 Smith6612
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united state | DRM failed again... Who'd know that places like Rhapsody would ditch the DRM? Nobody likes it :P
As for the Verizon Wireless deal, if it does happen I wonder if that'll be an add-on to vCast and you won't be charged for it if you have a Rhapsody account. | |
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| Re: DRM failed again... said by Smith6612  :Who'd know that places like Rhapsody would ditch the DRM? Nobody likes it :P As for the Verizon Wireless deal, if it does happen I wonder if that'll be an add-on to vCast and you won't be charged for it if you have a Rhapsody account. The article says it's an additional $15 and the songs downloaded to phones are still protected with DRM. | |
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| Re: DRM failed again... However, it looks like you get a DRM-Free download for your PC:
Verizon Wireless customers — subscribers to the unlimited V CAST Music with Rhapsody service or not — can purchase music directly from their phones and have the songs delivered over the air to their handsets. Unlike any other mobile music service, any tracks purchased over the air will be also downloaded — in DRM-free MP3 format — to the customer's PC. If this is the case, then that $15 a month would be worth it if you typically buy 16 or more songs a month. Personally, I wouldn't find it worth the monthly fee. I tend to buy music in bursts. I might buy five or six songs one month, no songs for the next four months, and then a dozen songs on the fifth month.
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MattE
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I think someone needs to tell them that the Sprint Music Store also give you a free PC download. | |
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mrchris
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Jason Levine
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| Re: DRM failed again... I used to be able to do that with my old Verizon phone and BitPIM. When it came time to renew my contract, I got a new phone. Lo and behold, Verizon has locked BitPIM out of writing to the phone so I can't upload new ringtones.
I did find a workaround with MyxerTones.com which lets me send MP3 files to my phone as Picture Messages (which can then be saved on the phone as a ringtone). This winds up costing me $0.25 for each ringtone. It's not as good of a deal as "upload for free using BitPIM", but it's still a better deal than the $1.99 per ringtone that Verizon charges.
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dadkins
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| No DRM? No DRM? No 30 second clip but the whole freakin song?
Wonder how long before iTunes follows. 
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| Re: No DRM? said by dadkins :No DRM? No 30 second clip but the whole freakin song? Wonder how long before iTunes follows. Competition is great, aint it? I hope they do. I have an iPod, which I love, and an account on the iTunes store, because for some dumb reason you can't download cover art without it, but I haven't bought anything from them. I refuse to have anything to do with that DRM crap, especially after the Sony Rootkit fiasco.
Ditch the DRM, and I might actually buy something from iTunes. I've already bought a few mp3s from Amazon, but their selection hasn't been that impressive.
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| Re: No DRM? While I don't know about having to have a iTunes account to download cover art, I've found wikipedia and allmusic.com to be a valuable resource in finding album artwork to attach to songs.
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dvd536
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| said by dadkins :No DRM? No 30 second clip but the whole freakin song? Wonder how long before iTunes follows. Competition is great, aint it? David, remember this is APPLE, they're so great they don't have to compete the normal way. they just slap an "i" on things to get people to buy.
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| Re: Interesting you didn't cover Napster offering the same thing but by allowing store users to listen to an entire song for free instead of the iTunes method of offering just a thirty-second snippet.
Kinda pointless, it's only 25 Songs per user per month.
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| Re: Interesting you didn't cover Napster offering the same thing A PAID account will allow you to play any amount of songs you wish - so I'm told.
All I have is the freebie from Comcast and that is limited to 25 per month.
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| said by pghviewer :but by allowing store users to listen to an entire song for free instead of the iTunes method of offering just a thirty-second snippet.
Kinda pointless, it's only 25 Songs per user per month. So? If you want to listen to an unlimited amount get a subscription. Oh by the way if you're not signed in how are they going to know if you went over 25? | |
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| Re: Interesting you didn't cover Napster offering the same thing I'm curious as well. Would I be able to get 25 on work and home? On each PC in my house? How do they track? Registry, cookie?
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Naperville, IL | Re: Interesting you didn't cover Napster offering the same thing Yeah. I'd noticed that when I had the Comcast 25/month for free thing. | |
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I'm pretty sure these are the rates, but I could be wrong
mp3 bitrate is 256kbps
streaming (aac) 160
download (wma) 160
download (rax) 192 - for purchase...
download (rax) 128 - for Sansa
whatever the case, I'm sure about the mp3 bitrate... the rest are just all a little different...
Sound quality is usually pretty good, though some tracks I think sound too crappy. Just depends though, since some formats are different! | |
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| Re: Interesting you didn't cover Napster offering the same thing Thanks. I was really more wondering about the non-logged in free ones.
My kids get interested occasionally and will go on a tear and listen to music constantly. If the free ones were decent quality, I'd let them play songs through my HTPC and speakers. The crappy MP3s always sound like they will damage my speakers. So, low bitrate songs can't be played through my system. Irrational probably . . . | |
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dvd536
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| said by pghviewer :I assume they don't. I just listened to 5 songs and it says I have 24 remaining.  if you listen to an album they take all the tracks after it finishes.
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| pretty sure they go by IP address...
yes, I have a subscription, and can play anything I want, from any PC I want, all day, and/or all night long
Was $10/month, then they upped it to ~$13, so I got a Sansa and decided it was worth 2 more bucks (from the $13) to be able to load whatever I wanted on a portable - which resides mostly in my vehicle...
Subscription is worth it if you like music. Great to be able to listen to something first, see if it's any good, and then MAYBE buy it if you really want to - but you don't have to! You can still load up your portable and listen for a little while... if you change your mind, or if it just doesn't appeal after awhile, you didn't really LOSE any money in the first place...
Personally, I think it's the best deal out there for music, even if their client is clunky and buggy sometimes.
At least the DRM that you have to use for Sansa (and probably Verizon phones) works decently well and doesn't completely get in the way of actually enjoying the music.
This news of just buying an mp3 and being done with it is good though. Good to know they're not using DRM on purchased tracks/albums now... a step in the right direction for sure. | |
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| Re: Interesting you didn't cover Napster offering the same thing said by amungus :pretty sure they go by IP address... Nope. I log on to a 2nd computer in my house and it showed the same IP. Went to speedtest.net where it shows the IP and bought computer had the same Ip address. Went to rhapsody and I had 25 more plays. In fact I logged on to another account on my computer and guess what, 25 plays. But really if you like a song that much you could just buy it for 99¢ | |
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My kids will enjoy this. They can try out tons of stuff (on their PCs) and then decide on the few that they'll want for purchase for play through the HTPC.
Good move by Rhapsody I think. | |
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dvd536
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| said by BF69 :said by pghviewer :but by allowing store users to listen to an entire song for free instead of the iTunes method of offering just a thirty-second snippet.
Kinda pointless, it's only 25 Songs per user per month. So? If you want to listen to an unlimited amount get a subscription. Oh by the way if you're not signed in how are they going to know if you went over 25? My guess is a cookie or encrypted registry setting.
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| i don't really care about the drm version for cell phones as far as i'm concerned, the cell phone is a closed hardware device, except for a few models out there and along with the people that have the knowledge/will/tools/skill to load their own stuff. they could probably get away with a less robust DRM implementation on a cell than a computer. with a computer, it is a lot easier to hack/crack stuff since easily accessible tools are available. i'd only be concerned with DRM for cell phones when cell phones (the majority, because openmoko appears to be an open phone (?!??)) are easy to change as you see fit. | |
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | No more excuses for stealing All I heard for years was "I steal because I don't like DRM" well let's see Amazon, Napster and now Rhapsody all sell songs DRM-free MP3s. Please don't tell me you don't know how to find these sites. | |
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San Diego, CA | Re: No more excuses for stealing It's fairly obvious that people steal because they want to not pay lol, even drm wasn't a justification. That won't stop them as people don't need reasons to steal anymore they will just do it because the chances of getting caught are so low. | |
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| Re: No more excuses for stealing said by pspcrazy :It's fairly obvious that people steal because they want to not pay lol, even drm wasn't a justification. That won't stop them as people don't need reasons to steal anymore they will just do it because the chances of getting caught are so low. yeah I know it's just one less excuse for them. Now they are spouting the old "I steal to stick it to the RIAA. I'm doing to show my support for the artists!"
A) the artist rather have his 3¢ cut from the song you stole than your "support"
B) That's kind of like "sticking it" to the CEOs of wal-mart and "supporting" the workers by shoplifting. Even though money lost by shoplifting comes out the quartly bonuses of those same employees you're trying "help". | |
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| More P2P users likely are buying DRM free downloads now that they are more readily available. I bet some are still balking at the price point as that is still a sticking point to most who are against the RIAA, and $.99 per track or $10 per album on a compressed soft copy may still seem too expensive for what you get. You can blame the record labels for that price point as they are still holding out on their same old business model.
Either way no matter how you look at it progress is progress and it has already been proven that an online distribution model will make money (to the chagrin of RIAA speculators). | |
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yes, subscription tracks are still "protected" but if you subscribe, it's no big deal. I find their subscription plan to be just fine. Can load up my Sansa whenever I want, with whatever I want, and not have to worry about paying a buck a track (or, ~$.80 in my case since I subscribe  ).
Their "helix" drm actually works well for me most of the time, for subscription tracks.. You can download whatever is available, licenses need to be renewed in 30-day intervals, but it's MUCH better than .wma protection and its headaches. Sansa just renews itself as a DEVICE instead of per-track - which caused lots of trouble for the whole "plays for sure" thing...
Phones from Verizon probably act the same way as a Sansa - just renew once a month and your music is good to go.
The 25 free plays has been that way for some time. Better than 30-seconds for those 25 plays at least...
Go Rhapsody. They do need to overhaul their main client software, but the idea itself is great.
Read an article earlier today comparing their service to tivo in its early days... people didn't know what they were missing if they'd never used it. Granted, I think tivo is a ripoff because of the monthly fee AFTER you BUY the thing, but that's my opinion. Rhapsody is slightly different - you don't have to buy anything - you can simply listen to music as much, or as little as you want. No need to actually buy anything if you don't want to...
They've been selling SOME mp3s lately, but this sounds like a very good move on their part to just let people buy a song/album and not have to worry about the headaches of drm. Makes actually listening to music much easier. The troubles with their drm purchased tracks are just all over the place. Sometimes it won't let you burn, for instance. This should simplify things greatly for many people.
...got sucked into Rhapsody after a trial several years ago - and then the first 3 months were only $5 each to do unlimited streaming... since then, I've just kept it and not looked back. My ibrary is now 12,427 tracks, or 33.6 days of nonstop music
Some say other services might have a little more selection - sure, but there are also things Rhapsody has which others do not. | |
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| Re: awesome said by amungus :Go Rhapsody. They do need to overhaul their main client software, but the idea itself is great. Read an article earlier today comparing their service to tivo in its early days... people didn't know what they were missing if they'd never used it. Granted, I think tivo is a ripoff because of the monthly fee AFTER you BUY the thing, but that's my opinion. And the nice thing about a Rhapsody account is if you have one, you can access your Rhapsody on your Tivo as well -- which is great since my Tivo is hooked up to my home theater receiver and it sounds great. | |
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| free - so I tested itsince they were giving a $10.00 credit to those that signed up for the store (was already a free member from comcast) so I found a album i didn't have and 'bought' it.
seems ok.. no drm and the mp3 is 256kbps..
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join:2005-05-26
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| Nothing new... Isn't Napster already DRM free? Though I still applaud them for doing it.
My question would be when will we get DRM free content at decent bitrates. I really wish they would adopt the AllofMP3 model of DRM free music where you can choose the file type and bitrate you want. | |
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| Re: Nothing new... said by AnnaS8 :I really wish they would adopt the AllofMP3 model of DRM free music where you can choose the file type and bitrate you want. You mean the same model as the street vendors in NYC selling bootleg copies of CDs and DVDs? | |
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| Re: Nothing new... said by RickNY :said by AnnaS8 :I really wish they would adopt the AllofMP3 model of DRM free music where you can choose the file type and bitrate you want. You mean the same model as the street vendors in NYC selling bootleg copies of CDs and DVDs? No I mean the distribution model that AllofMP3 had. They are not the same. | |
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RickNY
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| Re: Nothing new... said by AnnaS8 :No I mean the distribution model that AllofMP3 had. They are not the same. It's pretty easy to have that distribution model and sell whatever you want, however you want it, when you don't have to worry about the cost of goods you're selling. | |
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| Re: Nothing new... said by RickNY :It's pretty easy to have that distribution model and sell whatever you want, however you want it, when you don't have to worry about the cost of goods you're selling. Spin it however you want. It was still a legal business model. Comparing AllofMP3 to bootleggers is disingenuous. | |
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| said by AnnaS8 :Isn't Napster already DRM free? Though I still applaud them for doing it. My question would be when will we get DRM free content at decent bitrates. I really wish they would adopt the AllofMP3 model of DRM free music where you can choose the file type and bitrate you want. Yup... I used to buy tons of music from AllOfMP3... choice of format and quality and priced accordingly to the quality of your choosing was so attractive that people where willing to jump through hoops to fund their accounts other then just jumping on p2p and have to sift through dodgy sounding or fake files. I hate having a online service decide what quality or format I want to listen to! That's why I don't buy any music right now since AllOfMP3 (aka Alltunes/MP3Sparks) stopped account funding!
I used to listen to 320KB/s MP3's when I had a crap sound setup but now that I have a higher end sound setup running bitperfect/kernel streaming to a outboard DAC I've been redoing my entire collection to lossless Flac. Another thing I absolutely cannot stand or tolerate is proprietary formats! | |
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| Re: CD-STORES. said by BF69 :wal-mart has got all kinds of CDs for $5. wal*marts are censored though.
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| Re: CD-STORES. said by dvd536 :said by BF69 :wal-mart has got all kinds of CDs for $5. wal*marts are censored though. haha true. ...Plus every wal-mart now has a line and some dont have self checkout.
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