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join:2006-11-21
Saint Louis, MO | Dont mess with the guy that has root access...  | |
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join:2002-01-17
Enola, PA | job? umm, if bright guy with the attitude doesn't want his $150k/yr job, pls let me know where to send my resume. people who tend to think they are indispensable are very, very easily replaced. bub | |
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N3OGH
They both suck, we're so screwed
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join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
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| Re: job? Well one things for sure, no one will EVER EVER EVER put this individual in a position of trust or responsibility ever again.
He may have been doing a crappy job where he was, but he probably could have landed on his feet somewhere else.
Any one who would trust this guy with anything remotely important in the future needs to have their head examined.
Someone with his reputation will have no trouble at all finding a top flight job in either the housekeeping or food service industries.
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TK Junk Mail
Go ahead, make my day
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join:2002-03-03
Margate City, NJ
clubs:
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| Re: job? said by N3OGH  :Well one things for sure, no one will EVER EVER EVER put this individual in a position of trust or responsibility ever again. He may have been doing a crappy job where he was, but he probably could have landed on his feet somewhere else. Any one who would trust this guy with anything remotely important in the future needs to have their head examined. Someone with his reputation will have no trouble at all finding a top flight job in either the housekeeping or food service industries. I agree. His next job should be cleaning bathrooms at McDonalds.
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join:2006-10-19
USA | Re: job? That's probably all he'll be able to get when he gets out of jail anyway :P | |
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join:2006-09-08
Alexandria, VA
·Comcast
| said by TK Junk Mail :I agree. His next job should be cleaning bathrooms at McDonalds. Hell no! I might have to go to the bathroom in that McDonalds only to find out the door is locked and he is nowhere to be found. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| said by N3OGH :Someone with his reputation will have no trouble at all finding a top flight job in either the housekeeping or food service industries. Housekeeping? your serious? the jewlery box will be spic and span. | |
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join:2006-11-21
Saint Louis, MO | Nice Ghostbusters reference  | |
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sapo
Computer Love
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join:2002-09-16
Sacramento, CA | Knowing the bay he will probably be settled in a better paying job next month.
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Powder Springs, GA
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July 18th, @02:36PM
| said by N3OGH :Well one things for sure, no one will EVER EVER EVER put this individual in a position of trust or responsibility ever again. Any one who would trust this guy with anything remotely important in the future needs to have their head examined. I'm sure there are management positions within most telecommunications companies. | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | exactly.. I'm surprise that and IT admin hasn't been offshored.
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| ISurfTooMuch
join:2007-04-23
Tuscaloosa, AL
| Let me fix that quote for you.
said by ebubman :umm, if bright guy with the attitude didn't want his $150k/yr job, pls let me know where to send my resume. people who tend to think they are indispensable are very, very easily replaced. bub You needed to put that in the past tense because I think it's safe to say that the job is now open. | |
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jmorlan
Crescit Eundo
join:2001-02-05
Pacifica, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| Re: job? Not only that, he had a criminal record including past convictions for robbery and burglary dating back to the 80's.
That didn't stop him from landing this job, and it won't stop him from landing another job after this is all over.
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Premium
join:2006-01-31
Canada | no kidding. for 150k a year you'd think he could afford to hire a shrink to remind him daily not to be an irresponsible jack @$$.
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RR206
join:2001-12-11
Renton, WA
clubs: | 150k is San Fran is like 75k anywhere else. | |
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cdru
Go Colts
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN | I'd just be happy for a job that paid overtime...let alone $22k in overtime in addition to a $127k base salary. | |
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N3OGH
They both suck, we're so screwed
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join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs | Easily fixed Send this guy to Gitmo and water board him. He'll give it up quickly....
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join:2007-04-23
Tuscaloosa, AL | Way to flush your career down the toilet I sure hope this guy is either independently wealthy or has some other means of income because he'll never work in IT again. Not to mention the huge lawsuit that's about to hit him upside the head. | |
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join:2007-04-23
Tuscaloosa, AL | Re: Way to flush your career down the toilet Just don't let him anywhere near the computerized cash registers. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
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July 17th, @04:12PM
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: The Lichtenstein whistleblower found a better way to stick Hacking can be a legit profitable occupation... you just have to find the right employer.
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join:2004-03-17
South Portland, ME
·Great Works Internet
| Re: The Lichtenstein whistleblower found a better way to stick Is he a hero because the personal information that he took it upon himself to sell was not your own? I'm all for prosecuting tax thieves, but this guy in Liechtenstein did not have evidence of a crime. Instead it seems he assumed all of the foreigners were criminals for simply having an account in the bank. | |
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MisterMarcus
join:2001-11-10
San Diego, CA | Re: The Lichtenstein whistleblower found a better way to stick Common sense.
There is NO OTHER logical reason for an American citizen to have a Swiss bank account other than to hide assets. Period. | |
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TK Junk Mail
Go ahead, make my day
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Margate City, NJ
clubs:
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| Re: The Lichtenstein whistleblower found a better way to stick said by MisterMarcus :Common sense. There is NO OTHER logical reason for an American citizen to have a Swiss bank account other than to hide assets. Period. It wouldn't be a Swiss bank account because it is not Switzerland, but an independent country situated between Austria & Switzerland.
And there are other reasons to have a "Swiss" bank account than to hide assets from tax authorities, ex-spouses, etc. People doing extensive business in the EU need to have the ability to move money around for deals and "Swiss" banks are the most flexible at doing that. And their privacy provisions make it easier to hide actions from business competitors; among other things.
And it just isn't Americans that have "Swiss" accounts. There are many more EU citizens that use these banking facilities in Switzerland and Lichtenstein.
And YES, some use accounts to hide assets, but like I said that is not the only reason to use their banks.
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join:2001-11-10
San Diego, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: The Lichtenstein whistleblower found a better way to stick I'm not talking about people who do business in EU or any other country. I'm speaking only about Americans because that's what I know.
And another thing, you're missing the point. There's a difference between international companies keeping their international BUSINESS funding in international accounts, and private citizens who have no vested interest in said countries except MAYBE investments (which can be gotten via the exchange, the proper route), having money stockpiled in whatever other country. Yet their US accounts are nearly empty? And they're still millionaires? You know that's dirty. | |
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jjoshua
Premium
join:2001-06-01
Scotch Plains, NJ | SF needs better compliance policies The guy should never have been in the position to do this kind of damage.
Proper compliance policies and procedures could have prevented this incident.
Shame on the admin but shame on the SF IT department as well. | |
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: SF needs better compliance policies Such as? I mean somebody has to have the proverbial keys to the kingdom. I suppose the question is did this guy's position require him to have the kind of power he has, because if it didn't then I can see your case. If he did what kind of compliance checks do you propose?
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fcisler
Premium
join:2004-06-14
Riverhead, NY
| and just pray tell HOW should he never be in this position?
If I really wanted to and had about 45 minutes, I could do the same to my job - and including a 2,300+ sq mile government network.
It's possible, and very easily do-able.
Sure - other people have accounts and the same passwords as me....but like I said, in 45 minutes I could have their accounts disabled and the "shared backup admin accounts" passwords changed. We have plenty of policies and procedures we need to go through....but when your gonna F'ck a company....what does a single procedure mean? Like I said...I don't hold a "master key", and I'm sure he didn't hold the key either - but he obviously had enough to get in, do his damage, and lock the rest out.
BUT - I wouldn't do that. Not only do I not want to meet bubba, but it's against my beliefs and completely unprofessional. Look at what this guy did to himself...no ones going to hire him.
Should someone else do it, yes - we (my job) would be pretty screwed....but that's what you have a local account on the backup server, and fresh images of domain controllers and other essential machines  | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | Re: SF needs better compliance policies Whatever happened to needed 2 different passwords held by 2 different people (most likly a smart card + pin) to change admin passwords? Why don't the IT guys look at the security of who they often work for (financial institutions)? | |
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cdru
Go Colts
Premium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
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| Re: SF needs better compliance policies said by patcat88 :Whatever happened to needed 2 different passwords held by 2 different people (most likly a smart card + pin) to change admin passwords? Why don't the IT guys look at the security of who they often work for (financial institutions)? Have worked in IT much lately, have you? I've worked on all sorts of different systems including linux, SCO Unix, windows, OSX, SQL servers, Web Servers, file servers, routers, whatever, and I've NEVER have had to have 2 different passwords to update an admin password, let alone a smart card+pin.
Maybe in some supersecret data vault in Langely but not in the common business world. | |
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join:2007-08-19
| Re: SF needs better compliance policies said by cdru :Maybe in some supersecret data vault in Langely but not in the common business world. LMAO and not even then as a second root pw holder would necessitate another 6 figure salary. You're giving the feds way too much credit. They only just migrated from Windows 95 over to Win2k a couple years back. | |
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@bell.ca
| Very Good This is more prevalent than you might think.
Ever since short term contracts became prevalent making a copy of passwords, settings and other information has become a necessity to protect ones receipt of pay. For private contractors, temp and short term employees it has become a must to protect us from abuse by corporations.
Some of the things that we must protect ourselves against:
company politics, rumors, future jobs, wrongful accusations, frivolously angry management, death threats, physical attacks by staff, illegal corporate activities, litigation and many more. I suggest any and every employee keep detailed daily records of their jobs, even if you have the best job in the world or are the a lowly call taker.
This is your only proof or recourse if things go sour. | |
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join:2000-11-17
Ypsilanti, MI
clubs: | He's still getting paid The worst thing is that he is still getting paid by the city (I don't happen to have a link to the article where I read this handy)
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King P
Don't blame me. I voted for Ron Paul
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join:2004-11-17
Inman, SC | This is a gov't network right? If they purchase equipment like ours does, then their Linksys routers have a reset button on the back...problem solved.
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: This is a gov't network right? said by King P :If they purchase equipment like ours does, then their Linksys routers have a reset button on the back...problem solved. /sarcasm Even the Ciscos have reset procedures, will be a bitch to reconfig the equipment tho, unless unpassworded backups of the configs sit somewhere. | |
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Enlightener
join:2006-01-28
Cedar Park, TX | Easy Problem to Fix This problem is really easy to solve... the solution is called water boarding. | |
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OptimusADL
join:2000-12-20
Brooklyn, NY | Dead man walking The guy who handed over that tax data is a dead man. I suggest he register for witness protection.
He should have remained anonymous. Well at least his family will be taken care of. | |
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do da dirdy bird
join:2001-02-17
Decatur, GA | stapler? Sorry to kind of hijack but love the pic that goes with the story.
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join:2002-04-09
Enola, PA | Re: stapler? At least he didn't set the building on fire. | |
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join:2002-08-13
Imperial, MO
| said by hep cat :Sorry to kind of hijack but love the pic that goes with the story. Agreed, the perfect picture for this.
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redrebel
join:2001-12-06
Oxnard, CA | Poor Performance? Obviously he handled it in the wrong matter, but what was the reasoning for the reprimand if the poor ba*d was working overtime. | |
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PenguinChill
How I Wish You Were Here
join:2001-02-12
Fishers, IN | Re: Poor Performance? There are three people you don't want to piss off.
-Your IT guy
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join:2007-08-19
| Re: Poor Performance? said by PenguinChill :There are three people you don't want to piss off. -Your IT guy -Your accountant -Your lawyer Accountants/CPAs and Attorneys have licenses that hold them to a higher standard than the average person, therefore, if your atty and/or CPA does "something" against you because you've pissed them off, the consumer has recourse at the state level, particularly in the State of California. IT people aren't professionals with licenses, but given the number of individuals who have pulled high profile stunts like the one in question, they should be licensed. | |
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| Re: Poor Performance? Reality check Surf. Accountants can legally take you for a ride you'll never forget, if they so wish. It can be done in such a way that a company or person will never know. Same goes for lawyers  | |
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join:2007-08-19
| Re: Poor Performance? said by experience :
Accountants can legally take you for a ride you'll never forget, if they so wish. It can be done in such a way that a company or person will never know. Same goes for lawyers.
Um, no. I was going to state that only very stupid/clueless clients get taken to the cleaners by their CPA and/or Attorney, but that would be incorrect. Even the dumb ones have recourse. If you don't know that then you must fall into this category.  | |
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grydlok
join:2004-01-06
Richmond, VA | TP reports Where is my stapler. | |
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join:2001-12-16
Des Plaines, IL | Re: TP reports It's TPS, not TP | |
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amigo_boy
join:2005-07-22
Tempe, AZ | This is like postal shootings... Sure, it's wrong. But, you never hear about the dysfunctional environment that pushed someone to such an extreme. That would be the real story.
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join:2007-08-19
| Re: This is like postal shootings... said by amigo_boy :Sure, it's wrong. But, you never hear about the dysfunctional environment that pushed someone to such an extreme. That would be the real story. Mark Er, no. There isn't a legitimate excuse for shooting up a post office and killing people just as there isn't a legit excuse for an IT Admin "taking hostage" sensitive/crucial data because his wittle fweelings got hurt. | |
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join:2005-07-22
Tempe, AZ
 ·magicjack.com
·EarthLink
| Re: This is like postal shootings... said by SilverSurfer :said by amigo_boy :Sure, it's wrong. But, you never hear about the dysfunctional environment that pushed someone to such an extreme. That would be the real story. Mark Er, no. There isn't a legitimate excuse for shooting up a post office and killing people just as there isn't a legit excuse for an IT Admin "taking hostage" sensitive/crucial data because his wittle fweelings got hurt. I didn't say it was legitimate. I said it's wrong. *But*, there's usually two sides to every story. We never hear the other side, the dysfunctional employment culture, humiliation, hostile environment.
To me, that would add balance to the story. "What made the guy do this?" I don't believe most times someone goes to this length out of total derangement. Sometimes. But, not most.
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join:2007-08-19
| Re: This is like postal shootings... said by amigo_boy : *But*, there's usually two sides to every story. We never hear the other side, the dysfunctional employment culture, humiliation, hostile environment. You expect way too much from contemporary writers. Regardless of whatever "employment culture" an employee can imagine, that still doesn't mean squat when reporting the news. I challenge you to find just one incident of a news item, note as reported by mainstream media, where someone did something, e.g. committed a felony of some sort, and the following news story -whether on TV or in print- included with the story the WHYs for it. You'll never find even one story like that because it's just not in practice. | |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | I'd rather him do this then get some weapons, return to work, and start shooting.
Also notice he didn't set the systems to bomb, he just locked em out. Meaning he intends to give up the passwords, but probably wants his story heard. | |
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join:2001-01-30 | Solution They should consider this an act of terrorism (which it is, imo) and send him off to one of our prisons overseas. I bet they get the passwords real fast. | |
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sporkme
drop the crantini and move it, sister
Premium,MVM
join:2000-07-01
Netcong, NJ | SF haters, where you at? Maybe the guy has some good dirt on the mayor, councilpeople, police chief, etc. My guess is that this story will change direction once he finds the right lawyer.
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Onward Through The Fog
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
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GamerGeek
join:2003-07-26
Fortuna, CA
| So has he given up the "passwords" yet? I'd give him one shot at giving the passwords and configs up. If he did not comply, one finger per hour would be broken until he decided it was in his best interest to do so. If he's a "tough guy", which it definitely sounds to me like this is how he's portraying himself, we then begin going up the arm. Maybe work on the feet a little.
"BUT THAT'S AGAINST HIS CIVIL LIBERTIES!" you say?
He's crippled a city-wide network that "handles city payroll files, jail bookings, law enforcement documents and official e-mail for San Francisco". He's screwing with the big boys 'cause he's so |
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