Return Of The Net Neutrality Sock PuppetsThe junk scientists at the Heartland Institute ride again... 04:29PM Wednesday Aug 05 2009 by Karl Bodetags: legal · competition · business · Op/Ed · net-neutralityIt's pretty clear that the network neutrality debate has returned. Mark Cuban is fielding his usual fact-optional rants about how broadband video is dead, and an endless supply of telecom industry astroturfers, paid by companies like AT&T, have once-again sallied forth to smear and distort the concept of network neutrality until it resembles the very worst sort of evil. These pseudo-scientists are little more than PR-wizards pretending to be academics, paid by industry to argue. As Stop The Cap points out, there's several groups firing up their unreality engines this week, including the pseudo-science Heartland Institute, a group whose classy history involves working for the Tobacco industry to dispute the cigarette industry's direct and indisputable link to cancer deaths. James Lakely, a Heartland "research fellow" (which sounds so much better than "paid PR flak for repeatedly discredited junk science firm") sounds off on the latest network neutrality bill in an editorial in Philadelphia's The Bulletin. The Internet Freedom Preservation Act of 2009 is poorly named because it would do nothing to preserve freedom. HR 3458 would strip ISPs of the right to manage traffic on the networks they have spent billions to build, market and manage. Of course it does nothing of the sort. The bill (which none of this week's critics appears to have read) allows carriers ample freedom to manage their network capacity as they see fit, but aims to protect consumers from unreasonable restrictions motivated by anti-competitive behavior. James goes on to pretend that consumers facing anti-competitive practices can simply switch providers, which is the oldest and worst sort of fiction. As noted earlier in the week, this is the third effort by select members of Congress to pass laws protecting a consumer's access to the content and services of their choice, but it's likely going to meet the same fate of the previous two, and likely for the same reasons. Telecom lobbyists control congress, and employ a vast network of hired PR agents and lobbyists tasked with destroying any new consumer protection laws of any kind. Once again, each piece of legislation needs to be debated on its individual merits, but that's nearly impossible in a climate where paid mouthpieces with limitless budgets have so severely distorted the issues. As consumers have seen during the last two rounds, the network neutrality "debate" really is no such thing, as lobbyists aren't paid to reach a middle ground -- they're paid to win. And unfortunately for consumers, they almost always do. Still, all is not lost. Fortunately for consumers, while this network neutrality legislation won't pass, the threat of network neutrality regulation remains a very viable threat that shouldn't be overlooked. In instances like Comcast's use of TCP packet forgery, or Time Warner Cable's attempt to impose overage charges up to 2,000% over cost -- the very threat of regulation was enough to correct poor ISP behavior. Related:- Time Warner Cable: Let's Not Talk About Net Neutrality
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| This part is so true.
"James goes on to pretend that consumers facing anti-competitive practices can simply switch providers, which is the oldest and worst sort of fiction"
Here where I live, my choices for broadband internet are as follows: Time Warner Cable.
That's it.
Due to HOA rules, I can not put up a dish for satellite - I live on the north side of the building on the lower level, I would have to put the dish on a tall pole to get it to a sufficient height to be able to see the satellite's over the buildings. I live too far away from the down town Kenosha DSLAM to get any sort of DSL. U-Verse is slowly making its way to my area, but the Condo association wont let them put the VRAD boxes on the property. There are no other cable companys that serve our area...
Where are these "other providers" to switch to? -- I've discovered that I often visit the state of confusion, and I know my way around pretty well. | |
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| Re: This part is so true. I know all about that rule, and even quoted it to the HOA. They then told me that "any external structure such as antenna masts or dish poles needed to be approved by the HOA and the village, and good luck getting the village to approve it".
Apparently they dont want things up in the air to contaminate the 'rustic look' of the area... -- I've discovered that I often visit the state of confusion, and I know my way around pretty well. | |
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join:2006-03-20 Pleasant Prairie, WI | Re: This part is so true. I would have to go up roughly 30 feet. | |
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| Re: This part is so true. Read the rules. You can go above the roof line as defined in the law and THEY have to petition the FCC to have it removed, not you.
HOA's are generally on a power trip, especially when you get new leaders/members that want to change the world and force their ideas on it's members. | |
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join:2003-10-15 Cleveland, OH | Re: This part is so true. the FCC doesn't make laws. They make "rules". | |
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join:2000-09-13 Hazelwood, MO 1 edit | Re: This part is so true. Regardless, you can put up the device per the rules and it is on them to petition the FCC to have it removed. | |
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| said by Warmachine99 :"James goes on to pretend that consumers facing anti-competitive practices can simply switch providers, which is the oldest and worst sort of fiction" Here where I live, my choices for broadband internet are as follows: Time Warner Cable. That's it. Due to HOA rules, I can not put up a dish for satellite - I live on the north side of the building on the lower level, I would have to put the dish on a tall pole to get it to a sufficient height to be able to see the satellite's over the buildings. I live too far away from the down town Kenosha DSLAM to get any sort of DSL. U-Verse is slowly making its way to my area, but the Condo association wont let them put the VRAD boxes on the property. There are no other cable companys that serve our area... Where are these "other providers" to switch to? Don't forget people who have 0 choices.
I really wish that the congressmen would wake up already and see that ISPs have a monopoly and NEED to be regulated until competition gets into the same area. I think to be fair to everyone, the company's prices should only be regulated IF there is no other competition in the area...otherwise let capitalism do its work. By competition I just don't mean people who have DSL and the CO is full, I mean something like wireless internet access vs Comcast where you can jump ship to both in a heartbeat. If that happens, wanna see how fast network technologies get innovated just so all the ISPs have the latest greatest tech to show off to get new customers? | |
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1 edit | said by Warmachine99 :Due to HOA rules, I can not put up a dish for satellite This isn't a "network neutrality" issue (unless you're one of the lobbyists who believes that anything their clients want can be rolled in). However, you should know that the FCC's OTARD rules prohibit any homeowner's association from stopping you from putting up a satellite dish. You can file a complaint with the FCC and get an expedited ruling.
You should also check for WISPs in your area. Perhaps the WISP's antenna site is visible from your window or yard. | |
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| By law you can actually place a pole up to 20 feet above the roof line if needed. The ONLY exception is if the community has an exception listed with the FCC and THEY are responsible for making the claim that you can't put it there to have you take it down. | |
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| Re: Astroturfers - definition depends on whose ox is being gored said by TKJunkMail :It appears that some people like to claim that anyone who disagrees with more government control of ANYTHING are astroturfers. But those who lobby for more government regulation are not. Well I see these groups that are lobbying for more government control as just as much an astroturfer. It is just that they have chosen to back those who will slap more government controls, and of course more costs with higher taxes, on business. These people just astroturf FOR those bureaucrats that like lifetime jobs in the government. The largest difference between consumer groups and pro-big business groups is the use of faulty data and outright lies by those astroturfers. For example, as Karl pointed out the group trying to get the Net Neutrality bill killed was also the group arguing smoking wasn't related to cancer.
Certainly there are many, many more examples, as pointed out on this site and especially on stopthecap.com, where ISP astroturfers use horribly skewed and inaccurate data to influence legislation and actions taken by the FCC.
Furthermore, you seem to be confusing consumer groups with 'groups lobbying for more government control'. There is a big difference. One wants the government to ensure fairness and equality for everyone, and to help deal with the inherent failures of an unfettered capitalistic market. The other...I don't know...are there even any groups who blindly want more government control? | |
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| quote: It appears that some people like to claim that anyone who disagrees with more government control of ANYTHING are astroturfers.
I agree with you on this point. I know that you are frequently unfairly accused of this and I don't think you deserve to be treated like that.
quote: But those who lobby for more government regulation are not. Well I see these groups that are lobbying for more government control as just as much an astroturfer. It is just that they have chosen to back those who will slap more government controls, and of course more costs with higher taxes, on business. These people just astroturf FOR those bureaucrats that like lifetime jobs in the government.
I disagree on this point.
I don't think there is much in the way of people who are being paid by government bureaucrats to advocate for more bureaucracy.
There is a difference between lobby, in the general sense of advocacy, and being a paid lobbyist. Are you refusing to see a distinction between people who simply advocate something they believe and people whose job is to be paid by an interest to try to influence legislation to advance that interest and who generally try to hide that payment in order to pose as having a different motive than they actually have(for example posing as "consumers for such and such" when they are really a paid corporate flack). | |
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| In Other News, Water Is Wet That there exist astroturf morons like Mark Cuban et al should come as no surprise to anyone who is paying attention to NN and the direction the net is taking as providers vie for ::CONTROL:: n
In the final analysis, I predict the net becomes just like cable TV. 500 channels, 12 of which the majority of subcribers watch at least half of the time, walled gardens and PPV. The ultimate goal is a few select, behemoth providers control 98% of the content on the web, just as was done to both cable and the airwaves. If you think Clear Channel radio sucks ass, you haven't seen anything yet once providers take over and quadruple dip everyone for Internet access. | |
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| can't agree Talking about "pseudo-science". When are you going to stop living in the Internet age of 5 years ago Karl? One Internet option? Yes this was a big problem many years ago. It is a shrinking problem in most metro areas today. And don't come back with rural and underdeveloped areas. That's an entirely different problem.
I currently have 7 major players offering broadband Internet in my area of North Atlanta, and BPL may be soon to follow here as well.
Yes, I understand that Atlanta, along with Portland, Las Vegas and a few others major cities have been the test beds of new technologies. But this is a sign of the coming competitive market place nation wide.
Many of the complaints we see in policy circles about broadband choice is often due to individuals that live in apartment/condos or neighborhoods whose management group or housing group have made the choice to contract with one particular agency. That is their fault, not a fault of leaving choice on the table.
The problem with Net Neutrality in general as we know it is that everyone has a different definition of the concept because the concept incorporates too many issues. Regulating all these issues is not necessary. If there is a particular need then that need should be addressed with legislation. Blanket regulation of a broad issue will only hamper innovation.
I would invite anyone reading this article to read Tim Lee's: The Durable Internet: Preserving Network Neutrality without Regulation (»www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=9775).
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2 edits | Re: can't agree I currently have 7 major players offering broadband Internet in my area of North Atlanta, and BPL may be soon to follow here as well. 7 competitors? Sigh. BPL? I really hope your clients aren't paying you very much, because they're not getting their money's worth. Going to leave this post undeleted for entertainment's sake, but sorry - post locked, since paid spam (which is what this is) is against the site's terms of service. | |
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| said by thehondaboy :I would invite anyone reading this article to read Tim Lee's: The Durable Internet: Preserving Network Neutrality without Regulation (» www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=9775). N.Brown Telecommunications Policy Consultant thelobbyist.net hownowbrowncow@twitter Anything that comes out of the Cato Institute should be taken with at least a truckload of rock salt. I mean come on, if it were up to the Libertarians, they would have sold off all the national parks, including all of the State of Alaska to the highest bidder long ago. This particular paper you cite is no different. Here is the abstract for anyone not interested in slogging through the 44 pgs.
Government regulation = Bad Mass Privitization = Good
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1 edit | Re: ugh... said by doublea :It never ends.... the customer is always LAST This is true. "Network neutrality" regulation would put big content providers like Google first and the customer (whom it would give poorer and more expensive service and fewer choices of ISPs) last. | |
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| Re: ugh... said by SuperWISP :said by doublea :It never ends.... the customer is always LAST This is true. "Network neutrality" regulation would put big content providers like Google first and the customer (whom it would give poorer and more expensive service and fewer choices of ISPs) last. More FUD, Wisp? | |
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1 edit | Re: ugh... said by digitalfreak :More FUD, Wisp? Yes, the network neutrality lobbyists are spreading more FUD... and attempting to use the fear they are generating to get legislation passed that would regulate the Internet. Have you seen Markey's latest Internet regulation bill? It would effectively kill off every ISP except for the telephone and cable companies. | |
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join:2000-09-13 Hazelwood, MO | Re: ugh... Explain how it would kill off all other ISP's including yours?
Because as an ISP, you are more interested in maximizing profits and not providing maximum service to your users, unless of course that meant you could make more money from them. | |
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| Re: ugh... said by Skippy25 :Explain how it would kill off all other ISP's including yours? Because it's tough already for competitive ISPs to make a profit. The telcos and cable companies already have buildings full of lawyers to deal with regulations. The smaller and competitive ones don't. What's more, they have higher bandwidth costs, and the bill would prevent these ISPs from effectively controlling bandwidth usage.
said by Skippy25 :Because as an ISP, you are more interested in maximizing profits and not providing maximum service to your users, unless of course that meant you could make more money from them. Nonsense. You have some nerve. For 17 years, it has been my mission to bring the best Internet possible to unserved and underserved areas. And our company has had several quarters in which it wasn't profitable at all. Those losses were directly out of my pocket.
Just try walking a mile in my moccasins, and you'll know what years of hard work for too little compensation is like. | |
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| Re: ugh... I have walked in your shoes as I have ran a computer business that has less then 2% margins for years. Most times I sold parts at a loss and had to make up for it on service.
Regardless, regulation is going to happen and needs to happen. Not only to protect the customer but to protect people like you. You can review every post I have put on here and it is clear I am very much for the consumer. With that, I am very much for bringing the current monopoly/duopoly to it's knees and making it better for people to compete with them. People like you. | |
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| said by SuperWISP :Nonsense. You have some nerve. For 17 years, it has been my mission to bring the best Internet possible to unserved and underserved areas. And our company has had several quarters in which it wasn't profitable at all. Those losses were directly out of my pocket. however, the motivation for you to install a broadband network would not have been there had you felt that there was no potential to make money, correct? given your incredible "keep government out of broadband posts" that do nothing to villify the current regulatory proposals to help consumers not get blindsided by the current suspects, i have a hard time believing you did this out of the goodness of your own heart.
you did this because you felt you could make money. as any smart business person, you should have weighed the costs of doing business against the return on investment. if you feel that you are receiving "too little compensation" you are more than welcome to go out of business. however, you are a victim in the web you have woven.
if you can't deal, then quit. however, don't bitch about how righteous you are when you are doing this for the same reasons that the major carriers are. they are just making more money at it....
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| Re: ugh... said by tubbynet :however, the motivation for you to install a broadband network would not have been there had you felt that there was no potential to make money, correct? Not true at all. Deploying broadband, for me, is a mission and a service to the community. In fact, my company was started as a non-profit co-op. However, to create jobs, grow, and provide the best possible service, we went private -- at the request of the membership.
And you have some d**n nerve to attempt to vilify me just because you want something for nothing. | |
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| Re: ugh... said by SuperWISP :And you have some d**n nerve to attempt to vilify me just because you want something for nothing. i'm beginning to see a pattern here. you make bold, outrageous statements that are only there to shill, troll, or further your political agenda. when someone then calls you out on something that is a glaring factual error, glaring logical error, or just plain nonsensical, you attempt to slander them by insisting that they "aren't in the business, so they must be wanting something for free". its getting old SuperWISP .
if you actually read my post for its content, rather than the words that you *wanted* to read, you would have seen that in no way did i say "i want everything for nothing". while not in the broadband business, i probably touch more networking gear in a year than the amount of money you bring in as a wisp. i know the cost of the infrastructure. i know the cost of the bandwidth that my customers are paying for. i am versed in broadband policy as this is our future.
my post was simply to verify your motives - to make money. you claim that you are more righteous and holier than thou by bringing broadband to laramie. you act as if *you* are the one who should be receiving a non-stop stream of kudos, accolades, and commendments. my post was simply to point out that you should have done your business research (as every small business must do in order to see if they can "make it" as a business) to find out your total cost of operating. if you miscalculated and are losing money because of it, it is through no ones fault than your own and you have no room to complain - which seems to be all that you do on these forums.
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1 edit | Mr McFly "I would invite anyone reading this article to read Tim Lee's: The Durable Internet: Preserving Network Neutrality without Regulation".......yeah right.......is he coming out with a sequel entitled " Tim Lee's: The Durable Economy: Preserving the Financial Industry without Regulation"?
The major carriers have had a decade since then President Clintons tax subsidies to come up with a state of the art competitive broadband scenario. Now we're looking at caps that don't relieve congestion, carriers dumping not-enough-profit areas, and mobile companies choosing what you may or may not use. Can you say with a straight face that the carriers left alone would be more beneficial to the consumer? -- BF69~~~Please stop suffocating gerbils! | |
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| Re: Mr McFly No they can't say that with a straight face, however they will still sit here and try to tell us that the industry will take care of us because it is in their best interest to do so. Unfortunately, the facts dictate otherwise and yet they refuse to acknowledge that and will throw every excuse and lame PR attempt to claim otherwise. | |
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4 edits | Re: thank you for... It's interesting that you should mention the notion of "junk science." You see, Google -- the funding source behind most of the lobbying efforts for "network neutrality" -- has hired the infamous DCI Group to lobby for it in DC. According to SourceWatch and many other sources (just do a Web search on their name), The DCI Group is an "astroturf" front group which has run lobbying campaigns for the tobacco industry (in which it claimed that links between smoking and cancer were "junk science"), energy producers (in which it claimed that global warming was "junk science"), and McDonald's (in which it stated that any claims that its food was bad for you were "junk science"). It's now conducting campaigns on behalf of large insurance companies, opposing health care reform.
Likewise, the lobbyists who are pushing "network neutrality" regulations are well known for making false accusations of "junk science" on behalf of large corporations (such as Google) when in fact the science is real and proven. That's true in this case as well. Queueing theory and statistics show that networks must be managed to avoid problems. Reasonable network management means prioritizing time-sensitive protocols and limiting attempts to hog the network.
Also see this expose' in The Register for more on Google's astroturf lobbying. | |
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| in peace prepare for war These people are wanting to erode rights. These people are destroying or indirectly causing destruction of our planet. These people are greedy.
Stand up and talk to everyone around you about WHY it is important.
Neutrality is a nice thing isn't it. Usually associated with impartiality. It has a nice feel that it would be nice to see more NEUTRAL facets of life. The problem is that humans are by nature the sum of there experiences and while most of that can be said form and up to age 5 a lot of that behaviour can be unlearned and changed over time.
Propagating such things as religion used to alter behaviour for the lessoning of knowledge is one such thing that needs ot be address, then add that what the corporates did was give you everyhting so your off not paying attention while lil laws get in.
The fact in canada all the top three leaders now have an association to a copyright collective aka harper and ctv and hollywood via the aspers iggnatieff joins a writers union. Jack layton already is a member of same union.
HOW CAN CANADA then GET an unbiased net neutral internet let alone copyright regime.
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| re: can't agree Thanks for the compliments Karl. Maybe you should turn me into the White House for disagreeing with you. As for my available ISP's your welcome to come to my house and make the phone calls to each one of them to see if I can get service or not. I would welcome it along with the apology I would receive afterwards. | |
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| The Heartland Institute responds I'm the guy who wrote that piece that has generated this post and so many comments (thanks, by the way, to those who came to my defense).
It's just easier now to paste the link to my response at Heartland's blog. Feel free to leave comments.
»fromtheheartland.org/?p=393
Best, Jim Lakely | |
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