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Atlanta, GA | Re: Samsung said by brianiscool:You lost deal with it! You are thieves and stole from Apple.
No.
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| | | | Re: Samsung said by fuziwuzi:said by brianiscool:You lost deal with it! You are thieves and stole from Apple.
No. Hell No. | |
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| | tcopePremium
join:2003-05-07
Sandy, UT
kudos:2 | It's clear that Samsung _knew_ they were taking ideas from Apple. I think the trial turned to be more about the fact that Samsung _knew_ they were taking from Apple and less about the valitity of Apple's patents to start with. Samsung documents showed they knew they were taking from Apple and Google also warned them.
These appeals are all purely legal moves. They need to send a message to Apple that they are not just going to roll over and collecting on the judgement may take years. It's all an effort to get some type of leverage with Apple and then they can discuss a settlment. A condition of the settlement will be that no one can mention the amount. That there is always the doubt as to the extent of Samsung's guilt as it's not know if they pay $1 less then the judgement or $50.
Samsung will end up paying Apple probably $500k - $750k and work in a deal that Apple won't object to those devices being sold. At the end of the day Samsung will still be the #2 phone manufacture and in the future will pass by Apple by continuing to develop better products. | |
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| | | fuziwuziNot born yesterdayPremium
join:2005-07-01
Atlanta, GA | Re: Samsung Will Apple in-kind pay Samsung, Motorola, HTC, etc. for the patents Apple has been stealing and refusing to negotiate a license?
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| Thing is Cr-apple should not have won, when prior art said they could not win. Square with round corners, Cr-apple: "yeah we came up with that idea". In reality they did no such thing. They just had the jury stocked with apple supporters and a judge that was an apple supporter. | |
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| Re: Samsung said by pandora:said by cpsycho:Thing is Cr-apple should not have won, when prior art said they could not win. Square with round corners, Cr-apple: "yeah we came up with that idea". In reality they did no such thing. They just had the jury stocked with apple supporters and a judge that was an apple supporter.
The round corner thing is ludicrous, but also a juror not indicating a potential conflict in a case of this size is unacceptable. Nobody should own round corners, if Apple does, no car, no flashlight, or door knob, or spoon / spork is safe. Crapple's lawyers are already researching this. | |
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| |  ropeguruPremium
join:2001-01-25
Mechanicsville, VA | said by cpsycho:Thing is Cr-apple should not have won, when prior art said they could not win. Square with round corners, Cr-apple: "yeah we came up with that idea". In reality they did no such thing. They just had the jury stocked with apple supporters and a judge that was an apple supporter.
Was it really "square with round corners"? If so, they certainly should not have won as their devices are rectangles with round corners. | |
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join:2001-01-25
Mechanicsville, VA | Re: Samsung said by cpsycho:I made a boo boo, you can sue me for a billion dollars.
Yes I can because I hold a patent on making boo boo's. | |
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Yes I can because I hold a patent on making boo boo's. You made Honey Boo Boo? | |
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join:2010-10-23
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kudos:9 Reviews:
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| Re: Samsung said by NOCTech75:said by ropeguru:said by cpsycho:I made a boo boo, you can sue me for a billion dollars.
Yes I can because I hold a patent on making boo boo's. You made Honey Boo Boo? That would explain so much... | |
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| | | said by brianiscool:You lost deal with it! You are thieves and stole from Apple.
Sorry fanboiiscool, but they lost because of a stacked deck. And now the world is getting a peek under the covers of the hampster cage that is the american court system. Fair and just my left butt check.
The courts have become about popularity and who you can buy ! | |
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| |  mobOn the next level..Premium
join:2000-10-07
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| Re: Samsung said by fanboiiscool :said by brianiscool:You lost deal with it! You are thieves and stole from Apple.
Sorry fanboiiscool, but they lost because of a stacked deck. And now the world is getting a peek under the covers of the hampster cage that is the american court system. Fair and just my left butt check. The courts have become about popularity and who you can buy ! +1 and QFTFT!
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Sorry fanboiiscool, but they lost because of a stacked deck. And now the world is getting a peek under the covers of the hampster cage that is the american court system. Fair and just my left butt check. The courts have become about popularity and who you can buy ! +1 and QFTFT! QFTFT???
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join:2000-10-07 | Re: Samsung Quoted For The Fvcking Truth | |
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| |  birdfeedrPremium,MVM
join:2001-08-11
Warwick, RI
kudos:8 | said by fanboiiscool :the hampster cage
where any good lawyer can uncover dirty laundry to defend his assertion the deck was stacked. Lift the lid and you'll see it's all a card game.
Thanks for the really mixed metaphor. | |
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| decifal
join:2007-03-10
Bon Aqua, TN
kudos:1 Reviews:
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| Um, no, and if you want to get technical, Samsung has patents on the 4g technology apple is using in their Iphone5..
Personally I'm looking forward to a retrial and hopefully see a smackdown on the crying.. I would rather apple come back with an even greater product than to just sue the competition...
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|  SuntopPremium
join:2000-03-23
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1 edit | You sir are a fool. Apple stole ideas SINCE THEY STARTED... Xerox anyone? And you Apple fan, do some research and find out about that company you are defending! Example, the iPAD the design was based on a media device that was released by another company that made it in 2005 or 2006 before the iPad was released.
Oh on a side note, Microsoft is just as bad. But they stole from APPLE who stole.... It is so sad no one remembers computer history. For example M$-Dos was bought for around $50,000 from Seattle Computer. Which is not even 10% of what Microsoft should of given the creator of DOS. They should have at least given the creator a few million.
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join:2004-07-11
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| Re: Samsung said by Suntop:It is so sad no one remembers computer history. For example M$-Dos was bought for around $50,000 from Seattle Computer. Which is not even 10% of what Microsoft should of given the creator of DOS. They should have at least given the creator a few million.
They paid (what was at the time) a huge amount, for an O/S they weren't sure they could resell. BTW at that time MS didn't have a few million, even the $50k was risking everything. Had the IBM thing not worked out, MS would likely have been a blip on the PC timeline. | |
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Choteau, MT | Re: Samsung Well I cannot argue that HOWEVER they could have shared the profits later to the guy. Maybe they did with stock or something. I do not know. | |
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join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:3 Reviews:
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| Re: Samsung Tim Paterson the guy who wrote it (and designed a basic computer to go with it.) actually worked for MS several times
Rod Brock the guy who hired Paterson to work at SCP go $50k and a lifetime license to MS-DOS made a few million reselling it and then recieved another million when MS bought the license back.
So everyone did ok, but it is business, you plan to buy low and sell high, but holding out for highest may leave you with a bunch of rotting fruit.
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join:2000-03-23
Choteau, MT | Re: Samsung Ahh Pirates of Silicon Valley. Great movie. | |
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| | | | said by Suntop:Oh on a side note, Microsoft is just as bad. But they stole from APPLE who stole.... It is so sad no one remembers computer history. For example M$-Dos was bought for around $50,000 from Seattle Computer. Which is not even 10% of what Microsoft should of given the creator of DOS. They should have at least given the creator a few million.
If you want to appear more than 13 years old, I recommend that you cool it with the "M$." That stuff became old in 2002.
As a matter of fact, the creator of MS-DOS did get millions -- at least a few, possibly more.
Tim Patterson later went to work for Microsoft over three separate stretches. The pre-IPO stock options he got would've made him a deca-millionaire, assuming they vested before he left.
He also went back to work for Microsoft post-IPO, in 1990. This time, he stayed 8 years, so those options definitely vested. He would've become at least a millionaire, even if he sold immediately upon vesting. If he held onto them until he left, he would've become a multi-millionaire. | |
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Choteau, MT | Re: Samsung My apologies. I did not mean to make you think that. Excuse me for being a lil silly when I WROTE IT. And thank you for letting me know that he did get paid properly for that. I did not know that till now. | |
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Best way I've found of avoiding this is to do my research ahead of time. That way, I can form my opinions based on facts instead of assumptions. | |
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And if he knew the potential, he would have put together his own way to market and sell it.
Microsoft didn't really owe him anything after buying it. That's how business works. | |
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| | tcopePremium
join:2003-05-07
Sandy, UT
kudos:2 | And those companies are welcome to file suit aganist Apple if they feel they have a case. "Stealing" (quoted because I'm not saying they did) is easy against someone who just came up with an idea. I can see a building and make one of my own based on what I saw... this might not be "stealing". It's up to the building owner/designer to prove that something was "stolen".
So saying someone "stole" from someone else is all fine and good... but it's not really saying anything without context. In this case you are throwing in a lot of different things all together and many things that are not related. Xerox/PARC is about the a GUI on desktop computers. Job then claimed that he asked to use it but Gates "stole" it as he did not even ask. Truth is, neither stole it as you claim. To be accurate, they did not invent the GUI that they used.
But again... nothing to do with this. | |
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join:2009-09-10
Torrington, CT | In a nice way, I want to tell you that you dont have a clue about what you are talking about.
IBM approached Bill Gates for an OS, but he sent them to Gary WhatsHisName who invented CP/M. The first time IBM tried to talk to Gary, he blew them off because he was flying his new plane. The second time, he blew them off because he refused to sign an NDA.
So IBM played hard ball with Bill (Bill just wanted to write Basic, and leave that OS thing to Gary, another stunningly stupid error just like missing that Internet thing, and 640K of memory thing.)
Bill bought the code from Gary. Bill came up with idea of licensing software but not selling it.
Bill got rich
Gary got jealous.
Read all about it in 'Barbarians Led by Bill Gates" | |
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join:2000-03-23
Choteau, MT | Re: Samsung Okay I will read it. I do not know much I admit that. Thank you for being kind and telling me I am wrong. I appreciate your post and thank you for the book suggestion. I will go look for it at my library. | |
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|  BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | said by brianiscool:You lost deal with it! You are thieves and stole from Apple.
Try paying attention. | |
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| | | said by brianiscool:You lost deal with it! You are thieves and stole from Apple.
Hey brianisStunned?
No. | |
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|  Smith6612Premium,MVM
join:2008-02-01
North Tonawanda, NY
kudos:22 | But Apple buys from Samsung! So even if Samsung lost the case, Samsung is still making bank. Unless Apple fired them as a supplier ;P | |
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| | | Hardly. There's been "stealing" from all sides.
This is all just stupid. IP law is ridiculous. | |
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| ajac
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Norman, OK | hell no asshole | |
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| | | The only problem is this is Apple's only win against Samsung. They are losing these suits worldwide. And this one will get overturned.
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|  DrModemPremium
join:2006-10-19
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| said by brianiscool:You lost deal with it! You are thieves and stole from Apple.
Curse those rectangle thieves. | |
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| | | Ok, so if Samsung copied their "rounded corners" and some of their software who gives a care?
Apple copied a hand held device that lets you call people O_o
Smartphones were out before the iPhone came out, they simply put all there was into one neat little package. It wasn't really that innovative. Same with iPad. Sleek design, but tablets had been out for ages. | |
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| | If you look at the transcripts... He was asked for any time, not 10 years, which means he commited perjury. | |
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East Hanover, NJ | from the voir dire (jury selection) transcript - Do you see it state in the last 10 years have you ever been involved in a lawsuit? I most certainly don't.
THE NEXT QUESTION IS, HAVE YOU OR A
FAMILY MEMBER OR SOMEONE VERY CLOSE TO YOU EVER
BEEN INVOLVED IN A LAWSUIT, EITHER AS A PLAINTIFF,
A DEFENDANT, OR AS A WITNESS?
LET'S SEE. ON THE FIRST ROW, WHO WOULD
RAISE THEIR HAND TO THAT QUESTION?
ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO TO MR. HOGAN.
The full transcript can be gotten here: »www.groklaw.net/pdf4/ApplevSamsu···1Ex1.pdf
should be interesting and its far from over. Is Velvin Hogan guilty of perjury? don't know, IANAL plus he just has to say that he misunderstood the question and thought he heard the last 10 years, it probably takes him off the hook for perjury but still leaves the door wide open for Samsung to look to have the whole verdict tossed out.
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| tshirtPremium,MVM
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:3 Reviews:
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| Re: from the voir dire (jury selection) transcript - Most likely on the jury pool form it asked about 10 years (pretty standard question) but in voir dire the judge asked "ever".
Still if he remembered having sued, (individual filing suit yes, got a small check as part of a class action 20 years ago? maybe not?)
The court will have the facts and certainly question his motives (makes the court look bad, he certainly will be harshly punished for anything that can be proven)
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| | | | Re: from the voir dire (jury selection) transcript - By the way, the lawsuit Hogan is talking about was 2008!!! And a dispute over who owned the patent on computer software - and you don't think this would affect his judgment as the foreman of the jury? | |
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join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:3 Reviews:
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| Re: from the voir dire (jury selection) transcript - Without a doubt he should have recused from ANY jury duty.
Too recent, too personal, too likely to have some prejudice about something/someone in the legal system.
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| | |  cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:7 | said by JolietJake :By the way, the lawsuit Hogan is talking about was 2008!!! And a dispute over who owned the patent on computer software - and you don't think this would affect his judgment as the foreman of the jury? It wasn't a dispute over who owned the patent on computer software. It was over who owned the rights to the software. Patents weren't mentioned.
My guess is that it was simply who really owned the software and could license it in the future. It's common in software development that contracted work is owned by the developer unless the rights were specifically transferred to the contracting company. However if the work was not done by a contractor and was instead the work of a direct employee, then the copyrights are typically owned by the company. I don't know about other fields other then software development, but I would imagine that other contract work is similar, be it electrical engineering, graphics design, etc. | |
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join:2002-11-27 | Re: False Verdict Should Be Overturned! said by ArizonaSteve:Samsung did not copy the iPhone. Sure they look a little bit alike with a big screen that has icons on it but that's where the similarity ends. If you take off the backs and compare the the Apple and Samsung phones they are completely different. Too bad the jury didn't get to see that. Also, I've been to crooked courts before so I know how Samsung must feel.
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| | | | Re: False Verdict Should Be Overturned! That's the REALLY funny part. Samsung makes a bunch of parts for the iPhone. | |
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| cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:7 | said by ArizonaSteve:Too bad the jury didn't get to see that. Also, I've been to crooked courts before so I know how Samsung must feel. Half the lawsuit was about design patents, as in specifically how they look. Nothing in Apple's claims against Samsung related to internal design. They didn't compare internals as there was no need to. | |
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Apple has sued NYW host Norm Abram for all his plaid because his repeated use of the so-called round-over bit results in objects which infringe on Apple's ownership of all rounded corners. | |
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