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RIAA: Failed 'Sue 'Em All' Campaign A Success
Because it got people talking about how ridiculous the RIAA is...

The RIAA recently decided to scrap a plan that involved suing P2P users (and potential customers), in the hopes that the surrounding fear would stop piracy. Of course that didn't work, so the current plan appears to be to make deals with ISPs, who'll then threaten copyright infringers with account disconnection (which as we've noted is sometimes a bluff). Talking with Vice Magazine, RIAA boss Cary Sherman claims that their lawsuit campaign was successful, because it got people talking about things over dinner:

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The time had come to shift over to a strategy that would be more effective. The lawsuits were obviously controversial in the media, but the reality was that most people had no idea that what they were doing was illegal at the time of those lawsuits. We did all sorts of surveys. We tried PR firms. We did everything to look at how to begin to change the culture of using illegal P2P. We realized that 1) none of the messages resonated, and 2) most people had no idea that what they were doing was illegal, let alone thought it was wrong. That completely flipped overnight when we started the lawsuits. It made an enormous impression and we were constantly generating dinner conversations about what you may or may not do with your computer.
Of course the "enormous impression" made was that the recording industry was greedy, myopic and out of touch -- and instead of evolving their business models and offering inexpensive, DRM-free piracy alternatives, decided to make life miserable for potential customers. Of course the RIAA's next "successful" campaign will be to buy U.S. laws forcing ISPs to boot users for copyright infringement, which will "successfully" push all P2P toward other, more private distribution methods -- while doing nothing to stop piracy.

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Transmaster
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Would you wanted to be....

Talked about over dinner like the RIAA has been? Crooks, gangsters, A-holes, S-heads, FU, KMA, this finger is for you, etc. And have driven their customers away. So I quess it did work.

spewak
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Re: Would you wanted to be....

I talked about the RIAA at the dinner table, let's see....ZERO TIMES! Real suck-sess there RIAA douches!

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Re: Would you wanted to be....

Truth be told I don't hardly even think of the RIAA either. However everytime I purchase a album from iTunes from a artist that is marketing their recordings directly through iTunes knowing they are getting 70% of the money I am forking over. I get this warm feeling inside knowing iTunes has the members of the RIAA by the 'nads.

Where have all the artists gone
long time passing
Where have all the Artists gone
long time ago
where have all the artists gone
gone to iTunes everyone
When will the RIAA learn
When will the RIAA learn

Sorry

P.S. before I get my morning coffee the spelling and grammer brain cell does not bootup.

runnoft
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Re: Would you wanted to be....

OK, buddy for that copyright violation on the lyrics, you now owe them...

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Re: Would you wanted to be....

said by runnoft:

OK, buddy for that copyright violation on the lyrics, you now owe them...
You know I had thought about that, oh my God the law suits did work
gorehound
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i am always up for talking about how much of assholes the RIAA is and how corrupt the big labels are in ripping off honest musicians.

sure i am always up to disrespect that whole BS corporate music industry.
axiomatic
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Agreed...

I am in agreement with the other posters. When I discussed this over dinner I let my dinner party know that I haven't bought anything from the RIAA since the Napster incident as I refuse to support the product of a group that treats its own so poorly.

Good luck with that "bottom line" Cary Sherman. You're going to need it.
Mr Matt
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Same old bologna!

Same old B.S. Ever since the mid 70's the music industry uses a scapegoat whenever there is a drop in the sale of prerecorded music. The first scapegoat was home taping which the copyright holders fought. Now the scapegoat is sharing music over the internet. What will the next scapegoat be?

I believe the music industry wants to establish a fixed fee paid to them by all users of broadband access just in case the user happens to use their broadband connection to share music. They got away with a scheme like that by inducing lawmakers to pass a law forcing manufactures of High Fidelity Cassettes to pay copyright control agencies a fee for each cassette sold whether or not it was used to record prerecorded music.

Copyright owners then induced lawmakers to force manufactures of CD ROMs to create a new class of CD ROM that were the only type of CD ROM that could be used in consumer CD Recorders. The manufactures of these CD ROMs were forced to pay copyright owners a fee for each CD ROM sold whether or not the CD ROM was used to recorded copyrighted material.

Next comes the copyright owners inducing lawmakers to require an FM receiver chip be embedded in all consumer devices with a speaker or headset jack. Eventually the wireless providers will be forced to pay a fee to the copyright owners for each device that contains an FM Receiver chip. The next below line fee on your wireless bill will be the $10.00 per month fee collected by wireless providers just in case the cell phone user listens to the FM Radio embedded in their handset.

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Re: Same old bologna!

said by Mr Matt:

I believe the music industry wants to establish a fixed fee paid to them by all users of broadband access just in case the user happens to use their broadband connection to share music. They got away with a scheme like that by inducing lawmakers to pass a law forcing manufactures of High Fidelity Cassettes to pay copyright control agencies a fee for each cassette sold whether or not it was used to record prerecorded music.
I always wondered why CrO2 and Metal cassettes cost that much back then. They're freakin' cheap now if you know where to look.
said by Mr Matt:

Copyright owners then induced lawmakers to force manufactures of CD ROMs to create a new class of CD ROM that were the only type of CD ROM that could be used in consumer CD Recorders. The manufactures of these CD ROMs were forced to pay copyright owners a fee for each CD ROM sold whether or not the CD ROM was used to recorded copyrighted material.
I bet they got pissed when people started to buy computers and not the consumer CD recorders. Why buy music CD-R's when the computer CD-R's use the same darn material?

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Using the long arm of the law to protect you from the market

Their business model is dead...

This is just another attempt to keep it from dying through legislation.

I don't know what else can be said that hasn't been said before.
qworster
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So let me get this straight....

I talk over dinner about how the RIAA and MPAA are a herd of assholes who will never get another penny of mine if I can possibly help it (and believe me they used to get hundreds/thousands from me a year) and Cary Sherman thinks this is a good thing?!

Great drugs you got there, Cary-can I have some?

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Re: So let me get this straight....

said by qworster:

I talk over dinner about how the RIAA and MPAA are a herd of assholes who will never get another penny of mine if I can possibly help it (and believe me they used to get hundreds/thousands from me a year) and Cary Sherman thinks this is a good thing?!

Great drugs you got there, Cary-can I have some?
I wonder if an FU A-hole RIAA pizza would sell? You know for those dinner table discussions.

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What's for dinner?

The LAST I would be thinking or talking about is them idiots. What's first and foremost in many people's minds are their jobs, homes, health and whether they can gain employment (for the unemployed).
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If the RIAA didn't take such a large cut....

Maybe CD's and music wouldn't be so expensive.

10-15 dollar cd's and the artists are lucky if they get a buck? WTF?

maartena
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Re: If the RIAA didn't take such a large cut....

said by zod5000:

Maybe CD's and music wouldn't be so expensive.

10-15 dollar cd's and the artists are lucky if they get a buck? WTF?
It's not even the price that bothers me, it is the ridiculous DRM they put on the music/movies in question. I have a car with built-in MP3 player (well, it plays MP3 CD's), so instead of having 20 CD's... I have about 6 or 7 CD's, each filled with about 6 Albums of different bands or 120+ compilation songs, whatever i come up with.

When I buy a CD, I want FULL ownership of the music, and I get to decide where it plays. So if I want to convert it to MP3 for my car, I should be able to do that. I also should be able to play it on my livingroom MPC without the CD in question installing some special player that is required to play that CD on a computer.

Same with movies: I want to be able to make a COPY of the DVD I bought for the car screens in the back.... because I don't want the original being baked in the car in the hot California sun. It's over a 105 outside today, and probably 140+ in the car which is sitting in my office parking lot all day. At least if I have a COPY, I can just re-burn it if it no longer plays after a heatwave.... instead of having to shell out another $25.

For me it is not the price.... although it does play a role.... that i don't want to buy music and movies.... it is the rediculous DRM they put on their merchandise so can't move it around the way i want to within my own household.

Last but not least: Piracy will never stop. It was only 15 years ago that I got my first CD-R drive, and back then you could buy so-called "warez CD's" at college and in the office.... you'd pay someone $10, and he would burn a compilation of games and software on a then-costing-$5 CD. Even if they succeed in curbing internet piracy, there is no way to stop DVD-trading on high schools, workplaces and elsewhere. People don't do that anymore because the internet makes it so easy..... but you can BET that will pick right up if the electronic piracy has been halted.

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Hyocritical rats should be stomped by court

said by Cary Sherman, RIAA president :

most people had no idea that what they were doing was illegal

Hello? The RIAA was just recently arguing in court that the copyright notice on commercial CDs was enough to rule out the "innocent infringer" defense when the downloaders didn't know that a particular site was not authorized to offer the music.

Saying whatever they can think of, regardless of truth or falsehood, to extract more money from the public (and from the artists) is normal in Sherman's line of work. But his statement ought to get the RIAA's argument thrown out of court.
Bladerunner37
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Look at the last sentence

"It made an enormous impression and we were constantly generating dinner conversations about what you may or may not do with your computer."

What I may do or NOT do with MY computer?? SO the RIAA is trying to tell me what I can do or not do with MY computer. Unless you BUY me the computer and PAY for my internet access, then you can tell me what I can or cant do with YOUR computer.

Hey, musicians around the world, got to iTunes, then I'll pay
RIAA how do you manage to exist I dont know
Mr Matt
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Re: Look at the last sentence

said by Bladerunner37:

What I may do or NOT do with MY computer?? SO the RIAA is trying to tell me what I can do or not do with MY computer. Unless you BUY me the computer and PAY for my internet access, then you can tell me what I can or cant do with YOUR computer.
Actually the RIAA already did when it came to consumer CD Recorders. Remember SCMS and prepaid Music CD ROMS.

n2jtx
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Boot Users?

We are very close to Congress deciding that everyone has a right to Internet access. Who will that fly in the face of getting booted because RIAA says so?
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Re: Boot Users?

once its a universal right, you have to have it, and cant get booted. Here's a question, who the hell is still paying the RIAA? I think we should all quit buying physical media to kill the RIAA thru market forces. They run an ancient business model, and hope they as a business can stifle innovation in 4 other markets. These markets are: Cell phone MFG, wireless access providers, Wireline broadband providers, and internet adoption and innovation.

The RIAA is behind the times, and the OLD FARTS at the top need to resign and let a youth evolve their business model, or let the business die off.

Like I said, we should all quit buying physical media and let lack of money kill the RIAA. the MPAA is next.

maartena
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Re: Boot Users?

said by Chubbysumo:

once its a universal right, you have to have it, and cant get booted.
Not quite true.... if you break the law, certain rights can still be revoked. For instance, the "right to bear arms" can be revoked from you as a penalty if you have committed a certain offense that involves firearms (which does not have to be murder or anything like that).

Another example is the right to vote, which in many, but not all states is revoked from anyone that is convicted to serve time in prison. During your incarceration, you will not be allowed to vote, even though it is guaranteed as a right.

Similar laws will remain in place for the internet. Just like hackers have been denied the luxury of internet access while out on parole, access to the internet can easily be revoked to anyone that breaks the law.

So don't be fooled that you would be "safe for life" when laws that guarantee internet as a right, because that is simply not the case.
Vetinari4
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RIAA is correct

For me, their 'throw lawsuits around and hoe something sticks' tactic led me to have lots of discussions around the dinnertable: How and where can I illegally download more RIAA protected stuff?

gball
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Well

I can't even remember the last time I bought a CD and always tell my friends who are going to buy one or who do all about the RIAA!!

So yeah its working out great for them
margaf
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Re: Well

exactly, once the industry started attacking its customers I stopped buying music. I havent bought a CD in 5-10 yrs.
dasschu
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I got 1 of those letters from my ISP

Talk about a joke. I got a letter from my ISP about downloading Warehouse 13- and they wanted me to delete all warehouse 13 from my computer. 1st off I was under the impression if it was broadcast it was fair game. 2nd I use my computer with windows media center so your telling me any episodes recorded with my computer is illegal and must be deleted? NO WAY! You better go after all the cable and satellite companies for providing DVR's which are recording copyrighted material!!!! Especially the ones with DVD recorders built in!

I think it's ridiculous that you can watch it on hulu.com and they are going to be idiots about WHERE you get it from. It's already being broadcast free over the internet by hulu.com!!!
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Re: I got 1 of those letters from my ISP

If you don't delete all of the episodes what are they going to do arrest you for doing nothing wrong?