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Rural broadband funding in jeopardy?
(old news - 04:59PM Tuesday Oct 28 2003)
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Funding for rural broadband deployments included in 2002 legislation could face significant cuts. -

The USDA recently announced they'd be awarding $11.3 million in broadband community grants to 34 communities in 20 states. In January (USDA link) of this year, Agriculture Secretary Ann M. Veneman promised $1.4 billion in loans and loan guarantees to rural telecommunications providers in the hopes of getting less populated corners of the U.S. up to speed. "Technology is key to the ability of rural businesses to compete in a global marketplace," said Veneman.

The Rural Broadband Coalition was also recently founded to help ISPs take advantage of the money available via the broadband program of the Rural Utility Service (RUS), a service of the US Department of Agriculture. Hidden within the Farm Security and Rural Investment Act of 2002 is $20 million in federal funds allocated to finance broadband service in rural communities.

Now one group claims those funds are in jeopardy. Issuing a press release late last week, the Wireless Communications Association claims lawmakers are considering trimming the funds, eliminating some provisions and replacing others with incentives almost half the size. The Rural Broadband Coalition claims the WCA's assessment is incorrect (press release); the WCA plans to fire back with this as yet unreleased response tomorrow (zipped .doc file) escalating the war of words.

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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02

Perhaps...

If the WCA is accurate, rural U.S. communities could turn to the temporary Iraqi government for a loan? Surely they wouldn't miss 1.4 billion?
wtansill
Ncc1701

join:2000-10-10
Falls Church, VA

Re: Perhaps...

said by Karl Bode See Profile:
If the WCA is accurate, rural U.S. communities could turn to the temporary Iraqi government for a loan? Surely they wouldn't miss 1.4 billion?
Rural communities are already getting short shrift from the ILECS despite money coming in from "Universal Service Fees" included on every bill. Now this. Sad...
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Camelot One
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join:2001-11-21
Sarasota, FL
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Sure, who needs it?

Well sure we can trim some money here, after all, why should our tax paying farmers have broadband? I mean sure, US tax dollars have paid for broadband connections in middle east refugee camps, so that a couple geeks can write a virus ridden P2P app....but rural America just has no need for DSL.

/sarcasm off
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nasadude

join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD

sorry dude

that money is needed to pay for tax cuts for the rich and the iraqi war. Besides, it's obvious how this government feels about broadband - just look at the FCC's antics.
DonLibes
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join:2003-01-19

Re: sorry dude

A new line should appear shortly on your regular payroll statement:

Halliburton Tax $400.39

LegoPower77
Abecedarian
Premium
join:2002-08-03
Arlington, VA

Tax cuts for the rich?

I suppose it doesn't matter that the top 50% of wage earners pay 96% of all income taxes, or that the top 1% pay over one third of the income taxes and the bottom 50% only pays 4%. It doesn't matter that in percentage terms, the bottom 50% got a bigger tax cut or that some people, because of the earned income tax credit, don't pay any taxes yet they receive a tax refund. And it doesn't matter that economics tells us that supply side works, that under both Reagan's tax cuts and now Bush's tax cuts, the economy grew and in Regan's case, the receipts to the IRS actually rose.

No, you see, the eeeevil rich don't need that money. The eeevil rich won't do anything with their money to help stimulate the economy. The eeeevil rich is best spent by some Washington politician to buy votes.

Who are you to decide? Oh yeah, Leftist commissars know best. This is communism, pure and simple. You people make me sick.

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Sarick
It's Only Logical
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join:2003-06-03
USA
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It's used for EX-SPANSION

I really hate to say this but I've just found out most of these communities that are getting rural broadband aren't getting a real unshared DSL link.

From what I understand the ISP I use is renting a T1 for this area and they have upward of 20 users on it. The USVC fund is going to the rental cost of this T1!

What I see here is a company not willing to make the CO DSL Complete instead they are hooking up a single T1 and putting multiple users on it. T1 is 1500/1500 in most cases DSL max is 1000/128. If you have 3 users online downloading at full bandwidth your downloads are 500/128. It works but the link is far from being DSL enabled.
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GerryB

join:2003-03-16
Manchester Township, NJ

Re: It's used for EX-SPANSION

What? Every single consumer ISP in the world does this.

dilettante

join:2002-01-01
Haslett, MI

Re: It's used for EX-SPANSION

I think people get confused by the hype that xDSL offerings provide "unshared" facilities unlike cable-based systems. I never could see why users bought into that nonsense, as if their provider gave them a direct, unshared pipe to the Internet backbone.

The power of TLAs, I suppose.

Sarick
It's Only Logical
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join:2003-06-03
USA

Re: It's used for EX-SPANSION

That's what I was looking for, The ISP stated the hype you mentioned above.

-Kudos From Sarick..

oliphant5
Got Identity?
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join:2003-05-24
Corona, CA

That's okay

Since the telco-shills claim that there is no government deployment money used to build infrastructure.

FLECOM
Bay Networks Freak
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join:2003-03-03
Miami, FL

Re: That's okay

said by oliphant5 See Profile:
Since the telco-shills claim that, after stealing it all for their own personal use, there is no government deployment money used to build infrastructure.
corrected

nunya
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Here we go again. Maybe you ought to look into this a little closer. I started to fill out the 70 page application, but became disheartened after reading the outrageous requirements. There is little encouragement for "true" rural deployment. The only ones getting money out of this are Mom and Pop's and co-op's (Small and mid size ILECs and FB-CLECs). You are partially correct that the money will not be used for its intended purpose. Most will roll out some sort of Pseudo Broadband and charge an outrageous fee for the privilege. Meanwhile people such as small WISPs, who can actually provide a decent bb service, are struggling to raise the capital to set up POPs. Either make the money obtainable by every true provider, or no provider.
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oliphant5
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Re: That's okay

Doesn't change the fact that telcos still take taxpayer money for deployement.

nunya
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Show us.

oliphant5
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Re: That's okay

You say that every time, and I show you every time.

Here is a nice example $2.1 Billion: »Pennsylvania Showdown
»www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/5210654.htm

And another example, another $50 million:
»PA Broadband Debate Continues

Bookmark it this time and CC it to Boogie.
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[text was edited by author 2003-10-29 19:49:33]

nunya
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Re: That's okay

"The expiring legislation, passed in 1993 and known as Chapter 30, removed certain regulatory burdens, including caps on profits, on Verizon and other phone carriers in exchange for commitments to upgrade their networks to provide statewide broadband service by 2015."



Did you think nobody would bother to look? PUHLEESE. Tax incentives are not public funding. Almost every big time employer in the entire country gets tax incentives on the local, state, or federal level.

The Ford plant here in town gets a tax break. I guess that every Ford is built using public money. The steel plant paid a big fat 0 in taxes this year. I guess that means all of that steel produced belongs to "the people".

If you want to talk about phone companies ripping off the public, let's talk about MCI Worldscum.
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boogie74

join:2001-06-19
Neenah, WI
clubs:

Re: That's okay

quote:
Did you think nobody would bother to look? PUHLEESE.
This guy is STILL putting links up in hopes that no one reads them?? What's worse is that he's putting up links that go to op-ed pieces by Karl Bode on BBR.

He's not worth your time to even argue with- he really should get a job or something- cuz he sure doesn't work in telecom with his "knowledge"

Boogie

oliphant5
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Re: That's okay

said by boogie74 See Profile:
quote:
Did you think nobody would bother to look? PUHLEESE.
This guy is STILL putting links up in hopes that no one reads them?? What's worse is that he's putting up links that go to op-ed pieces by Karl Bode on BBR.

He's not worth your time to even argue with- he really should get a job or something- cuz he sure doesn't work in telecom with his "knowledge"

Boogie
Boogie...more hand holding is necessary I see. You really need to take some reading classes. And wow, I didn't know Karl wrote for the Philly Inquirerer...again you seem to have a real trouble telling the truth.

quote:
Out of the 2.1 billion dollars received in the deal, $1.5 billion of it consisted of extra tax deductions.
So what was the other SIX HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS shill? Only in your shill filled mind is the gov't giving a telco money, not a gov't giving a telco money.

Give it up Boogie...you make these insane claims and are shot down time and time again. Just how much are the telcos paying you anyway?

What's next...you going to claim the telcos don't take increases again? It would be nice, we're all in need of a good laugh.
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[text was edited by author 2003-10-29 22:35:27]

oliphant5
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Corona, CA


Tax breaks earmarked for a single company isn't a subsidy? $2.1 Billion to a SINGLE COMPANY in exchange for DEPLOYMENT isn't a subsidy? In exchange for deployment, they got to keep $1.5 billion they would have paid the government...the OTHER $600 million wasn't. So how in your twisted logic is that not the government paying for the deployment? How is the government giving back billions that were owed by A PARTICULAR COMPANY in exchange for deployment by THAT PARTICULAR COMPANY not public funding of that deployment? The rewriting of the dictionary is nice, but makes you look really silly.

Oh, and nice clipping there sport, how about telling the whole story:
quote:
In 1994 Verizon (then Bell Atlantic) struck a landmark deal with the state, which provided Verizon with hefty financial incentives if they met certain broadband rollout criteria. It's estimated that those financial incentives over the years wound up clocking in at somewhere around $2.1 billion dollars.

PUHLEESE...you really need to get hooked on phonics and at least make a vague attempt at telling the truth rather than telco spin.
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[text was edited by author 2003-10-29 22:34:09]

LegoPower77
Abecedarian
Premium
join:2002-08-03
Arlington, VA


Kill it completely

I don't like paying for people's living choices. People who decide to live in a rural, hard-to-wire area should have to subsidize my high housing costs here in population dense Fairfax county where I've decided to live before accepting my hard-earned $$ for their convenience. Last I looked the Constitution doesn't guarantee a right to broadband access; but many in here treat the subject as if it does.
[text was edited by author 2003-11-03 06:59:35]
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