it possible that 44% is p2p when bell throttles to point of unusability for even normal stuff, such that for ten hours or 10/24 (do the math) almost half the net is off.
Sandvine ought to be raided , arrested and jailed for hacking and exploiting and violating the privacy act of canada.
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in off case thats correct that means that of the 25 million net accounts , 11 million are using p2p
using those old 2005 stats , 5.4 million ( sept 2005)
march 2006 9.8 million ( march)
which as we are today this means that there attempts to stop it have FAILED.
MOVE on get a new career, your not needed sandvinigar | |
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Capitalist
@cgocable.net
| Nice brochure Don't forget the downstream only numbers:
Web browsing and streaming have combined to overtake file sharing in terms of traffic on downstream Internet connections. As a stand-alone category, P2P file sharing is still the leader at 35.5% of traffic, followed by web browsing at 32% and streaming at 18%.
All data included in this study was gathered at the subscriber access network only. Therefore, P2P numbers (due to the nature of the protocol) will be significantly increased.
Capacity and utilization are unmentioned. | |
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Chiyo
Save Me Konata-Chan
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join:2003-02-20
Minneapolis, MN
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·Comcast
| well DUH they are a hardware vendor ok seriously why has nobody said this? They are selling hardware to ISPS to throttle connections and stuff. Its their business model are they going to say say they are wrong and push customers away from them? NO!!
either way this is just company propaganda why is this news/
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centsofhumor
join:2007-01-20
Two Rivers, WI | We should have a national NO internet use day. Maybe they will stop complaining | |
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| lordofwhee
join:2007-10-21
Everett, WA
| Re: We should have a national NO internet use day. Then they'll just sell hardware to flood the ISP's network with random packets guaranteed to be identified as "P2P" packets.
Anyway, as any tech-savvy Comcast user knows, you should always obfuscate as much P2P traffic as possible, which would make those packets undetectable as "P2P", which means those numbers should be much lower right there.
Also, there's no mention of consumption versus available bandwidth. It's yet another propaganda campaign. | |
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NetAdmin
join:2008-05-22
| Definitely don't trust those numbers... When a gear vendor comes out with numbers that obviously push their product, I'm highly suspicious. We definitely need someone to confirm those numbers otherwise their results get filed under the "BS, these numbers were cooked up to sell out gear" category.
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ISP_Guy
@jillyred.net
| Re: Definitely don't trust those numbers... As someone who works for a major ISP with Sandvine's fully deployed, I can venture to say this report is probably pretty close to accurate. We push (at peak times) anywhere from 25-30GE/sec to our various upstream providers in my market. 30-35% is easily BT and other p2p traffic. Most the other traffic is http. | |
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Xizer
join:2004-02-05
Kenosha, WI | Is there a problem? So? 44%, that's an interesting statistic and all, but who cares? There's nothing wrong with any type of Internet traffic. | |
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meister_sd
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join:2006-01-29
La Mesa, CA | Re: Is there a problem? Wasn't spam accounting for something like 60% of internet traffic? I guess if you take away spam and P2P - no one is using the internet.  | |
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hanker345
@rogers.com | Re: Is there a problem? 60% of email traffic perhaps.
I doubt you can find a source anywhere anytime that says it was 60% of ALL internet traffic | |
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jarthur31
join:2006-04-14
Carlsbad, NM | BS! Those numbers are made up solely based on the fact that they decided to exclude SPAM! Don't tell me that no longer exists as of creation of that article. Remember this is about bandwidth. | |
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nydwarf1
join:2008-04-11
St Catharines, ON | So? So? | |
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Maggs
Premium
join:2002-11-29
Woodside, NY
clubs: | Here's some statistics for you. I think 100% of the people posting here are posting to dslreports.com . Statistics are designed to lie.
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fred_23
@nikor.net
| P2P consumption To all you P2P advocates with your head in the sand...
The Network admin's already know what percentage of traffic is P2P, without the Sandvine study. P2P consumes a lot and is getting bigger every day. Its long overdue that the hogs start to pay for their share. | |
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