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| Re: I'm lost said by Skeedatl :How does the RIAA know if the file is actually theirs unless they downloaded it and checked? If they download it, the crime occurs (unless the RIAA can't infringe on their own work). Someone mentioned a few months ago an example of an MP3 called something like In the air tonight. How would the RIAA know if that's the Phil Collins song or something else? I agree. The RIAA should be working less on trying to convince the courts that just making a file available is infringement. Its a slam dunk case if they just go after the people responsible.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how to do it either. Nothing is anonymous on the internet. Just connect to a torrent containing an album of music. Download the album to ensure its copyrighted material. Then just watch the peers list, record IP addresses, go after those people responsible.
That alone will keep the RIAA busy for quite some time. | |
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 |  |   Skeedatl Ah, push it - push it real good Premium join:2007-12-26 The Cloud | Re: I'm lost Did the court rule that a portion of an MP3 is infringing? Meaning, if a person is seeding only 3% of an infringing MP3, are they really distributing the song? Title 17 talks about distribution of songs, but no mention of portions of songs. | |
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| I think this whole copyright infringement is BS! Unless, they are making money of the songs or are making them aviable 24\7 who gives a s@#t. I'll admit I have used and distributed cracked software and so have many people in these forums. If I was not able to get it for free I would have just never have used it. So the BS about them losing money to me does not hold water either. Yes, I'm a pirate so kiss my white naked @ss! | |
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| said by Skeedatl :If they download it, the crime occurs (unless the RIAA can't infringe on their own work). You can't infringe on your own copyright. While the RIAA themselves may not own the copyright directly, the member company (Warner Brothers, Columbia, etc) would give the RIAA permission through membership. | |
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| Re: I'm lost Incorrect. The RIAA is authorized to posess the file, so they couldn't be charged with copyright infringement. However the source that they downloaded it from, presuming some type of illegal P2P transfer, was not authorized to distribute it.
This is why that the majority if not all of the RIAA and MPAA lawsuits against P2P users have been against people who were distributing the files. People who downloaded, but not uploaded (e.g. from Usenet, ftp, etc) haven't been gone after because the penalties for distributing is far more then just possession of infringing works. | |
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| Curious I'm curious whether the making available point was dropped due to the Judge Kozinski mess.
For those that don't know. Judge Kozinski is a 9th circuit Federal Judge that was presiding over a pornography case. It was found that he himself had a "private" collection of porn available at his website. He also had mp3's available that were linked from some mp3 search sites. (Google: Kozinski mp3)
So, is the RIAA dropping this line of prosecution because they do not wish to prosecute a Federal Judge? -- The Revolutionary War was fought over a 14% tax, what % are you paying now? | |
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said by kadar :I'm curious whether the making available point was dropped due to the Judge Kozinski mess. For those that don't know. Judge Kozinski is a 9th circuit Federal Judge that was presiding over a pornography case. It was found that he himself had a "private" collection of porn available at his website. He also had mp3's available that were linked from some mp3 search sites. (Google: Kozinski mp3) So, is the RIAA dropping this line of prosecution because they do not wish to prosecute a Federal Judge? I really doubt that is what is happening. There was a recent court decision calling in to question the "making available" argument. It was also posited by the judge that the RIAA downloading the file themselves MAY not constitute a violation because they weren't an "unauthorized" downloader. I think they are just looking for a better case to pursue and dropped the ones that call in to question their legal strategy. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page | |
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| Re: Curious Actually, it looks like they're just shopping around for a better judge to present the case before since they just refiled the same case against the same person in a different court ( »news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid···/1156218 ).
Even for the RIAA, this is low. They saw that the case wasn't going their way so they dropped it and tried to start all over again without telling the new judge about the previous case. Either the RIAA's lawyers are: A) incompetent enough to forget to notify a judge about a prior (and still ongoing) case against the same person with the same charges or B) malicious enough to try to get a "do over" when a case doesn't go their way. In either case, some censure or disbarment charges should be in order as this is a serious abuse of the court system. -- -Jason Levine Support a children's charity. Buy a calendar. Shooting For A Cause Jason's Toolbox | PCQandA.com | |
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| but i wonder what makes the RIAA an Authorized downloader then. because the artist and/or their label would have to give permission, otherwise the RIAA is no different then someone else downloading.
course im sure the contracts for RIAA membership probally cover this with legalese bullshit. "the RIAA shall have full and unlimited access to media from its member corporations" or something. -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports | |
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| Re: Curious said by Kearnstd :but i wonder what makes the RIAA an Authorized downloader then. because the artist and/or their label would have to give permission, otherwise the RIAA is no different then someone else downloading. course im sure the contracts for RIAA membership probally cover this with legalese bullshit. "the RIAA shall have full and unlimited access to media from its member corporations" or something. well it goes like this if the RIAA is authorized to sue and collect winnings of suits and settlements then they own the rights in to the music in some way if didnt have the rights then they wouldnt be legally able to file suit or collect settlements | |
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| said by Kearnstd :but i wonder what makes the RIAA an Authorized downloader then. The RIAA are acting as agents for the copyright holders, and they have been giving explicit permission by those holders (the record labels, probably) to undertake these activities. | |
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| Their reasoning is full of it Because I leave my car unlocked, have I committed a crime? Have I "made it available" for someone else to steal? What about my house? Is it the thief who is responsible for taking stuff, or my fault he was able to steal, because I didn't have an alarm? And because I walk down a street at night, do I make myself available for a rapist? Using the RIAA's reasoning, I do. It's not the rapists fault, I just put myself out there for him. How do you hold someone responsible for others' bad behavior?
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| Re: Their reasoning is full of it Bad example. In Dallas I know if you leave your keys in the car and it running to warm it up in the winter etc you can now get a ticket.
Course the RIAA lawyers are stupid. Did they ever look at Kazaa when it asked to scan your computer.
"Do you wish to scan your computer for files to share"
I remember it said that. | |
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| Re: Their reasoning is full of it said by NOCMan :Bad example. In Dallas I know if you leave your keys in the car and it running to warm it up in the winter etc you can now get a ticket. That situation is TOTALLY different. In Dallas it is illegal to idle your car, it is a civil infraction due to the PC concept of less greenhouse gasses. It is not to deter a "make available situation" for vehicle theft.
At least try and cite something that actually pertains to the case if you are going to post.
www.dallascityhall.com/committee_briefings/briefings0108/TEC_012808_IdlingPolicy.pdf | |
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| Covering up a sucker punch »news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid···/1156218
quote: "The RIAA threw in the towel, all right, but was only doing it in preparation for throwing a sucker punch. After dropping its 'making available' case, Warner v. Cassin, before Judge Robinson could decide whether to dismiss or not, it was only trying to do an 'end run' (if I may mix my sports metaphors) around the judge's deciding the motion and freezing discovery. The RIAA immediately, and secretly, filed a new case against the family, calling this one 'Warner v. Does 1-4.' In their papers the lawyers 'forgot' to mention that the new case was related. As a result, Does 1-4 was assigned to another judge, who knew nothing about the old case. The RIAA lawyers also may have forgotten that they couldn't bring any more cases over this same claim, since they'd already dismissed it twice before. Not to worry, NYCL wrote letters to both judges, reminding them of what the RIAA lawyers had forgotten."
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| Re: Covering up a sucker punch When it comes to abusing the legal system to gain an unfair advantage for their clients, the RIAA's lawyers are about as dirty as they come. As NYCL (aka Ray Beckerman, the NYC lawyer helping people fight the Recording Industry's Sue 'em All Campaign) once put it, "they either lack 1) integrity, 2) brain cells, or 3) both".
The RIAA's lawyers play dirty pool so much that it makes those of Big Tobacco or Scientology look good by comparison.
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| Re: Covering up a sucker punch said by jbob :I'll take a step further. What I and many others do is if a record label is with RIAA we will NEVER buy a music CD from them. PERIOD! I'm doing my part...hitting them in the wallet. That's the only thing they understand. Thats the thing so are other people but instead of doing what any other business would do and change there just blaming it on piracy and suing every one to make money | |
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| said by Doctor Four :When it comes to abusing the legal system to gain an unfair advantage for their clients, the RIAA's lawyers are about as dirty as they come. Fixed.  | |
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| The RIAA should have to pay for every New York Tax dollar that has been waisted by their trying to game the legal system. New Yorkers work hard and should have that waisted Tax money back to put into schools or roads. Something other than paying a judge and police, and the people that maintain the build for how ever long, and then go well its just the Tax Payers money lets start over and charge them again. | |
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| This is missing the more important second part of the story »recordingindustryvspeople.blogsp···sin.html
Article speaks for itself, the case Warner v. Cassin mentioned in this linked article is the same case this broadband reports article mentions and is linked with the hotlinked by "voluntarily dismissed." | |
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| They're not walking away, they're court shopping... RIAA filed a "Warner v. Does 1-4" in the same court, got a different judge, and wants discovery w/o notification again. The defendant's lawyer in this case noticed it, and fired off letters to both judges saying the cases are too similar, so please send this one back over to the judge holding "Warner v. Cassin" so he can retract the "dismissed" into "dismissed w/prejudice" and let Cassin claim money. | |
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