Project LightSpeedSBC: 18 million fiber users in three years ( old news - 11:22AM Thursday Oct 21 2004) tags: FiberAccording to SBC, some 18 million subscribers should see fiber fueled internet, television, and phone service in just three years. With the FCC eliminating fiber regulation, "Project Pronto" has a new name, and SBC - and the other bells - no longer have any excuse for failure. SBC yesterday announced ( press release) they've selected Alcatel to build the company's next generation fiber network. After the announcement, Alcatel stock jumped some 4.8 percent on the European market. Dubbed "Project Lightspeed", SBC says they'll deliver fiber broadband, video, and phone services to some 18 million households by the end of 2007 - at a cost of around $6 billion. "We're moving at light speed to bring IP-enhanced services to customers," says SBC chief Edward E. Whitacre Jr. Last fall Whitacre angered many hardware vendors when he stated he didn't see the incentive for fiber to the premises. Not only because of regulation, but because per-home installations were simply too steep. That was then, this is now. While the triennial review paved the way in keeping competitors from new fiber builds, the FCC last week went even further, declaring fiber to the node builds within 500 feet of customer premises didn't need to be shared. After the ruling, SBC proclaimed they'd cut the deployment schedule for project lightspeed from five years to three. The bells had been complaining for years that there was no incentive to build fiber networks with regulation in place. No incentive, despite the fact cable dominates North American broadband, and the bells need television services tied to DSL bundles to better compete. No incentive, despite the fact the local and long distance business is stagnant, and the bells are morphing into pure, bandwidth hungry data companies that need fiber to survive. Installation costs, the other bell obstacle, have dropped only slightly since last fall. Home installs for the Verizon fiber trials in Keller, Texas are estimated to cost between $1,200 and $1,500 per household. The entire project, which has many of our users' hearts a-flutter, cost some $15 million to complete, and required roughly 1.2 million feet of fiber. Not exactly a profit bonanza. Not likely to appear in rural America either. SBC's solution is to run fiber to the node, then find alternative solutions for last mile connectivity. While Verizon embraces FTTP, SBC is taking a different approach, exploring the potential in ADSL2+ and VDSL as less expensive last-mile options. As users in our SBC forum explore, SBC has been conducting ADSL2+ trials in Missouri. Still, it's one thing to repeatedly promise next-generation connectivity, but quite another to actually deliver it. We've explored a decade worth of Verizon fiber promises that were never delivered. We've discussed the billions in tax-funded incentives Verizon received in Pennsylvania to build fiber networks, only to be let off the hook. That hasn't stopped the media from applauding like children watching a clown make balloon animals each time a bell issues another press release. As for SBC, remember Project Pronto? Pronto was a multibillion-dollar broadband buildout, framed with eerily familiar optimism (see 1999 story), but ultimately scrapped due to "regulatory uncertainty". Project Lightspeed is Pronto, reborn. But while the FCC ruling is a big win for the bells, it's also dangerous, since regulation can no longer be blamed for deployment failures. If either Verizon or SBC fails to deploy fiber to the people, will they finally be held accountable after a decade worth of promises? Related:- Powell Completes FTTH Build
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  techguyga MCSE, DCSE Premium join:2003-12-31 Cumming, GA | HA!!! 1st!!! | |
|  |  |   techguyga MCSE, DCSE Premium join:2003-12-31 Cumming, GA | Seriously, though.... ....I'll believe it when I see it. | |
|  |  Cod
join:2000-07-05 Greensboro, NC
| Re: Seriously, though.... said by techguyga :....I'll believe it when I see it.
I sware you can't win around here. SBC customers get great & exciting news and its the same-o brain dead posts bashing the telco's (with BBR's encouragement). | |
|  |  |   rjackson Premium,Mod join:2002-04-02 Ringgold, GA clubs: | Re: Seriously, though.... I guess it's because all the promises made in the past about fiber and other exciting new technologies that makes people skeptical. Some places are actually walking the walk, though. | |
|  |  |   Minister
join:2002-01-02 Fleeting
| quote: I sware you can't win around here. SBC customers get great & exciting news and its the same-o brain dead posts bashing the telco's (with BBR's encouragement).
You applaud when the job is done. You don't get credit for making yet another promise.
I don't get cookies and milk at work when I say I'm going to do something. I get rewards when I do it quickly and it matches my promise. | |
|  |  |  |  lvas
join:2001-05-17 Glen Carbon, IL
| Re: Seriously, though.... First SBC did deploy project PRONTO in most states that had a cost/ROI that made Sense for them to do so, it was not scrapped where do you get off spreading misinformation on your site?. On what network do you think SBCs current 4 million DSL customers Are riding on? There are thousands of RTs deployed in SBC territory.
Second SBC is putting its money where its mouth is it awarded the 1.2 billion fiber contract this week to Alcatel. Do you understand what the words awarded contract mean?
Third all of your no incentive comments are typical *($$ from the folks that run this site. How many billions have YOU spent to bring broadband to the US? Thats right - ZERO. SBC has a duty to its stockholders and its 160,000 employees to wait until the climate is right for their investment period | |
|  |  |  |  |   Minister
join:2002-01-02 Fleeting
| Re: Seriously, though.... First: It's not my site, and Project Pronto was scrapped toward the end due to regulatory concerns. Learn to use Google. By the way, DSL is not fiber.
Second: You speak like an SBC employee. Signing a contract, and providing 18 million people with functional triple-play fiber/ADSL2+ is world's apart, captain telco.
Third: SBC, like all bells, so inflates phone bills with garbage fees and bogus "regulatory recovery" fees they should be taken behind the barn and beaten with a stick. The "Poor bell" song doesn't play here, sorry, captain telco. | |
|  |  |  soothsayer15
join:2002-03-01 Irving, TX
| said by Cod : said by techguyga :....I'll believe it when I see it.
I sware you can't win around here. SBC customers get great & exciting news and its the same-o brain dead posts bashing the telco's (with BBR's encouragement).
Cod is right. Everyone that has a bone to pick with the Telco's or Cable Co's comes on this site to spew their slanted logic. The Telco's aren't doing this because they like empty promises. FTTP is a must for their survival. You cynics can talk you want, you have no understanding of business. Businesses aren't in business to lose money just so you can be happy. People here complain too much because FTTP is not available yesterday. There is nothing these companies can do to appease you because you need a soapbox to complain from. | |
|  |  |  |  nasadude
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·Comcast
| Re: Seriously, though.... said by soothsayer15 : The Telco's aren't doing this because they like empty promises. FTTP is a must for their survival.
If that's true, why do they need deregulation to do it? Are you saying the bells would rather wither and die than not get their monopoly on fiber?
I have absolutely no sympathy for any of the ILECs. They should have been doing this a couple of years ago, before they were getting their lunch eaten by cable and VOIP. That's not the way would be monopolies play though. Instead of innovating and leading in technology, they spend their money on lobbying and FUD; how many fiber connections could have been laid with the ILEC lobbying budget? If the FCC hadn't given in the the bells lobbying, I guarantee you fiber would have been deployed, deregulation or not.
The ILECs only held out this long because they were sure they could buy (thru lobbying) the deregulation they sought. | |
|  |  |  |  |  lvas
join:2001-05-17 Glen Carbon, IL
| Re: Seriously, though.... why should they have done it years ago? because you say so? ha thats funny. Yes of course they waited until the legal climate was right for investment - something wrong with that? as for cable and VOIP eating their lunch - boy have you got your facts wrong. VOIP is used by less than 1% of phone users nation wide - yes thats right the other 99% is still their market. as to cable - DSL is gaining ground everyday on cable and when fiber lights up SBC will be offering VIOP. so to me it looks like SBC buisness plan is right on track  | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  nasadude
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| Re: Seriously, though.... said by lvas .. Yes of course they waited until the legal climate was right for investment - something wrong with that? as for cable and VOIP eating their lunch - boy have you got your facts wrong. VOIP is used by less than 1% of phone users nation wide - yes thats right the other 99% is still their market. as to cable - DSL is gaining ground everyday on cable and when fiber lights up SBC will be offering VIOP. so to me it looks like SBC buisness plan is right on track  [/BQUOTE:I'm being optimistic about VOIP "eating their lunch" - I can dream, can't I? And yes, if the business plan is to get their monopoly back, I would say SBC and Verizon are right on track. Don't get me wrong, the ILECs have every right to pursue their monopoly; that doesn't mean I have to like it. The real problem is the spineless, corrupt political process that allows this sh1t to happen. It would just be nice not to be a semi-third world country when it comes to broadband. | |
|  |  |  |  |  soothsayer15
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| said by nasadude : said by soothsayer15 : The Telco's aren't doing this because they like empty promises. FTTP is a must for their survival. If that's true, why do they need deregulation to do it? Are you saying the bells would rather wither and die than not get their monopoly on fiber? I have absolutely no sympathy for any of the ILECs. They should have been doing this a couple of years ago, before they were getting their lunch eaten by cable and VOIP. That's not the way would be monopolies play though. Instead of innovating and leading in technology, they spend their money on lobbying and FUD; how many fiber connections could have been laid with the ILEC lobbying budget? If the FCC hadn't given in the the bells lobbying, I guarantee you fiber would have been deployed, deregulation or not. The ILECs only held out this long because they were sure they could buy (thru lobbying) the deregulation they sought.
This is exactly what I am talking about, business sense. Would you spent billions of dollars deploying a network, if there was a chance you would have to share it with your competitors? Why not just paid for their advertising while they are at it. The Bells are paying it's own employees and contractors to deploy this network. I don't envision their competitors sharing the costs. This also shows what you know, lobbying does not cost BILLIONS of dollars. It is expensive, but nowhere near the cost of building a fiber network. Do you think The Bells or the Cable Companies competitors don't lobby? | |
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1 edit | That's the whole point of the fiber. If they wanted to use bandwidth alone, they could try to expand and strenghten their copper services. The point is for video, telephone, internet, and whatever else they can think of to be delivered into your home on the same wire from the same carrier. Therefore they can start getting $200+ a month from every house in America. You know this has the corporate leaders in the ILECs just giddy. They might even get to stamp out all that pesky competition(as if they REALLY have alot of competition). -- like it or not, we are under GOD. | |
|  |  |   batageek Slave To The Duopoly Premium join:2003-01-25 | at least with that type of investment, they're good for a bunch of years (20 at least) on the fiber itself. Maybe it's worth the 30 months....... -- »www.tricitybroadband.com | |
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| Bussineses are happy to get 15% profit on investment, which is 180 dollars per year or 15 per month. So if all other expenses are going to be less than 25 bucks per month, they should be happy as hell. But, since they are a monopoly or a part of duopoly (cable and phone duopoly), they will probably will not be satisfied with anything less than mafia type return. | |
|  |  |   aztecnology O Rly? Premium join:2003-02-12 Murrieta, CA
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| said by wifi4milez :I am all for this fiber build but I have to question the economics of it. $1200 per person, $40 per month.....hmmm lets see now.....that means it will take 30 months to break even. This must mean that they really are going to push hard for the TV services and other "value added" services becuase clearly bandwidth alone will not cover the costs let alone make a profit. PS HURRY THE HELL UP AND GIVE ME MY FIBER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let's see... $40/month for internet $40/month for video $40/month for voip/wireline $40/month for wireless I bet that knocks some time off the ROI, after all most of that money goes into the same pot... -- .:|:.Tell a man there are 300 billion stars in the universe and he'll believe you. Tell him a bench has wet paint on it and he'll have to touch it to be sure. .:|:. | |
|  |   maartena Stacked. Premium join:2002-05-10 Orange, CA
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| I am a SBC customer (phoneline, not DSL) but I don't see em climbing that pole on my back patio and stringing fiber to it just yet....
Yes, I will have to see it to believe it. -- And i'm right. I'm always right, but this time I'm a little more right then I usually am. | |
|   MarkyD Premium join:2002-08-20 Oklahoma City, OK clubs: | Is this FTTP? Is this FTTP like verizon is doing, or is it just fiber to the node? If it's FTTN, what's the use? That's what cable already has, more or less. | |
|  |  |  |  |   oroper Patriots Rule
join:2004-06-01 Beverly, MA
| Re: Is this FTTP? Even if it's FTTN, Couldn't they use Coax cable to do the rest? or better yet that other technology that was mentioned earlier...UWB/UMB/ U something (I forgot) but you know what I mean..
^I will correct it as soon as someone reminds me...:D | |
|  |  |  |  lvas
join:2001-05-17 Glen Carbon, IL | Re: Is this FTTP? its FTTN and adsl2+ to the homes. should get 15 to 20meg down. | |
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join:2003-02-16 Ingersoll, ON | Re: Rural Issues You can't expect them to string fiber down a farm road for the 5 people that live there. At least not at first. That's the price you pay for living there. | |
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| I had the same thoughts earlier today in the Bytes.... said by GorbGuy: As good as this sounds, I'd put money on them updating urban users first and foremost and once it's time for we rural users, come up with some other excuse as to why they can't deploy in these areas. So now, instead of their efforts being concentrated on RT deployment, they've be knee deep into fiber and won't have time (or money,) for these. I'd like to be optimistic, but I've been hearing "shouldn't be long now" for the past four years.
As far as lighting those 5 houses... try 5 subdivisions each with 20 or so homes. I live next to that... and more with new houses springing up as the wind changes direction. And we're still considered "rural." And yet, no DSL. No DSL in Hastings [Michigan] either, population 18k+. But Saranac [Michigan] has it, population 5k or so. Paying a price for living in the country? Sure, we have snow to deal with, late mail arrivals, and hard to give directions to people visiting. But being disadvantaged for living in the country, and in many cases, mid sized to large cities? -- Your mouse has moved. Windows NT must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? | |
|   asdfdfdf
@xtraport.net
| Karl I wish you would clarify things... ...in your article a little bit because the distinction between ftth/p and fttn/node is crucial. Whitacre continues to poo-poo verizon like full fiber build. The triennial review had already made a determination that full fiber build did not have to be shared. The recent ruling extended those rules to fiber to the node builds within 500 ft. of customer premises.
For others. The 1200$ is rough calculation for ftth build. THe sbc plan is NOT ftth it is fiber to the node and adsl2 or adsl+ copper to the home. Using the rough figures of 6 billion to cover 18 million homes that is about a quarter of the full fiber build cost.
I believe that sbc, like verizon, is serious about their plans this time around, simply because they know they can't afford to jack around much longer. | |
|  |   Karl Bode News Guy join:2000-03-02
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1 edit | Re: Karl I wish you would clarify things... You're right. I thought it was clear but I've added additional clarification as well as a link to a thread discussing SBC ADSL2+ trials in Missouri for the last mile....
As for SBC being serious, I think you're right (they have to do something or risk extinction), but I'd like to see blinking modem LED's before I start handing out candy or dishing out pats on the backs. | |
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join:2001-01-22 Hollis, NH
| Re: Karl I wish you would clarify things... Verizon is looking to get ~$150/month per subscriber by providing TV, Phone, and Internet via FTTH plus some Cell bundling discounts. Generally, if their ROI is under 5 years that will be fantastic investment. It took Bells many more years and even decades to recover investments from POTS. | |
|  |  |   dslwanter Why would I want DSL? I have FTTH Premium join:2002-12-16 Lowellville, OH | Yea OK. I think humans will be able to grow wings and fly by the time my area sees fiber. | |
|  DSLrgm Premium,MVM join:2002-08-22 Oak Park, MI
| Outside the border Well I am 700' from our neighborhood box, with fresh copper put in 2 years ago (dropped maintance down from weekly to rarely; real $ win for SBC that new copper).
I also have a commercial ISP, DSL.NET with 64 public IP addresses, with them providing mail relaying and DNS secondaries (I run my own servers here). So SBC would have to have something significant for my needs.... | |
|  radougherty
join:1999-07-23 Austin, TX | Yea, right! Remember, this is the CEO that said that SBC offers DSL to 100% of their customers. Ed needs to get a better grade of drugs since he's overmedicated. | |
|  |   thongsai
join:2002-07-04 Santa Rosa, CA
| Re: Yea, right! well 100% is just prolly marketing crap to bring up stock prices. but i remember a time when i couldnt get dsl. when i moved farther away from the CO i lost all hope. then bam RT came. believe it or not they do want our money. well fiber costs has dropped and no sharing. plus they are doing to the node only. well i just hope they make those nodes upgradable to the home when (if not already) the demands are high. i would love to have fast internet and have cheaper tv services. -- »thongsai-roms.shorturl.com/ | |
|  |  |  Goldengamego Premium join:2004-02-22 Okemos, MI
| Re: Yea, right! said by thongsai :well 100% is just prolly marketing crap to bring up stock prices. but i remember a time when i couldnt get dsl. when i moved farther away from the CO i lost all hope. then bam RT came. believe it or not they do want our money. well fiber costs has dropped and no sharing. plus they are doing to the node only. well i just hope they make those nodes upgradable to the home when (if not already) the demands are high. i would love to have fast internet and have cheaper tv services.
Backbone access costs have also dropped a lot, which offsets the cost of installation. -- Because Goldengamegod won't fit:p | |
|  |  katylied
join:2003-10-15 Hot Springs National Park, AR
| CEO Ed said 100% and we KNOW that is a lie, and I see someone further down this thread using the figure of 80% and I don't KNOW that is a lie, but I suspect that it is still wrong. Does anyone REALLY know what percentage of SBC customers have the DSL choice? My guess from watching SBC and following the story for a very long time is that less than 50% of SBC customers currently have the DSL choice. | |
|   Transmaster Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20 Cheyenne, WY
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| Please, Please, Please with apologies to "come all ye Faithful"
Oh please all you Telco's Put in all your fiber on please do it real fast or we're stuck with BPL
I don't care what you call it all I know is I want it
Oh come ye oh come ye to my part of town
You have been saying fiber we are laying
Am I going to see it I really, really need it
Oh Come ye, oh come Ye to my part of town. -- »www.gobpl.com | |
|  nasadude
join:2001-10-05 Rockville, MD | the answer is NO! "If either Verizon or SBC fails to deploy fiber to the people, will they finally be held accountable after a decade worth of promises?"
That's a rhetorical question, right? | |
|  |   Yep Its Fiber
@aol.com
| FIber All The Way so let me get this right after years of using phone lines that break down are not reliable not meant to be that fast and have crappy distance. The only reason you might see a profit is because it is fiber powered but if i have the choice between fiber or phone lines i would rather get the pure signal. | |
|  |  |  JonR800 Premium join:2003-08-06 Farmington, MI | Re: Pronto Okay... so it half happened? That's kinda like being half pregnant. | |
|  |  |   d_l Barsoom Premium,MVM join:2002-12-08 Reno, NV
| Re: Pronto The original promise for Pronto was for 80% of the SBC customer base to be able to purchase DSL services by the end of 2002. That goal was eventually met this year. The economic downturn, the regulatory environment, and the unanticipated costs of maintaining and operating remote terminals took a toll on the timetable.
Pronto was never scrapped. It limped into completion. | |
|   Iridium Premium join:2003-04-02 Los Angeles, CA | Impossible.. SBC takes a month to install my DSL, it's not going to happen in 3 years, more like 5-10. -- Democracy is three wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. | |
|  sparks
join:2001-07-08 Little Rock, AR
| whats going to be new here? Well they are already saying that the last "MILE" won't be fiber. So its rt's and copper just like they have now? I am a little confused on this. all this service on copper that they already have in place...will this work?
p.s. I sat in little rock for 1.5 yrs hearing about dsl in Texas before they started doing anything here. SO I am not going to hold my breath on anything that sbc says is coming soon.
sparks | |
|  |   9Nines
@cyrusone.com
| Will I get fiber (situation) I had dismissed any chance of getting broadband, having to settle for ISDN the last five years, at about $100 all together a month and losing service about once every two months. I am about 35 mils west of downtown Houston. My house is about 8 miles from my central office and just 300 yards from a remote terminal but the RT is not DSL-capable.
For the last few weeks, SBC has been laying fiber toward my home. Right now it is in front of my home. All the home's pedestals have been painted to show SBC where the liens are and vacant lots that had no pedestals have had pedestals installed and linked to the fiber. At first I thought SBC was just laying the fiber to some new neighborhoods that will be more densely populated but based on the news of Project Lightspeed and the FCC rulings and the situation of pedestals being hooked to fiber, I am becoming optimistic.
Does what I describe sound as if fiber will be deployed to me home. If so, what time-frame do you guess if the fiber is being put in the ground right now?
Thanks for any help. | |
|   CheeseWare Premium join:2003-04-24 Burnaby, BC | Election times? The timing of this announcement looks suspect. Bread&games (aka broadband Internet) may have some appeal for the voting masses. | |
|   ftthz If love can kill hate can also save
join:2005-10-17 | believe it when i have it twidles my thumbs while i wait... | |
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