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Can you do Blu?
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
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| Downloading?Downloading is not illegal, the uploading/sharing is a no-no.
No wonder they keep choking and puking - they cant even keep it straight themselves! 
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otty
join:2008-10-24
Toronto, ON | Re: Downloading? True but much of music sharing is not done by torrent. That's for bigger files (movies and tv). | |
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pfak
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Canada | Re: Downloading? Uh huh. OiNK, the largest private music file sharing site wasn't BiTorrent? | |
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r81984
Fair and Balanced
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join:2001-11-14
Katy, TX
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·Cox HSI
| Re: Downloading? Music files are so small there is no point to a torrent site for music.
I never downloaded music with a torrents site. Actually the best thing to use to download music is google.
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join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
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| I have never used OiNK. I have download, maybe, four complete albums using BitTorrent. At least as much with a standard web browser. Most of my downloading, nearly 1 TB in the last four years, has been animated TV shows.
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA | I don't use BT.
DDL is much better!
And no, when downloading I never upload.
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ | Re: Downloading? Then (here's the other side of the coin):
You're a leech! Leechers are killing p2p! | |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| Re: Downloading? said by Eat Me  :Then (here's the other side of the coin): You're a leech! Leechers are killing p2p! Here's something for you - DDL!
I don't do P2P!
I download from servers! 
Rookie! 
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battleop
join:2005-09-28
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| Re: Downloading? I still don't understand the love of bittorrent. It's slow and a resource (connection wise) hog. I have tried BT from time to time and have never been happy with it compared to NNTP. I tired to download a NIN album a few days ago using BT and after an hour I decided to hell with it and grabbed it in under 5 minutes via giganews. | |
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58ef2c0
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join:2000-05-11 | Re: Downloading? Yeah, that's always been a problem. NNTP seems to be getting easier to use while bittorrent just gets more annoying. | |
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r81984
Fair and Balanced
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join:2001-11-14
Katy, TX | Bit torrent slow?
You are obviously a Newb.
Especially since you pay for newsgroup access.
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knightmb
Everybody Lies
join:2003-12-01
Franklin, TN
·AT&T DSL Service
| said by battleop :I still don't understand the love of bittorrent. It's slow and a resource (connection wise) hog. I have tried BT from time to time and have never been happy with it compared to NNTP. I tired to download a NIN album a few days ago using BT and after an hour I decided to hell with it and grabbed it in under 5 minutes via giganews. BT is a tit for tat system, so if you set your upload to nothing, you get almost nothing in return. On the flip side, if your computer/firewall/router/whatever can't handle a lot of connections or can't map any inbound ports, you'll have poor performance as well since no one can connect to you to exchange data and you can't connect to them. BT is the fastest way to get files large or small because paying for a web server that has 100 M/bs speed cost too much, but put together enough clients and you'll quickly get a large speed boost. I have yet to see any web server do more than 9 M/bs on downloads, but I can easily max BT to over 20 M/bs with about 300 simultaneous connections.
Most routers usually choke on that though, another limitation for BT is poor,cheap routers that can't handle a lot of connections at once, that may also be your bottleneck. Then finally, down to the ISP, if they doing something to BT, that could also explain slow performance. Use the encryption setting to get around that.
Basically BT works really well until you factor in all the groups and people that are working against it, LOL.
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battleop
join:2005-09-28
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| Re: Downloading? I am in control of the ISP part (I work for one) so it's more likely my firewalls that are causing the problem since I have never opened anything up for BT. I am content with the 60Mbps+ I get from giganews so I probably won't put much effort into opening anything up. | |
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join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA | Interesting. I don't use BT on music, for the most part. A couple of anime soundtrack albums were offered, though, and downloaded in minutes.
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join:2008-04-20
Laveen, AZ
·Qwest.net
·Cox HSI
| BT is all about your upload speed and how many seeders are active and how fast they are uploading.
for the most part anyway.
I can usually pull about 400 to 600 kbps while downloading Bleach and Naruto from [DB].
overall though I get maybe 200 to 700 kbps as an avarage, with outliers of course, those being 0kbps and the high being 1.5 mbps for a single download.
if you connection is good, above 5/2 mbps, you have your ports forwarded for tcp/upd, and you have your upload speed around 20 to 40kbps, then your downloads should fly.
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| Depends on your setup. Sometimes, some network configs are out of your control, but if you are some of the lucky many who have been able to configure their network properly, nothing beats BT. Last night I was downloading the latest episode of 24 only 2 hours after it aired at 600 KBs and uploading it at 1.2 MBs.
Granted, Ive never used BitTorrent for single MP3 files. Mainly because I dont know where to look, and also because other alternatives work pretty good (Google, Frostwire, etc). | |
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james
join:2001-02-26
antarctica
| One could argue that when you're downloading via torrent you're sharing as an unintentional byproduct of your actions, acting almost as a caching or proxy server would on a network. Furthermore you aren't uploading an entire functional file in most cases, so if a court actually looked at the exact data you transmitted, it may not be able to charge you with anything as what you transmitted is not usable or viewable (depends upon the format, mp3s would still work partially, but .rar files wouldn't for example).
You couldnt really make that same argument for seeders and definitely not for the original uploader though. | |
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join:2007-08-21
Evanston, IL
| This is something that hasn't been addressed by courts. It's something that easily will not hold legal muster, the "you're uploading if you're downloading" especially "parts of a file".
Mostly because its not a complete file that has been uploaded the. These laws and all that require actual uploading/evidence. Otherwise this is like "you have a piece of glass and I am accusing you of making a bong with it". | |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| Re: Downloading? If there was no source available for uploading, there could be no download.
One uploader can(theoretically) distribute to millions of people.
In actuality, 10-20 is the most any one uploader ever gets hit for an entire upload.
Millions sounds grander though. 
You will see descriptors used quite often.
Possibly, potentially... never actual numbers.
I have had things available before - rarely did I see anyone request them - and when I dod see it, it was *NEVER* millions!
5 - 10, once or twice - a million? LOL! No.
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canesfan2001
join:2003-02-04
Hialeah, FL
·Comcast
·AT&T Southeast
| Re: Downloading? Here's the thing, I understand that one uploader can be involved in more incidents of one copyrighted work being infringed, but that doesn't make it the crime.
To draw from the tired VCR analogy, just because you make the crime possible, doesn't make you the criminal.
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| Re: Downloading? Distribution - the part of copyright that irks the xxAAs.
They like to claim lost sales in the hundreds to millions.
They also like to charge $10,000 per song.
VCR got shot down. Recording isn't a crime.
Just as downloading isn't a crime.
Mass producing something is what they want to bitch about.
Me opening a folder to the world they consider mass distribution - regardless of the actual amount of people pulling the file... if any!
Downloading can happen from all kinds of sources, including private, protected, FTP, and even good ole RapidShare.
Downloading isn't the crime, making available is - so they say.
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footballdude
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join:2002-08-13
Imperial, MO
| said by canesfan2001 :I never really understood that, it seems to me like the opposite would be true. Making it available to others doesn't seem like a crime to me, its a crime when the copying occurs That's the way the music/movie people would like it, but fair use allows you to copy things for your own use. It's distributing to others that is a violation of the law. If this were not the case, you wouldn't be allowed to use a vcr or even a tape recorder with a radio built in. The **IAs don't control the music/movies, the control the distribution of music/movies. Otherwise any Schmoe could just make copies of music/movies and sell them in the mall without paying royalties.
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canesfan2001
join:2003-02-04
Hialeah, FL
·Comcast
·AT&T Southeast
| Re: Downloading? Forgive me for not making the what-I-thought-was-obvious exception for personal use copies.
I'm merely stating that when you copy something that doesn't belong to you and keep it, that would be a reasonable definition of a crime.
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| said by footballdude :said by canesfan2001 :I never really understood that, it seems to me like the opposite would be true. Making it available to others doesn't seem like a crime to me, its a crime when the copying occurs That's the way the music/movie people would like it, but fair use allows you to copy things for your own use. provided you PAID for the orginal source to begin with. If back in the day you dubed you cassette tape you paid for, that was prefectly legal. If you let your friend borrow your tape so he could dub it that always has been illegal for BOTH of you to do. | |
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footballdude
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join:2002-08-13
Imperial, MO
| Re: Downloading? said by BF69 :provided you PAID for the orginal source to begin with. Nope. You can legally tape things off the radio and television that you didn't pay a dime for. You just can't turn around and distribute those tapes to friends.
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join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
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| Copyright is about reserving control of distribution of 'intellectual property' to the owners of the property. If the owners reserved the right to be sole distributors, or licensed a distributor, and you are neither the owner of the property, or the licensed distributor, you are in violation of the law.
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nixie21
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Harrington Park, NJ | Is this true? I was never sure about this..Downloading is not a crime? | |
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cypherstream
Looking forward to the future of things.
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join:2004-12-02
Reading, PA
clubs: | What if you use Peer Guardian and keep it up to date. So you never upload evidence to the RIAA. | |
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Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| Re: Downloading? What if Media Sentry, and other MPAA/RIAA agents keep changing their IP addresses, so it becomes difficult to impossible to keep Peer Guardian current?
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cypherstream
Looking forward to the future of things.
Premium,MVM
join:2004-12-02
Reading, PA
clubs: | Re: Downloading? Well there's always that chance. Same chance of a condom breaking and getting a disease or a girl pregnant.
I see Peer Guardian akin to Safe Sex. While using it is highly recommended, there's nothing that's 100% foolproof. | |
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join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA | Re: Downloading? I suspect that Peer Guardian isn't half as effective as condoms. Maybe twice as effective as spam filters...
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Norman
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Pirate515
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join:2001-01-22
Brooklyn, NY
| said by NormanS :What if Media Sentry, and other MPAA/RIAA agents keep changing their IP addresses, so it becomes difficult to impossible to keep Peer Guardian current? I think that by now these companies have pretty much learned that doing their work using their corporate IP blocks is pretty much useless as these can be quickly identified and/or blocked. I think that these days most of their contractors work out of their own homes using their residential Cable/DSL/FiOS accounts, and not only are these far more difficult to track, the IP's change courtesy of the ISP's.
For all intensive purposes, one of their contractors could be right next door to you, and you won't even know it.
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My other vehicle is a TARDIS
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Dallas, TX
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| said by cypherstream :What if you use Peer Guardian and keep it up to date. So you never upload evidence to the RIAA. Peerguardian isn't all that effective when it comes to torrents. Sure it or IP filters may stop companies like MediaSentry or MediaDefender from connecting directly to you while you are downloading/uploading, but they could easily get your IP address or the fact you're downloading the file they're after from other peers or even the tracker itself.
If it's something that is really popular and recent, you're better off getting it from Usenet or direct download where you do not have to upload.
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Pirate515
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join:2001-01-22
Brooklyn, NY
| said by dadkins :Downloading is not illegal, the uploading/sharing is a no-no. Downloading is actually illegal as well; however, catching those who download only is difficult and/or impractical. Uploaders, on the other hand, are a lot easier to track down and catch, and once caught, they can be charged with unauthorized distribution, which is a far more serious offense than simply downloading. Then given the seriousness of the offense, most of these uploaders are very easily scared into settling.
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
·Qwest.net
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robl27
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Mary Esther, FL | why? they are the thieves, the people need to wake up. stop buying their products, the RIAA is no longer needed.
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Richmond, VA | Why? Why, with to-day's technology, do artists sign on with a record label?
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mod_wastrel
join:2008-03-28 | Well, duh... If they don't understand "fair" use, then one really shouldn't expect them to understand "fair"-ness either... it just wouldn't be "fair" to expect that. | |
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Logan 5
Lastday
Premium,MVM
join:2001-05-25
The WasteLAN
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| I corrected the quote from the original article.... It had some 'errors'....
said by some RIAA Stooge :
"How fair would it be to the thousands of individuals who took responsibility for their actions we coerced under direct threat of prison time and settled their case while others are let off the hook? We're still in the business of deterrence extortion and it must be credible."
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The Gnome
join:2008-01-27
USA
| One-Click Hosting I don't download music from torrents, that's a pain in the butt.
one-click hosting such as Rapidshare, Megaupload, Mediafire, etc. are the way to go.
If those guys want to stop music piracy, well lower cds prices.
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mdaddyrabbit
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join:2004-02-05
Clinton, NC
·Embarq Now Century..
| Who Cares? Who cares what is shared....? This is the same argument that was staged when the VCR came out and what did it accomplish. The record industry as well as the movie industry should find ways to reinvent themselves. Its a known fact that for a business to be successful it must diversity or it will die. There are other ways to capitalize on music and entertainment. I could not give a rat's a$$ what anyone does. I personally have always thought the tapes, CD's and DVD movies were over priced. Everyone can't afford these items of entertainment. Dadkins comments as well as some others here are dead on. The RIAA will never succeed with this endeavor. They waited to late to start and have too many battles to fight to win the war. Take for instance when DVD-X-Copy got sued and finally gave in; what if anything did this accomplish, there are more programs out there now that copy DVD's than ever before. The point is music came out before DVD and is was copied then with dual tape cassette decks, DVD's came out and were copied by computer. Bit torrent, P2P, and any other ways to pull files down will always exist. Some retarded bunch of good-doers won't stop it or actually slow it down. | |
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join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA | Re: Who Cares? Most other businesses understand "adapt or die"... | |
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karsan2007
join:2007-01-28
Glendale, CA | RIAA I am not using a bt I am using a legal music service like real Rahpspody it wrong with using a legal music service to listen to music I pay 15.00 a month for it. | |
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mdaddyrabbit
Premium
join:2004-02-05
Clinton, NC
·Embarq Now Century..
| Redirection It's amazing how things work in our lives today. The RIAA is actively hunting down people that download and upload music. At this point, what will it accomplish, can they totally wipe it out? I don't think so! The act of pulling down music is here to stay. If the RIAA wants to help society why don't they go after the dead beats that use the system to manipulate government help. The free stuff that goes out to people that are as able to work as me but collect government assistance while sitting on their butts all day downloading some of this music. More and more of these dead beats jump on the bandwagon everyday to collect free income. The RIAA is a group of people that need to find a different way of generating income. | |
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@arcor-ip.net
|  you non lawyers are all wrong!
Google "Net-Act". The No Electronic Theft Act which makes DOWNLOADING for personal use also illegal.
That's why Harvard Charlie is battleing at the moment for Tenenbaum where he claims that it is unconstitutional that the enforcement of a criminal statute is putin the hand of a private entity the RIAA.
On the other hand only "making available" is NOT a crime in the US of A. Your copyrightlaw does not know an exclusive making available right at the moment. Some european countries have such exclusive right enumerated into their -recently by EVIL4 bought- copyright laws. But the US of A has not. See for yourself!
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cork1958
Cork
join:2000-02-26
Fruitport, MI
·Verizon Online DSL
·Charter Pipeline
| BT is stupid I pretty much do as Dadkins does also. Strictly download from servers and NEVER upload stuff and I am NOT a leech as NONE of my downloading is done from ANY individual.
Have tried BT a few times. I consider that the NOOB way of getting stuff. Rookies!!
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Gongo1
join:2002-02-09
Calgary, AB
| Apples and Oranges A high resolution photograph is equal to that same photograph printed on newspaper in a newspaper? At what pixel resolution does this comparison become a ridiculous joke?!? The same can be argued for music. Are they going to say that recording monophonic music on cassette tapes from AM radio broadcasts while building a collection is the same thing as stealing brand new unopened compact discs off the shelf in a retail store? Forgive me while I cough and choke on that.
A trend recently has seen some people returning to vinyl in favor of good old higher quality sound. Would they be doing this if they hadn't been bombarded with all of this low resolution music coming from I-Tunes and satellite radio??? Bit rates below 128 are absolutely insulting to me as well as completely embarrassing considering our advanced technology these days. Straight off of the CD, at a bit rate of over 1500, almost nobody complains its 'jagged'. Even at a 320 bit rate, seldom would likely complain... but how low can you go? Bandwidth costs money, so they've set the bar as low as they figure that they can get away with and you're supposed to like it. I say it's not nearly good enough but that is indeed my opinion. I suppose if people were downloading 32 bit rate music files that they'd still want to sue their asses off and haul them all off to jail (for Frank's sake).
Why can't they simply celebrate all of this mass free promotion that they get from all of these low resolution promos floating around. People may even find the music grows on them and seek out the album in its full and finest form, not to mention all of the free promotion they supply when they rant and rave and suggest to all of their friends that they go out and buy it as well. Oh and as far as paying a dollar for a cheap crummy I-tune, I'm not that rich or even half that foolish. | |
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