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| Re: SIGH said by mech1164  :And this surprises anyone? PLEEEASE! Nuff said. Kind of reminds me of the second gulf war, where the Minster was on TV talking about how all the American's were being slaughtered at the border, then an American tank comes rolling by in the background. 
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| Re: They're going to stop... said by Jason Levine :They plan on stopping. They can stop any time they want to. They just need one more lawsuit. Maybe two. Just three more lawsuits. Ok, four. But that's it. After five... six, they're seriously going to quit. That's it. Number seven will be their last... maybe number 8.... Are you refering to an addiction here? | |
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fireflier
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Limbo | You make it sound like they have an addiction. . .  | |
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join:2005-09-28
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
1 edit | Learn before it's too late As much as I despise people that steal( I don't give a shit if thieves don't see it as that ) and wouldn't feel a bit sorry for a theif losing his shirt, all these lawsuits do is breed more file sharers. And I certainly doesn't stop anyone except maybe the few that actually get sued.
The industry started to get it when it dropped DRM. Amazing how sales have greatly increase sicne they started doing that. Now if they understand that they need to lower thier prices and learn to accept less they might make even more money.
Personaly I don't think 99 cents for a new song isn't so bad. Adjusting for inflation I was paying $2.50-$3 for a 45 single 30 years ago. However if they expect to ever decrease file sharing they need to understand people just don't think that the music is worth that. And honestly the older songs should be much cheaper. Some song I listended to in high school 25 years ago shouldn't be $1. Perhaps 59 cents for new songs, 29 cents for older songs, $5 for a new album $3 for an old one. At those prices there's ZERO excuse for stealing, copying or whatever you call it. | |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
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3 edits | Re: Learn before it's too late Yeah, stealing! 
Do you remember Dual Deck cassette boomboxes with High Speed Dubbing?
Software on a machine that "saves" or "imports" from the CD automatically?
That's called copying!
It's not stealing.
Original was not displaced from it's owner.
*They* still have possession of it.
Downloading is just a different source and the original never moves!
$0.99, for a copy of an MP3? Fuck that!
For $0.99, it had better be CDDA! I will trans-code it to FLAC or MP3 as I see fit at the bitrate *I* choose - if I choose to.
That 45 you bought years ago - it was a physical pressing of vinyl.
There was production costs involved.
There was transportation involved.
Today, there is a single file that gets - copied.
No individual production cost for each copy.
No transportation costs either.
You still think $0.99 is ok?
Do you also consider recording off the radio stealing?
Music can be gotten for free - just like we did when we were kids!
Way easier and significantly better quality.
»applian.com/replay-music/reviews.php
Isn't digital cool?
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Got Helix?
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clubs: | Re: Learn before it's too late Awesome post and very valid point, dadkins! | |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
1 edit | said by dadkins :Yeah, stealing! Do you remember Dual Deck cassette boomboxes with High Speed Dubbing? Software on a machine that "saves" or "imports" from the CD automatically? That's called copying! It's not stealing. Original was not displaced from it's owner. *They* still have possession of it. Downloading is just a different source and the original never moves! bullshit. first of all dubbing a tape never produced an EXACT copy. Allowing your buddy to dub your tape was ALWAYS illegal.
Sorry you can not equate letting a few of your friends dub your tape as the same thing as letting thousands or even million of people copy your music collection.
please explain your excuse as to why you can't PAY for music? | |
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dadkins
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| Re: Learn before it's too late said by BF69 :bullshit. first of all dubbing a tape never produced an EXACT copy. Allowing your buddy to dub your tape was ALWAYS illegal. Sorry you can not equate letting a few of your friend bud your tape as the same thing as letting thousands or even million of people copy your music collection. please explain your excuse as to why you can't PAY for music? Sony, the maker of music on various media, was the manufacturer of my dubbing boombox - explain that!
The machine also had connections for CD input - what do you suppose that was intended for?
With two recording decks, connecting a CD was slightly obvious what was going to happen.
It's not that I can't pay for music, it's that the pricing is wack!
You first say that $0.99 is ok, then backpedal and say $5.00 for a CD is more like it - pick one and run with it, please!
I get music for free. 
What little music I want is obtainable without cash being involved and it's legal!
Today, we have Windows Media Player.
Take a wild guess what it is designed to do...
Rip CDs!
ONOES!!!1
Guess what else it is designed to do...
Burn CDs!
ONOES2!!!1
iTunes will do all of the above too! Call a cop!
Heres a kicker, my machines are made by - Sony!
I have Sony software that will rip Sony CDs!
The same Sony machine will then burn CDs - to Sony blanks! 
I think it's funny that you still think it's illegal!
Welcome to the 21st Century!
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3 edits | Re: Learn before it's too late Copying content that you own from one tape to another is fair use (no matter that the RIAA thinks). Copying it for your buddy would be copyright infringement. That is why Sony had no problem making a dubbing boombox.
Meanwhile the RIAA wants to usurp users Fair Use rights by calling everything copyright infringement. F the RIAA racketeers. Their leadership should go to jail for their bribery (paying off politicians to pass laws in their favor), extortion (threatening people with costly lawsuits if they don't pay up whether there is proof or not) and blackmail (see extortion). | |
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dadkins
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| Re: Learn before it's too late said by Bit :Copying content that you own from one tape to another is fair use (no matter that the RIAA thinks). Copying it for your buddy would be copyright infringement. That is why Sony had no problem making a dubbing boombox. Meanwhile the RIAA wants to usurp users Fair Use rights by calling everything copyright infringement. F the RIAA racketeers. Their leadership should go to jail for their bribery (paying off politicians to pass laws in their favor), extortion (threatening people with costly lawsuits if they don't pay up whether there is proof or not) and blackmail (see extortion). Right!
But the Dual Deck boxes were marketed as a way to borrow/copy cassettes.
Check this:
»www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp···84657494
"CD functions include track programming, shuffle, repeat, high-speed dubbing and CD synchro record"
Uhm... Got Copy?
Sure it's just a tape, but what purpose is there to dub a CD to a tape besides borrow/make copy?
Bad! Bad Sony!
Wait... Sony box, Sony CD, Sony Cassette...
Almost like me and Sony laptop, Sony software, Sony CD, Sony Blank...
It's so obvious what is going to happen, yet some people are blind to it.
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1 edit | said by dadkins :$0.99, for a copy of an MP3? Fuck that! For $0.99, it had better be CDDA! I will trans-code it to FLAC or MP3 as I see fit at the bitrate *I* choose - if I choose to. I said they'll have to lower it to at least 59 cents adn 29 cents for older song. how cheap can you be if you think that's too much?
Do you also consider recording off the radio stealing?
Music can be gotten for free - just like we did when we were kids!
Way easier and significantly better quality. First of all when I recorded off the radio the quality sucked. It didn't compare to the actual cassette and certainly not a CD
Secondly the DJ typically talked over the first part and/or the last part of the song. Or he cut the song off early.
Thirdly radio stations often played shorter versions of many songs. So you weren't getting the same one that was on teh cassette or CD.
Fourthly cassettes had what they call a "piracy tax" added to them that got paid to the RIAA to compensate for all that dubbing. You want piracy taxes added on to your internet bill? How about a piracy tax added to HDDs or memory cards, MP3 players etc etc? I don't.
Which brigns me to my next point, cassettes cost money. It cost NOTHING for you to download a song to your computer. if I want to dub a whole album I needed to use a whole cassette which would set me back a couple of bucks. | |
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jadebangle
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| Re: Learn before it's too late said by dadkins :You don't seem to understand, an MP3 is not the same as a track off a CD, yet they are charging you the same price as a CDDA file that would be on a CD. $0.99 x 14 = a CD bought in the store. But you are missing 1/2 or more of the information that was originally in the CDDA track. Ripping you blind! I'm not cheap, but I'm not stupid either. Pay full price for less than 1/2 the data? I don't think so! You go right ahead pal! LOL! Then you had crap for radio stations! Here, in the SF Bay Area, we had stations that would play the entire CD without interruption. They would even allow 5 seconds of dead air at the beginning(damn leader tape, you know...). Piracy tax? Like Audio CD blanks? Remember those? I do!  What if... you buy your MP3s and want to play them in your car? No iPod? No card reader? Guess what you have to do to play them in your car... Got Burner? said by BF69 : It cost NOTHING for you to download a song to your computer. Good Point! It costs nothing... exactly! Yet you are ok with the cartel ripping you off? Wanna buy a bridge? Except our time but time is money to the greedy corporate crook  | |
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You Can't Fix Dumb..
join:2003-07-30
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| said by BF69 :Which brigns me to my next point, cassettes cost money. It cost NOTHING for you to download a song to your computer. if I want to dub a whole album I needed to use a whole cassette which would set me back a couple of bucks. So your hard disk and blank media don't cost anything? The technological age has brought many improvements which make the process easier, and less costly than it was "back then". If it is easier for me, and less costly for me, then it is also easier and less costly to them. So, why am I paying more to them compared to "back then"??
Which brings me to my point... These corporations are concerned with making a buck any way they can to increase quarterly profits. They have hit what I like to refer to as "the price that the market will bear".
Deal with it.
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| said by BF69 :said by dadkins :$0.99, for a copy of an MP3? Fuck that! For $0.99, it had better be CDDA! I will trans-code it to FLAC or MP3 as I see fit at the bitrate *I* choose - if I choose to. I said they'll have to lower it to at least 59 cents adn 29 cents for older song. how cheap can you be if you think that's too much? Do you also consider recording off the radio stealing?
Music can be gotten for free - just like we did when we were kids!
Way easier and significantly better quality. First of all when I recorded off the radio the quality sucked. It didn't compare to the actual cassette and certainly not a CD Secondly the DJ typically talked over the first part and/or the last part of the song. Or he cut the song off early. Thirdly radio stations often played shorter versions of many songs. So you weren't getting the same one that was on teh cassette or CD. Fourthly cassettes had what they call a "piracy tax" added to them that got paid to the RIAA to compensate for all that dubbing. You want piracy taxes added on to your internet bill? How about a piracy tax added to HDDs or memory cards, MP3 players etc etc? I don't. Which brigns me to my next point, cassettes cost money. It cost NOTHING for you to download a song to your computer. if I want to dub a whole album I needed to use a whole cassette which would set me back a couple of bucks. they are ready do it for dvd and cd's and mp3 players | |
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| All good points.
As usual, the MAFIAAtards do not seem to be able to grasp the difference between copying and stealing. Or they've drunk so deeply of the cartel corporate koolaid that they are incapable of telling the difference.
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Mullica Hill, NJ | well once you buy something you always have a right to make a personal copy, once that credit card clears that DVD/CD/Digital Download is now your property.
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dougau
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Dickson, TN | I don't like the way the RIAA does business but... Am I the only person around here that believes you shouldn't steal just because you can? | |
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dadkins
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
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| Re: I don't like the way the RIAA does business but... said by dougau :Am I the only person around here that believes you shouldn't steal just because you can? I agree wholeheartedly!
Thing is though, copying files isn't stealing no matter how people wish to twist it.
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zipjay
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Louisville, KY | . "I'm altering the deal.. prey that i dont alter it any further.." | |
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Fruitport, MI | Still? They still, just don't get it!! | |
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brut7
join:2000-10-06
Babylon, NY
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| eh, they suck. They suck balls and hurt people.
They know they do.
They should just give it up and change careers into a positive business that helps not hates.
Nastiness NEVER gets the desired outcome.
What you get is people who come back at you fighting. Some of them have resources.
Their not going to accomplish anything, eliminate all piracy and sales will remain where they are or even drop.
No such thing as bad advertising for a product and so someone who hears a pirated copy of a song may like it and buy it.
Take Microsoft for example, very unoficially they are actually in favor of some piracy.
The IT geeks who pirate get to try the software, become familiar with it and recomend it!
Hell, I'm typing from windows 7 64 bit but I am officially in the beta.
MS leaves open doors for their supporters on purpose.
That's one reason I like them, that and the people who work for them are cool too. In the um.. underground chanels, they always help and are quite brilliant.
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1 edit | Stealing... no, illegal yes! Hmm, there are some serious holes in the arguments being made here.
1st off, yes, copying a file is not stealing by legal definition. However, it is copyright infringement. If you have not paid for the original file then you have broken the agreement of the copyright. If you purchase the cd, you do not have an original, you have a copy... but since you have paid the proper people, you are allowed this copy. If you download another "copy" of that file then you have not paid the proper people and therefore do not have the rights to it.
2nd Just because a tape deck, cd player or computer have the ability to copy something or perform any illegal activity does not mean that it's legal to do so because that's how it was sold to you. Example: A gun can be purchased legally, knowing full well what you can do with a gun, and having paid for the gun and it's ammunition legally does not mean that you can do whatever you want with that gun. There are certain rules that you must find out about and apply to the actions you take with that loaded gun or computer. Having the tools to do something, and having aquired those tools legally does not mean that there aren't rules that apply to it's use.
It's very important to understand that difference, stealing.. no, you have not removed it from the possesion of it's initial owner and therefore it's not stealing, nobody is missing it. However, illegal? Yes! You are not entitled to it's use because you have not gone through the proper channels to attain it.
When you think about it, the issue is a lot like piggy-backing onto your neighbors wireless internet signal (which I'm sure nobody here does.....). You're not "stealing" but you are not entitiled to it.
That whole long story being said... I still download music! lol I do agree that I'm going to pay for a downloaded file that it should not be an MP3 file, that's about a 10-1 compressed file. If I'm going to pay a premium price I should get the premium product. If you ask me MP3's should be free, but I would pay a per song rate for the actual .wav file from a cd. I personally will not pay for such a low quality file... turn an MP3 file up nice and loud and you'll notice the difference quite easily!
That's enough writing.....
Oh and I thought I'd mention Microsoft as the previous poster did as well, they have a good idea and they are very smart with the way they are running things. They almost let you try stuff before you buy it. I heard a guy from Microsoft once say "I'd rather people be pirating Microsoft products than be using Mac products". Maybe the music industry would be smart to let people use MP3 files and pay for the better quality and richer sound of the CD file? Just a thought. I know that a lot of people are content with MP3 files, but they have to start competing in some way, shape or form. I would like to see a survey of how many people went out and bought a cd based on hearing the MP3 file from somewhere, I'm guessing it's higher than most people think. I know I've bought some cd's that way.
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