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GOLFnSUN
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| Re: Fairness? said by pnh102  :How is this stupid tax fair? The voters at least got to vote on it. Many times taxes are imposed without any voter involvement at all. Just because the voters are stupid doesn't make it unfair.
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| Re: Fairness? said by GOLFnSUN : Just because the voters are stupid doesn't make it unfair. BINGO! Very nice quote, man | |
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| said by GOLFnSUN :The voters at least got to vote on it. Many times taxes are imposed without any voter involvement at all. Just because the voters are stupid doesn't make it unfair. Here in Oklahoma, a bill was passed into law that made most tax increases, new taxes, etc have to be a ballot before the people.
It was sold as a way to make new taxes "more fair", "Respect the will of the majority", "Reign in pork-barrel spending", etc etc, and the like.
Boy, were they wrong. It's been a massive boon to politicians and budgets. When the politicians voted in taxes before, they were held in the hot seat and many feared voter backlash at the voting box.
With the new system, a vast majority of the time, *the new taxes are approved by the voters.*
It's just a matter of a sell-job, you see... put in certain hot-button issues, throw in the Police, Fire, Ambulance, Flood Control, Education, etc into the proposal and you'll get it passed by voters every time. Taxes to build factories and so on to give to large mega-corps for the promise of some jobs--- passed. Sports arenas, convention centers, what have you--- passed. Special new taxes to fix streets and bridges--- passed.... etc etc etc
We keep voting in bond issues, sales taxes, and other speciality taxes.... hell the voters even raise their own utility rates.
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pnh102
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| Re: Fairness? said by N10Cities :You'd like living in down in Eastern OK. That isn't the case down this way (used to live in Sequoyah Co.). Almost every tax vote is turned down. Officials scream bloody murder saying the police and schools will have to shut down...don't matter....still fails anyway...  It is good that there are some people who are smart enough to not fall for those threats. In most parts of the country, tax hikes get passed because the government always threatens to close schools, police stations, fire companies, etc. and the people always cave.
Personally I think any politician who makes such a threat should be removed from office because they are admitting they cannot do the job for which they were elected.
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| Keep in mind that most potential voters don't vote anyway. Hell, most of them don't even know about the proposals until after their tax increases.
In a way it's a wrapped system. Let's say 80% of the population doesn't want tax increases, but only 20% of the population votes - and out of this 20% more than 10% want the tax increase - you get a tax increase passed "by popular vote" when only 10% of the population actually agrees to it. | |
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PolarBear
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| said by pnh102 :How is this stupid tax fair? As TK said, the voters asked for it. Now they're getting what they wanted. How is that NOT fair? | |
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| Re: Fairness? said by PolarBear :said by pnh102 :How is this stupid tax fair? As TK said, the voters asked for it. Now they're getting what they wanted. How is that NOT fair? these idiots need to understand the impact of their actions. go and educate your @sses for a change. I agree that taxation is helping fund the services but why tax instant messaging? | |
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| Re: Fairness? said by cchhat01 :these idiots need to understand the impact of their actions. Yes they do. And they will, when they get their phone bills.said by cchhat01 :I agree that taxation is helping fund the services but why tax instant messaging? Like I said, the people voted for it! I sure as hell wouldn't have. | |
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| said by cchhat01 :these idiots need to understand the impact of their actions. go and educate your @sses for a change. I agree that taxation is helping fund the services but why tax instant messaging? To clarify, I don't see anything about instant messaging (which typically means an Internet-based protocol like ICQ) except in the original BroadbandReports post. The tax is apparently expanded to include TEXT (SMS) messaging via cell phones. | |
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| said by pnh102 :How is this stupid tax fair? Because its for the children. | |
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VegasMan
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pokesph
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clubs: | SactoTax Thank God it only applies to the City proper.. Us folk out in the 'burbs lucked out. No extra Tax. | |
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| quatrix
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Davie, FL | ... which means you don't benefit from the .5% reduction in the city's cell and landline tax either. | |
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| | unoriginal
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San Diego, CA | Re: SactoTax It also means that they weren't getting hit with Sacramento's city and landline tax to start with. | |
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| I'd have voted for it :) "By a few, Fehr must mean the quickly growing multitudes who are finding landlines completely irrelevant."
Aren't most of those using cell which is already taxed and will now be taxed a little less to replace the landlines? Everyone i know without a landline has a cell not VOIP.
SMS is overpriced by %%%% anyway, what is a couple more %.
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dvd536
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Phoenix, AZ | Double dipping not bad enough providers double dip on SMS, now theres a tax on it??? | |
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Chicago, IL | ? But if the vast majority of households will see a reduction, why enact the tax? | |
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Union, NJ | The question should be... ...how is this tax legal??? | |
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1 edit | RE: Fairness Another tax "snuck through" by our tax hungry legislators. I agree that this Voip tax is illegal but that doesn't stop Sacramento. If a "tax" doesn't fly - they'll call it a fee to circumvent the two-thirds majority required by the State Constitution.
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