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And needs to consider having 1Gbps service by 2015 to stay competitive...
09:52AM Wednesday Jun 25 2008 by Karl Bode
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A new report for the e-NC Authority developed by the Baller Herbst Law Group (I've interviewed muni-deployment expert Jim Baller several times over the years) argues that in order to remain competitive, the U.S. must have widespread deployment of 100Mbps service by 2012, with 1Gbps service emerging by 2015. Hey if you're going to dream, you might as well dream big (see executive summary and report itself, pdf).

The report notes that while we're slightly behind at the moment (we're number 15 in penetration and 22 in price according to the latest OECD data), we're in real danger of falling flat on our face. The combination of feeble penetration mapping, no over-arching deployment plan and limited deployment of FiOS and DOCSIS 3.0 could spell trouble in an age where broadband is quickly shifting from luxury service to necessary utility.

"Opponents may argue that the United States cannot realistically meet the targets and timetables that we propose, especially in hard-to-reach rural areas," admits the report. "To be sure, our proposed goals are very aggressive and may not be fully achievable. But the United States is losing critical ground every day, and we cannot afford further delays or half measures."

Of course even half-measures would be an epic improvement, considering this country currently has no broadband expansion plan whatsoever. Thanks to a combination of government corruption, dysfunction and industry lobbyist interference, we only just started mapping broadband penetration -- and that's still very much a work in progress. Ubiquitous 100Mbps by 2012? That would require some form of thaumaturgy.

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johnsea66
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Ya....right...

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Ya....right...
That was just perfect. The frist comment was yours. Funny thing is I said the same thing before I even click to read this news article.
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Betting Pool:

1 to 2 odds we don't even see 10mbit symmetrical in the U.S. by 2012 in more than 10 percent of American homes.

1 to 50 odds we actually see download speeds of 50mbit by 2012 but upload speeds of about 5 mbit in say 20 percent of homes.

Incalculable odds we see 100mbit in homes by 2012.

Since we're apt to toss out numbers, I got 100 percent odds that lobbyists will be keen to throw around their weight in order to prevent any real broadband development or improvements. All the while, ISPS go backwards in contrast to the world, and install more strict caps.

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said by johnsea66 See Profile :

Ya....right...
That was just perfect. The frist comment was yours. Funny thing is I said the same thing before I even click to read this news article.
Haha, ya, that was my first thought.
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us will probably be lucky to have 100 meg by 2015 much less 1 gig

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No

What the US absolutely must have by 2012 is universal health care. I'd willingly go back to dial-up if every resident of this country got health-care as a result.

Sure, having a decent broadband infrastructure would help competitiveness, but that boat sailed a long time ago when we shipped our factories to China and our software development to India and imported Mexicans to make our fast food and cut our grass. 100Mbps won't fix that.
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Waste of breathe the current ISPs will fight tooth and nail to stay where they are and Kevin Martin really doesn't seem to care.

Nobody will listen and nobody wants to flt the bill.

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Kevin doesn't care because he has a high paying job waiting for him at ATT as soon as he's done fucking the nation in his current position.
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said by kapil See Profile :

What the US absolutely must have by 2012 is universal health care. I'd willingly go back to dial-up if every resident of this country got health-care as a result.

Sure, having a decent broadband infrastructure would help competitiveness, but that boat sailed a long time ago when we shipped our factories to China and our software development to India and imported Mexicans to make our fast food and cut our grass. 100Mbps won't fix that.
We need 100mbps, better health care, electric cars, bridges rebuilt, hospitals built, rebuilt school systems. If only the US would stop wasting so much money on stupid things.

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said by XBL2007 See Profile :

We need 100mbps, better health care, electric cars, bridges rebuilt, hospitals built, rebuilt school systems. If only the US would stop wasting so much money on stupid things.
It will never happen. Issawi's Law of Conservation of Evil states: "The total amount of evil in any system remains constant. Hence, any diminution in one direction - for instance, a reduction in poverty or unemployment - is accompanied by an increase in another, e.g. crime or air pollution."

Therefore, you can never remove all the waste or inefficiency because it will only pop up in some other form. Also, as an immutable law of the Universe, it cannot be changed.
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I believe the current administration has caused this law to become out of whack and that the supply of evil has increased substantially. This implies that we are due for an uptick in good to bring the supply of evil back to it's original balance.

that being said, it ain't gonna happen with broadband, because the government of this country just doesn't seem to give a sh1t if we have fast, inexpensive, widely deployed broadband or not.
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I think calling that a "Law" is a little generous. Maybe a Rule of thumb, or Superstition.

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I think calling that a "Law" is a little generous. Maybe a Rule of thumb, or Superstition.
I didn't make it up. It is part of the Murphy's collection of laws. If Murphy is considered a law, then so is Isawwi.
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We need 100mbps, better health care, electric cars, bridges rebuilt, hospitals built, rebuilt school systems. If only the US would stop wasting so much money on stupid things.
...you mean war? ding ding ding ding

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said by XBL2007 See Profile :

said by kapil See Profile :

What the US absolutely must have by 2012 is universal health care. I'd willingly go back to dial-up if every resident of this country got health-care as a result.

Sure, having a decent broadband infrastructure would help competitiveness, but that boat sailed a long time ago when we shipped our factories to China and our software development to India and imported Mexicans to make our fast food and cut our grass. 100Mbps won't fix that.
We need 100mbps, better health care, electric cars, bridges rebuilt, hospitals built, rebuilt school systems. If only the US would stop wasting so much money on stupid things.
Like stupid foreign wars that do nothing but kill people, (a lot of them Amercian) make fat-cats richer and bankrupt our country.
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its not the Feds that screw Public School Systems. It's the states that won't turn the money over to them. I went to two school districts in HS. One received only State money. One received Federal Money. Want to know which one was more maintained? the Federally Funded. Buildings that were always being remodeled to be more Eco-Friendly today, computer systems that were always being updated, school buses that weren't broken down all the time, bus drivers that were paid like they should have been, Text books that were new every 3 years (like they should be). and smaller class sizes. The most I had one one class at the Fed. Funded school was 23. The Public State funded the most was 35. BIG difference in terms of weather or not you had a text book that day with all the pages still there or one that was missing half of the chapter, or a Xerox copy.
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said by kapil See Profile :

What the US absolutely must have by 2012 is universal health care. I'd willingly go back to dial-up if every resident of this country got health-care as a result.

The US already has universal health care. You get hurt or sick anywhere in the country you can go to a doctor ANYWHERE. What YOU want is for the government (ie ME) to pay for your health care.
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said by AricBrown See Profile :

The US already has universal health care. You get hurt or sick anywhere in the country you can go to a doctor ANYWHERE. What YOU want is for the government (ie ME) to pay for your health care.
That's not true and you know it.

As far as YOU paying for it . Leet me ask yo is peoel wthout health get sick and don't go to the doctor and misses work and that hurts the economy that's going to cost you a lot more. If they end up so bad the end up in the ER sure then you'll pay REAL big for their health care. $50 doctor visit or $500 ER visit you're paying for one or the other, CHOOSE.

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That's not true and you know it.
Spoken like someone who hasn't been to an urban ER.
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said by BF69 See Profile :

That's not true and you know it.
Spoken like someone who hasn't been to an urban ER.
that's not the same as walking into ANY doctors office you want which the poster alludes to. HUGE difference.

Oh and by the way since WE, the taxpayers do pay for the ER visit wouldn't it be cheaper just to pay for the guy to go to a regular doctor? Probably 1/10 the cost.

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Oh and by the way since WE, the taxpayers do pay for the ER visit wouldn't it be cheaper just to pay for the guy to go to a regular doctor? Probably 1/10 the cost.
Uh, we do. What do you think Medicare, Medicaid and crap like SCHIP, which pays for "children" up to age 26 and in families with incomes up to $83k a year pay for?
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LOL $500 ER visit. You living in the 1920s or something?

1 day hospital bill $4,9xx with minor exams and a ER visit.
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said by person842 :

LOL $500 ER visit. You living in the 1920s or something?

1 day hospital bill $4,9xx with minor exams and a ER visit.
BS. In 1994 I had a car wreck was in the hospital for a week had surgery on my leg and the entire bill was 16 grand which included the ambulance service.

Three year ago my son cuts open the bottom of his foot on some broken glass. ER visit which included stiches and return visit 2 weeks later totaled $700. Where in the fuck do you get $5000 grand for "minor" stuff?

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said by AricBrown See Profile :

The US already has universal health care. You get hurt or sick anywhere in the country you can go to a doctor ANYWHERE. What YOU want is for the government (ie ME) to pay for your health care.
Only if you have insurance coverage. Otherwise, you go to a county hospital and let the rest of us pick up the tab for you. At least here in New York, if you do not pay taxes, you are under 18 or over 65 you get Universal Health Care. Those of us who do not fall into those categories, pay for it.
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said by AricBrown See Profile :

The US already has universal health care. You get hurt or sick anywhere in the country you can go to a doctor ANYWHERE. What YOU want is for the government (ie ME) to pay for your health care.
get a clue dude, who do you think pays the bill when someone without health insurance or the ability to pay walks into an emergency room? [note: I assume you are talking about emergency room care, because this is the repuglican talking point and you sure as hell ain't gonna get to see a private physician with no health insurance and no means to pay].

they may write some of the cost off, but the rest of it goes into making YOUR health care cost more.

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Amen. Finally someone intelligent answering

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said by kapil See Profile :

What the US absolutely must have by 2012 is universal health care. I'd willingly go back to dial-up if every resident of this country got health-care as a result.
NO THANKS!

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said by kapil See Profile :

What the US absolutely must have by 2012 is universal health care. I'd willingly go back to dial-up if every resident of this country got health-care as a result.

Sure, having a decent broadband infrastructure would help competitiveness, but that boat sailed a long time ago when we shipped our factories to China and our software development to India and imported Mexicans to make our fast food and cut our grass. 100Mbps won't fix that.

Can we say bigot? Mexicans must only work in fast food joints and cutting grass.
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and can we say Raceist for you?
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The US does NOT need 'universal health care' what the health care system needs is a series of laws past and enforce that put the doctors in charge of the patient's health and not the health insurance companies. universal health care is another way to improving the health care of people, but not the only way. who know, maybe what i'm proposing would morph into a for of universal health care.

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Cornelius you are so crazy. Doctors make you wait like a beggar dog in double waiting rooms, because of no compition and total power over you.

We need to put the PATIENTS IN CHARGE not the Doctors - already Doctors are in charge like you are a little baby who needs them to write and order treatments for you.

As an adult I should decide what Meds and what treatment and tests I need.

A doctor told this model friend of mine to get a Colonoscopy for Ulcerative Colits, she refused, and the doctor dumped her, told her to get out of the office for refusing medical advice.

BTW the Doctor runs the Colonoscopy facility, and will make allot of Insurance money doing the coloscopy. So my friend knows what she needs for body and health, not some stupid Doctor.

USA really spoils the doctors, makes them behave exactly like Cops! Both proffetions are unique in ability to talk down at you and you have to take it, the Cop will put you in Jail if you look at him wrong or if he doesn't like your religion etc... Well A DOCTOR will mess up your operation or screw up your health if he feels you did not praise him enough or because you are wrong ethinicity... We can advocaate for our Cars health to a mechanic, but we can never advocate for our own body with a doctor without the doctor getting reven for irritating him with too many inteligent questions. MD's do not like smart patients as they make the MD work too hard, a dumb patient the love, as dumb patients will think the Doctor is GOD even as the Doctor is screwing up.
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said by kapil See Profile :

What the US absolutely must have by 2012 is universal health care.
So, you want the government to do to health care what it did to retirement (bankrupted Social Security by abusing it and using the money for everything not related to social security/retirement) and education (churning out uneducated folks by giving them passing grades so their feelings don't get hurt)?

Every time government tries to run something, it bloats the cost and usually corrupts it so bad, the system fails miserably, at which point the politicians' only "solution" is to throw more money at it. Repeat cycle.

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said by jc1350 See Profile :

said by kapil See Profile :

What the US absolutely must have by 2012 is universal health care.
So, you want the government to do to health care what it did to retirement (bankrupted Social Security by abusing it and using the money for everything not related to social security/retirement) and education (churning out uneducated folks by giving them passing grades so their feelings don't get hurt)?

Every time government tries to run something, it bloats the cost and usually corrupts it so bad, the system fails miserably, at which point the politicians' only "solution" is to throw more money at it. Repeat cycle.
Actually, social security is a VERY efficient system. The funding problems are due to successive administrations raiding the trust fund for budget shortfalls.

...and until NCLB, the feds had very little to do with local schools besides providing some funding in some cases. ...and some other related benefits like funding for the school lunch program etc.
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Universal health care is a joke. Look at every country that has implemented it and compare their system with our current system. I would rather see 100Mbs broadband speeds and deal with what is sometimes a hassle in terms of health care than have to wait a month to see a doctor that I don't even get to choose.

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said by kapil See Profile :

What the US absolutely must have by 2012 is universal health care. I'd willingly go back to dial-up if every resident of this country got health-care as a result.

I agree with this part. Mainly is what good is a 100Mbps connection for $40/month if you are not going to live long enough to enjoy it, or are denied a life saving surgery.

I would go back to dial up as well. Ironically it's not too slow now a days. I have had some wireless AP's I have connected to that were slower than a dial up equivalent.
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your universal health care cost doesnt have to come from infrastructure budget, however it can come from the Iraq war budget..

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said by ghfg :

your universal health care cost doesnt have to come from infrastructure budget, however it can come from the Iraq war budget..
I agree with that!! why not spend more money curing people than killing them?

Damn what a concept.... better get a patent on that!!
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said by kapil See Profile :

What the US absolutely must have by 2012 is universal health care. I'd willingly go back to dial-up if every resident of this country got health-care as a result.

Sure, having a decent broadband infrastructure would help competitiveness, but that boat sailed a long time ago when we shipped our factories to China and our software development to India and imported Mexicans to make our fast food and cut our grass. 100Mbps won't fix that.
Forget healthcare. Give me bandwidth, and lots of it.

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xtlosx

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are you insane???? I'm tired of paying for people and their needs, it's time to get something for me..

whacko liberal!

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Aaah. The new American way of doing things. Fuck everyone as long as I get mine.

Universal healthcare is going to happen. And it's going to happen this decade. The overwhelming majority of the people in this country want it....and you wingnuts have had enough time in the spotlight.

I'll have my country back now, thank you very much. It was a bad decision to let you babysit it for this long.
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have your country back now? Are you absolutely retarded? Do you have any idea what this country was founded on? Do you know what the founders of this country set out for this country, the vision? It did NOT include the government taking care of people with health care. This is what the private sector is for.

Get it straight, the federal governments job is NOT, I repeat, is NOT to take care of you from the cradle to the grave. When the liberals take office, and your paycheck gets slashed by another 20-30%, you WILL complain becuse your universal health care won't do a GD thing for you. Nor will waiting for a doctors visit for months, or waiting for surgery for months. Have a chat with someone in a country that has this method and see how happy they are.

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The neocon insurgency is in its final throes.

The violent convulsions always happen right before death.

Don't worry grasshopper, it won't be too long till you're resting in peace. Close your eyes and walk towards the light
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said by xtlosx See Profile :

Have a chat with someone in a country that has this method and see how happy they are.
Michael Moore already did that, even if they wait in Canada they still get better healthcare than americans do!

Note: I still haven't found a Canadian yet that would take U.S. health insurance.
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If Ireland has a plan why not the USA

The Irish have a new broadband policy to create the fastest broadband in Europe and also 100% availability.

We should have never allowed the Cable and Telephony companies to corner the market in Broadband.

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It will be capped of course....

You'll have 100Mbs, but have a 50GB cap a month.

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Re: It will be capped of course....

So you can use your new 100Mbs speeds for about an hour a month. Seems about right to me.

As for 1Gbs in 2015, no amount of powerboost, SDV or DOCSIS 3.0 will accomplish that. You'd need an Internet 2 connection.
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Re: It will be capped of course....

that might just be what happens
with the rate that tech is going were going to hit the curve of the line soon and after that its going to go faster then you could ever think

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Huh

What's the point of all this bandwidth, if people are unable to use it?

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said by Davebo_ See Profile :

*Said in best Agent Smith voice* "What's the point of all this bandwidth, if people are unable to use it?"
There, fixed it for you

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In other news...

Another recent report "insists" that I must have a 10,000 square foot house, and a 500% raise by 2012 in order to "stay competitive" in the US workforce. Furthermore, it also "insists" that I must have at least 3 luxury vehicles at my disposal at all times.

Seriously, all these "reports" that come out are a bunch of nonsense. Consumer broadband speeds have nothing to do with anything. The reality is that for businesses, both 100Mbps and GigE speeds are available in most urban or developed areas today. Given that business is what drives the economy, perhaps the report should have been more focused on that. Now I wont argue that business grade 100Mbps (+) connections are cheap ($1000 to $6000 per month), but that cost will surely come down in the next 4 years.

As for consumer connections, I can also argue that this report is baseless. With DOCIS 3.0 rollouts happening as we speak, 100Mbps will be available to large numbers of customers within the next 4 years. There will clearly be large rural areas that will struggle to be served by anything other than dialup, but thats a technical limitation that cant be rectified.

The bottom line is that these "doom and gloom" reports do nothing but stir up the malcontents on this website. The people who really need high capacity connections in the next 4 years will either have them, or they will move to where they are available (assuming that its so necessary for them).
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said by wifi4milez See Profile :

Another recent report "insists" that I must have a 10,000 square foot house, and a 500% raise by 2012 in order to "stay competitive" in the US workforce. Furthermore, it also "insists" that I must have at least 3 luxury vehicles at my disposal at all times.
YES WE CAN!
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I thought that we already tried the house thing and that is how we got Adjustable Rate Mortgages, etc., and the housing bubble burst!!!!