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Brand X: 'scariest and worst' decision
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Reason magazine interviews FCC chief Michael Powell, who defends his positions on indecency, media consolidation, and telco deregulation. In it, Powell calls the Brand X decision (which could open cable networks to competitors) "the scariest and worst decision that exists on the books today for the future of the Internet." Powell also repeats his opinion that media indecency complaints have "skyrocketed" despite recent revelations that 99.8% of complaints come from one organization.

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klobb

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I AGREE

It's a bad move to share the networks.
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dave49er

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Re: I AGREE

said by klobb See Profile:

It's a bad move to share the networks.
So whenever someone wants to provide competition, and lower your prices, they will have to:

1. Tear up your street forcing people to park on surface streets a block away if they want to use their car during that time

2. Tear up your driveway to lay underground cables (and then replace it)

3. Rip out your rosebushes and other landscaping so they can dig a trench?

The cable companies get sweet deals from municipalities and should have to share, although at some reasonable cost (so that others can compete) as they did spend some money, and they do have to maintain their lines.

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ha, parents tv council...

what a bunch of nubs complaining about janet jackson superbowl incident, its just tits. only ugly people complain about nudity...

draven
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Upon further review ...

I came to the conclusion a long time ago that Michael Powell has no idea what the hell he is talking about. I bet someone gets paid good money to take him out of the closet, prop him up and pull the string on his back each morning.
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Re: Upon further review ...

Agreed upon completely on him having no idea. I believe lowering the hassles of receiving permissions to run new lines and making municipal and community contracts illegal is the key to a healthy competition. Not letting someone just come in and use the lines, while not having to spend to build it, but also not letting one cable company monopolize an area.
macaholic
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Re: Upon further review ...

actually lets add one caveat. If the company that put those lines in by applying for or using public moneys (ie. tax inititiatives, subsidies, government loans) then they should share those lines as the government see fit. If they used private funding then they should not be required to share there lines...

in this case it works in favor of the cable companies and against the telcos who used public funding to build there infrastructure and then proceeded to try to rape the public with it.

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Re: Upon further review ...

If I'm not mistaken.....most of the cable companies got special "deals" from the cities that they installed in,easements, no competition, etc....to me that amounts to a handout.....to me VOIP constitutes being a "telecomuncation", don't you have to use a "phone" to talk...or is it considered a "voip" unit....don't get me wrong, I'm all for less control, for the right reasons....I believe the telcos are behind this,as they want to be even more unregulated...as a California resident I know first hand what un (de) regulation means....Higher un justified prices....(electricity) and no I'm not a "liberal" kind of a centrist...son no bashing...may be this will scare them into lower their prices....JMT
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Re: Upon further review ...

said by woody7 See Profile:

If I'm not mistaken.....most of the cable companies got special "deals" from the cities that they installed in,easements, no competition, etc.
No, exclusive franchise agreements between a single cable company and a city/township is illegal. The only exclusivity option is for condos and apartment complexes and the like. They are allowed to block any or all cable companies, but a city must allow a cable company must be allowed to build a network if the cable company agrees with the terms that the city wants(price per pole for right-of-way charges).

woody7
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Re: Upon further review ...

Does include under the table crap?
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Re: Upon further review ...

said by woody7 See Profile:

Does include under the table crap?
They should, everything must be disclosed in the franchise agreement since those documents are made public. If there are any "behind the doors" extras and they are found out the city could wind up in court.
flushls

join:2004-11-02
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Re: Upon further review ...I agree

If public money was used/or a monopoly granted for construction or deployment there should be sharing obligations.
However if it was constructed entirely with private capital there should be under no terms any sharing.
nasadude

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said by draven See Profile:

I came to the conclusion a long time ago that Michael Powell has no idea what the hell he is talking about. I bet someone gets paid good money to take him out of the closet, prop him up and pull the string on his back each morning.
I think you underestimate Mikey; I think he knows exactly what he is doing and he doesn't give a rat's @ss how it affects consumers. He is looking after his patrons: big media, cable and telecommunications.

After he resigns (please let it be soon), look for Mikey to get a sweet, really high paying job in one of the industries he was regulating.

zabes63

join:2003-04-05
Batavia, IL

That does it!!!

I want DNA test results proving that this guy is Colin's progeny.

pnh102
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He's right about Brand X

Why should cable companies have to open up their privately owned and privately built networks? If Brand X wants access, they should get into some kind of line-sharing agreement with the cable companies or, gasp, actually build their own network.

You can't say that cable companies and phone companies should be regulated alike because the businesses are not the same. Phone companies are required to provide service to everyone, cable companies are not. Cable also is not subject to the stringent SLAs required of phone companies.

Thankfully this ruling came from the 9th Circus Court of Appeals so it will most likely be overturned.
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pa grape
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Re: He's right about Brand X - agree!

I agree with you here. If private companies are made to share there property with others, I would guess the upkeep and upgardes of the infrastructure would somewhat deteriorate.
fgoldstein

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Re: He's right about Brand X - agree!

Why would sharing bandwidth cause the property to deteriorate? "Foreign" bits on the wire would wear out the splices? Gimme a break!

The BrandX issue is more complicated than that. The telephone companies were given a monopoly in order to build networks for everyone to use, at regulated rates. That's what a common carrier does. They no longer have a legal monopoly, but it's not feasible for everybody to string parallel wire on the poles. BellSouth has petitioned the FCC for the right to kick all competing ISPs off of their DSL wire, which is a big fight right now (SBC, VZ and Q would of course get the same treatment).

But the cable companies were never asked to be common carriers. They added cable modem services with the assumption that they'd be considered self-provisioned ISPs. They've governed by somewhat different rules from telephone companies; among the differences is that cable companies pay a 5% (typical) franchise fee "off the top" to the municipality. Most courts and the FCC have agreed. The Ninth disagreed, and found "carriage" underneath the cable modem service, and want it offered to other ISPs. The risk here is that if cable is declared a common carrier, what about other self-provisioned ISPs? The guy who sticks an unlicensed wireless link on a rooftop to serve a neighborhood?

Stringing your own wire (fiber) is rarely a viable option. BrandX itself actually has strung fiber around its own neighborhood. But in most cities, the poles are crowded, making it extremely costly to add additional lines. (Each occupant needs a vertical foot "gain", or if none is free, it has to add a cross-arm, or even replace the pole with a bigger one.) And let's not even think about underground street-trenching construction.

It's hard to balance these interests. Powell, however, finds it easy -- he simply rules out ISPs and CLECs, period. Not the right answer.
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Re: He's right about Brand X - agree!

said by fgoldstein See Profile:

... among the differences is that cable companies pay a 5% (typical) franchise fee "off the top" to the municipality.
more accurate to say the cable companies pass on a 5% fee to their customers.

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said by fgoldstein See Profile:

Stringing your own wire (fiber) is rarely a viable option. BrandX itself actually has strung fiber around its own neighborhood. But in most cities, the poles are crowded, making it extremely costly to add additional lines.
So why is that anyone other than Brand X's problem? Why should the cable companies care at all and why should they be forced to share if Brand X doesn't have the cash to access these poles? If the cable companies had to pay someone else for access to these poles, then surely Brand X should be expected to do the same.

Again, this is simply an issue of private property. Brand X wants to force other companies to grant Brand X access to their private property. The government has no place doing this.
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VirtualLarry
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Re: He's right about Brand X - agree!

said by pnh102 See Profile:

Again, this is simply an issue of private property. Brand X wants to force other companies to grant Brand X access to their private property. The government has no place doing this.
Except that in nearly all cases, "communications providers", telcos and cable cos alike, are using space that they do not privately own, to string their wires or whatever. That space is either owned by another private party, or by the public-at-large, which means that the owner has the right to demand concessions, or apply restrictions, on the use of that property. One of the restrictions, could be the legal requirement that they are required to share their lines with other communications-services companies.

So your right, it is a question of property, but in terms of easements granted through "public" spaces, the gov't has every right to make those line-sharing demands, on behalf of the people, who own the property that the private company is using to deliver their services and profit off of.

Or is it your view that private companies should be able to steal from citizens at will?

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Re: He's right about Brand X - agree!

said by VirtualLarry See Profile:

which means that the owner has the right to demand concessions,
They do, they lease the space from the owner. In return the owner lets them install and use their wire for whatever they want to do with it. Which one of the things is to not allow a competitor use the wire that they paid for, installed, maintains, and rents space for.
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said by pnh102 See Profile:

Again, this is simply an issue of private property. Brand X wants to force other companies to grant Brand X access to their private property. The government has no place doing this.
Well, I have not said that I favored Brand X's position, personally, in their case. I am very much on record as opposing the Incumbent Local Exchange Carriers' petitions to be treated like cable companies, rather than as common carriers. Brand X argues that cable companies do what common carriers do and should be treated the same way. The ILECs agree, but in the opposite sense -- they want both to be NOT common carriers.

The public interest demands common carriage. It is highly unrealistic to grant "propertarian" rights to common carriers to control what they do with their property. If the ILECs were not regulated, there would be no Internet: It was regulation that forced Ma Bell to allow "foreign attachments", like modems. (Or would you rather be renting a Model 103 300-bps modem for $25/month?) It was regulation that forced Ma Bell to allow "sharing and resale" of its leased lines: Before that rule, they flat-out refused to run leased data circuits between two different corporations, because "private lines" could only be for the exclusive use of one company. Anything else had to go dial-up, paying toll.

Cable companies do pay a franchise fee -- yes, they're allowed to pass it along, which is rational since it's a cost of doing business -- which I suppose ostensibly covers the value of their rights of way. Telcos don't pay that, but do have an obligation of common carriage. Cable companies were not created to carry the Internet -- it's possible that if they were regulated as common carriers, they'd be much less interested in doing it. That's the legal situation in the USA. The Bells claim they need that incentive too, but that's absurd; they're the sole provider of wholesale access to ISPs, and have incredibly valuable plant. Canada, I will note, has different laws, and does impose something like common carriage (wholesale access at regulated rates for any ISP who wants in) on cable modems. If there were no common carriers, even this message board couldn't exist -- who would allow it on *their* wires?
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said by fgoldstein See Profile:

Why would sharing bandwidth cause the property to deteriorate? "Foreign" bits on the wire would wear out the splices? Gimme a break!
No, but as "Brand X" moves in and has to pay no upkeep cost for the devices on the lines, the incumbent cable provider has to layoff people and cut budgets on maintenance because they are making less money to maintain the system.

With the way the cable system is built, "Brand X" just can't come in and drop their own RF equipment in the mix and have it coexist with the existing infrastructure.

They will just be reselling the incumbent's infrastructure to their customers. Such as Earthlink does right now over Time Warner Cable. Earthlink doesn't have to maintain any part of the TWC infrastructure.

CPM

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Hmm

Powell also repeats his opinion that media indecency complaints have "skyrocketed".

Well, if those people want a clean TV show. They should only be watching PBS. Wait, PBS even shows boobies. Well, I guess they should just turn off the (LOL boob tube and read a book.)

Yes, they do show boobies, in certain documentaries.

Hell Jerry Springer made money,letting fat, overweight, ugly people show there boobies, And that is on day time network broadcast.
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Re: Hmm

said by CPM See Profile:

Powell also repeats his opinion that media indecency complaints have "skyrocketed". Well, if those people want a clean TV show. They should only be watching PBS. Wait, PBS even shows boobies. Well, I guess they should just turn off the (LOL boob tube and read a book.)
Ironically, I think PBS is exempt from some of the "indecency" regulations that govern other stations and broadcast networks. At least based on what I've seen on there.

CPM

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Re: Hmm

You are right they are exempt.

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The "Bush Moral Minority" is pushing us back to the stone age.
These folks need to get a real life and wake up to what is really going on in the real world.
TV et. al. is only parlaying to us what is going on in todays society.

It's time to tell the "Moral Minority" to go home and read books, disconnect their electrical appliances and hibernate. They cannot change everything. And they will not win.
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I wouldnt shead a tear...

I wouldnt shead a tear if powell fell down a flight of stairs busted that thick skull of his open and started barking like a dog.
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There's a much more scary one that could be made

quote:
...Powell calls the Brand X decision (which could open cable networks to competitors) "the scariest and worst decision that exists on the books today for the future of the Internet."
I guess the "boss" has forbidden Powell to even allow the subject of the UN to enter his mind.
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electric_dsl

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hypocrites

Let me get this straight, it is bad for Microsoft to bundle IE into THEIR OS that THEY PAYED for.

Yet it is okay for Cable and Telcos to have a monopoly and deny access?

So far the cable and telcos in the US have shown that they can get broadband to users on their own.... Oh wait from what I call the US has one of the worst coverages of all first rate nations...

Its okay though because they are look at bringing everyone fibre!!!! Riiiight because they were so succesful running DSL and cable to everyone..

Of course you can play they "we are bigger" card but here in Canada, the SECOND largest country land mass wise in the world, has far better coverage, higher speeds at lower prices, then the states not to mention europe and japan are so far ahead technology wise its scary....

Whats the new execuse?

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Re: hypocrites

said by electric_dsl See Profile:

Yet it is okay for Cable and Telcos to have a monopoly and deny access?
But there are no laws here which state that a company which wants to run its own network cannot do so. The FCC has made it clear that state and municipal governments cannot lock out other companies which want to run wires.

This decision is about private property. Cable companies' networks are private property and as such, the companies are free to share or not share their property in any way that they please. If the government does not like that, then it can always exercise eminent domain and buy the networks from the companies at a fair price. Just because one company is too cheap to invest in its own infrastructure does not mean that the government cannot legally force any entity in this country to share their private property with anyone.
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said by electric_dsl See Profile:

Let me get this straight, it is bad for Microsoft to bundle IE into THEIR OS that THEY PAYED for.

Yet it is okay for Cable and Telcos to have a monopoly and deny access?

So far the cable and telcos in the US have shown that they can get broadband to users on their own.... Oh wait from what I call the US has one of the worst coverages of all first rate nations...

Its okay though because they are look at bringing everyone fibre!!!! Riiiight because they were so succesful running DSL and cable to everyone..

Of course you can play they "we are bigger" card but here in Canada, the SECOND largest country land mass wise in the world, has far better coverage, higher speeds at lower prices, then the states not to mention europe and japan are so far ahead technology wise its scary....

Whats the new execuse?
It's really too bad Canada can't seem to do anything with that land mass (which is 40% friggin' ice...nice try though).

Prove that Canada has better coverage than the United States. Go ahead. You can't. Like most of your posts on here, your reply will be inflammatory yet useless. You almost went so far as to blame poor Karl because you couldn't follow the thread structure on the reply.
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Hey, if Brand X means that my slacker cable company will have to get off their duff and either offer GOOD internet service (ie, not the crap-ass one-way cable they're giving me now) or open their lines to someone that CAN give good service... I'm all for it.

Maybe this will knock a few high-and-mighty cable/DSL providers down a notch, give them some work to do to stay relevant.

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Be Gentle

Have a heart Michael Powell has trouble at home. Seem as though he has a relative that is pissed off with him, she can't get broadband. Forget coal she carries a brick in her purse;)
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Network Sharing & Friends...

Seems like most people forgot something from Economics 101: The idea of a "natural monopoly."

What that doctrine basically states is that some services, such as those of infrastructure, generally is best handled by a single entity. Otherwise, any time a competitor attempts to compete, new infrastructure would need to be added, which creates annoyingly bad situations such as streets that are always dug up, etc.

Of course, the best compromise between free markets and monopolies would be for a neutral, independent entity to maintain the infrastructure, and allow numerous competitors to lease the exact same infrastructure to service different customers -- not unlike how the electricity "deregulation" happened in Texas. This does have its own disadvantages as well... such as the creation of a price floor and relatively low profit margins for the competing companies, which may dissuade new companies from entering the fray from time to time... still, it's a semi-devious way for a government entity to control the prices on the consumer's end without undue burden on the regulatory agencies by introducing more companies to look after...

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Re: Network Sharing & Friends...

said by RogerDucky See Profile:

Of course, the best compromise between free markets and monopolies would be for a neutral, independent entity to maintain the infrastructure, and allow numerous competitors to lease the exact same infrastructure to service different customers -- not unlike how the electricity "deregulation" happened in Texas.
That's exactly what Opportunity Iowa is -

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Regulations and Big Business

Seems that everytime a town or city wants to run there own fiber or network the Big Telcos or Cable providers oppose it in the media and the courts. But yet they still don't want to share there networks with anyone. Then who exactly is behind the bad press of having internet over the Power Lines? Yet some of you want the Telcos to not share. You want the XBrands to get there own. But the Telcos don't want the XBrands to get there own. They do not want the competition. If they had fair competition they would need to lower prices. Just like cable and telephone companies with there special add on fees, instead of lowering prices, they just raise them somtimes monthly.

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FCC complaints

The "parents television council" is the one orgaization that is responsible for 99.8 percent of the indecency complaints that the FCC gets. This is ridiculous. I say we all call COGENT(the ISP of these idiots) and complian that the server being hosted at 66.28.247.140 has material that we find obscene on it.
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