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| Re: Only have seen two stations... Live365.com, shoutcast.com, most important music.yahoo.com is not broadcasting or has a huge message. Shoutcast.com's homepage was the most impressive. music.yahoo.com, however, are hiding it until you try to stream one of their stations. Trying to stream won't work, you'll get a message.
It's a lot more than two stations. People at work, normal everyday non-nerds who just stream music in the office are talking about this now. | |
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Albany, NY | Now that would be an effective protest. Declare a "Week of the Independent" and only play non-RIAA artists. A little research on Amie Street and eMusic and I'm sure they could easily get a week's worth of songs. | |
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| Re: Irony said by Time4aNAP :As a licensed terrestrial radio broadcaster, WFMU is exempt from the back-breaking royalty rates. It's nice to have their support, but ironic since they have nothing to lose. Good point. I followed one of their links and they had this to say:
WFMU believes in compensating artists. We currently pay webcasting royalties to SoundExchange and will continue to do so, but we are protesting the new rate scheme for a number of reasons:
1. Under the new rates, non-commercial webcasters only get a break on the commercial royalty rate if they maintain small listenership numbers. In order to afford the astronomical new rates, WFMU may have to cap online listenership on our streams, limiting our accessibility to music fans.
2. SoundExchange has not been dutifully distributing webcasting royalties to artists, claiming on their website that they are unable to locate thousands of artists including Kraftwerk, The Replacements, Pizzicato Five, The Muffs, and even Warren G!
The second point is noble, but the first one certainly hits their bottom line. I would think it would hit all college stations that webcast too. | |
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| Re: Irony said by disc :The second point is noble, but the first one certainly hits their bottom line. I would think it would hit all college stations that webcast too. Not really. The station's rate card is based on OTA listeners, not the Internet listenership. Some advertisers might pay a token fee for the extra exposure from webcasts, but nothing compared to what they pay for the Nielsen and/or Arbitron rated coverage.
Up until now, streaming has been an inexpensive way to promote your station. If and when it stops being inexpensive, terrestrial broadcasters will simply stop streaming. That means that you'll no longer be able to listen to your favorite hometown radio station when you're on vacation, but it's no real loss for the station itself. | |
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Just go to the website to see the list of who's participating... | |
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| Many but not all stations listed on the Shoutcast Directory are based in other countries and therefore might not be subject to the CRB ruling that is being protested by the Day of Silence. Also, there are a lot of "pirate stations" in the directory that don't pay any royalties and just don't care. | |
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| Re: No point in just a day of silence I'll take the increased listener numbers on my stations, thanks very much.
I love the webcasters that are doing this. They are sending listeners to my stations.
Thanks for your support and I vote that every Tuesday be Internet Silence Tuesday! | |
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| said by raptor1418 :I understand why they want to do the day of silence but a day of silence just hurts them in the end. They are not going to make any revenue for the day. If the RIAA prevails and they have to make huge, retroactive royalty payments next month, it will be The End for most of them. One day's revenue will not make any difference when they file the Chapter 7 paperwork.
OTOH if this peaceful protest does bring about change, they will not have to go broke. How does that hurt? | |
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| Re: Can't we just stop the nonsense It's not going to help any cause the RIAA don't care. So what if the internet loses a few radio stations, people will still listen to music someplace else. You still have regular radio and satellite radio to name a few.
The only way this will work if people stop buying and listening to music from RIAA companies for at least a week. | |
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| Re: Can't we just stop the nonsense said by viperpa33s :It's not going to help any cause the RIAA don't care. So what if the internet loses a few radio stations, people will still listen to music someplace else. You still have regular radio and satellite radio to name a few. The only way this will work if people stop buying and listening to music from RIAA companies for at least a week. The problem is the RIAA has a "old mindset" and what may have worked back in the 60's is just not going to work in todays age.. as you said more then one way to get music.
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| said by viperpa33s :It's not going to help any cause the RIAA don't care. The same can be said about any of history's most notorious bullies...Hitler...Tojo...Rumsfeld... Hardly a reason lie down and show your jugular.
So what if the internet loses a few radio stations, people will still listen to music someplace else. Music isn't a commodity item, like corn or pork bellies. Some of us have finer tastes than what Clear Channel is willing to provide. It's a very big deal for us!
You still have regular radio and satellite radio to name a few. Radio and radio is only one. And only one is not "a few". The fact that you can't find any more than one medium to use as an example says it all; it's Big Business' product of nothing if Internet radio dies.
The only way this will work if people stop buying and listening to music from RIAA companies for at least a week. Precisely what will that accomplish? The RIAA makes its profit the minute the CDs leave the factory for the wholesaler. It would take months to empty the channel. The RIAA can play the waiting game, because music buyers will continue/resume buying. | |
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| Re: dumb said by tbone2006 :This is about as dumb as the no gas on a certain day to teach the oil company a lesson. Sure there are some similarities between the oil companies and the RIAA on this. Both go to great lengths to cultivate their marketplaces and make sure they keep the customer hooked. But oil does a better job of understanding their value chain in cultivating the market. RIAA doesn't seem to have a clue on that mark.
At the end of the day, the RIAA will find they can't do business effectively without the right channels to market. If they can't get a clue from the national day of silence, I guess they'll have to find out the hard way - let those channels dry up and reap the consequences. | |
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| Re: What's the big deal, really? said by LordMalak :These webcasters should stop whining and do what online casinos did years ago: pack their bags and move overseas. Actually that's a no go for a number of reasons.
1) Even if you are netcasting from "off-shore" you are still responsible for paying the Royalties to the RIAA equivalent of any country you have listeners in. This is why stations like Pandora block their feeds to outside the US. They are having enough fun just dealing with the US Royalty structure, much less every country they feed into.
2) Even if you just put the servers outside of the US, if any of your operation is still in the US (announcers, Domain Registration owner, bank account, etc.) you are still within reach of the RIAA.
3). Off shore casinos have a lot more profit potential that most internet radio, hence I don't think too many companies or individuals would be willing to give up their life in the US and all connections and move lock stock and barrel to another country. | |
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| said by LordMalak :These webcasters should stop whining and do what online casinos did years ago: pack their bags and move overseas. Well...I suppose that when the day comes that the USA produces absolutely nothing, and is totally reliant on foreign powers for everything that it consumes, namely Communist China, that you'll have to make extreme lifestyle changes. After you've spent all of your money, and have thrown away any means to earn more, you're kind of in trouble, I reckon... | |
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Atlanta, GA | Re: Somebody should Ask the RIAA Thats an interesting question. How much DOES the RIAA pocket and how much goes to artists? Is there anywhere to find those numbers? (THAT would really be something for headlines here | |
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| Re: Somebody should Ask the RIAA This deals more with CD sales than with royalty payments from Internet radio, but I'm guessing that artists actually see less (if that's possible) from Internet radio royalties:
»www.arancidamoeba.com/mrr/proble···sic.html
In the fictional (yet realistic) example he provides, the band sells $1.6 million worth of records and makes just over $4,000 each. Meanwhile the record company takes in $710,000, just under 44% of the gross!
Of course, that $4,000 each is a bit misleading because when all is said and done, the band winds up *OWING* the recording industry money which they need to recoup on their next album. It's basically a legalized form of indentured servitude. | |
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| Re: Somebody should Ask the RIAA said by Jason Levine :This deals more with CD sales than with royalty payments from Internet radio, but I'm guessing that artists actually see less (if that's possible) from Internet radio royalties: » www.arancidamoeba.com/mrr/proble···sic.htmlIn the fictional (yet realistic) example he provides, the band sells $1.6 million worth of records and makes just over $4,000 each. Meanwhile the record company takes in $710,000, just under 44% of the gross! Of course, that $4,000 each is a bit misleading because when all is said and done, the band winds up *OWING* the recording industry money which they need to recoup on their next album. It's basically a legalized form of indentured servitude. This is the real point RIAA are legalized theives. I have several friends in the music business. All of them have gone to their own labels. They don't sell as much, but they get 100% of the profits.
Example. My friend had 1000 CD's made with a true mastering, including case and Jcard (the insert). They cost him $1.10 each, or $1100 total. He sold albums for $10 at the places he plays. Net profit, over $8000 from a mere 1000 copies. Much more than if he had gone national, and signed a contract for tens of thousands of an album.
The artists themselves are finding ways to circumvent the thieves. The only draw back is unless you are a local, you never hear their music.
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| Re: Somebody should Ask the RIAA And if your friend sold the same number of CDs under a RIAA label, he'd be lucky to make $100 (10 cents per CD). That's one of the things I like about Amie Street. Most of the revenue (70% after the first $5 IIRC) goes right back to the artist. Even the big names on the major labels don't get deals like that. (Posted as I listen to my Amie Street tunes.  ) | |
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| said by CableConvert :Thats an interesting question. How much DOES the RIAA pocket and how much goes to artists? Is there anywhere to find those numbers? (THAT would really be something for headlines here I suppose one reason why the music industry favors young artists who are barely old enough to sign a binding contract is because they have never learned how to handle their own finances. The girl group TLC made billions for the record industry, but made a grand total of $38,000 for themselves.
Probably most telling is the fact that bands today tour primarily to make money. That's why tickets (and everything else) are so expensive. During the golden age of rock and roll, tours were loss leaders to promote the records. The artists made their money from record sales. Now the record companies make 99% of recording revenue. | |
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| Re: Time to get real... said by FLengineer :Where do we go when we abandon net radio because of unending commercials? Nowhere. That's the point here. | |
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| Re: Royalty Distribution SoundExchange also collects fees for non-RIAA afliated artists in the event the artists/labels wants to collect later on. However, they don't actively pursue notifiying those artists/labels other than making a list available on thier site that says "Hey, we collected money for you, come get it." How is the artists/labels supposed to know without checking the site constantly or becoming memebers of the RIAA?
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Floods of listeners trying to simultaneously access the contact info for their D.C. representatives have overwhelmed a number of the SaveNetRadio.org servers as a result of today's "Day of Silence" event.
Switchboards in Congressional offices all over Capitol Hill are similarly tied up as they attempt to handle today's deluge of phone calls on the issue.Read more about this morning's outages and how webcasters should instruct listeners trying to access these sites, in this afternoon's edition of RAIN at » www.kurthanson.com. Today's issue will be updated continuously throughout the afternoon and evening. Sincerely, Daniel McSwain Assistant Editor RAIN: Radio and Internet Newsletter P.S. If you're a webcaster and you haven't yet notified us of your participation in the Day of Silence, please let us know. E-mail feedback@kurthanson.com and dayofsilence@savenetradio.org. Thanks. I'm posting this bit of news specifically because of the comments I read the other day from those on this board who said the Internet Radio Day of Silence was worthless and wouldn't accomplish anything.
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| Re: This Just In said by major marco :From RAIN: Switchboards in Congressional offices all over Capitol Hill are similarly tied up as they attempt to handle today's deluge of phone calls on the issue.
It couldn't be that the switchboards are clogged because of the Immigration bill being debated in the Senate today. Nah, that couldn't be it. So many more people are concerned over internet radio than they are over illegal immigration.
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| Re: This Just In said by TK Junk Mail :It couldn't be that the switchboards are clogged because of the Immigration bill being debated in the Senate today. Nah, that couldn't be it. So many more people are concerned over internet radio than they are over illegal immigration. Darn tootin'!
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