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| said by SRFireside  :Perseus to the rescue! Davy Jones won't be too happy about that. He would want your soul! [grin]
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| Im broke.
I can't go to the movie theater in my city, becuase it's VERY ghetto and unsafe, so I have to drive 40 minutes to the next theater thats closest to me, which sucks, and is making me use like 5-6 bucks just on gas to get to the damn place and back, plus the movie, and a drink. I've seen:
Clerks 2
Superman Returns
Cars
Click
Mission Impossible: 3
+ 3 other movies which I can't remember right now.
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1 edit | Re: Im Broke You went out and saw Click and Superman Returns??? Well, you could wait for reviews to come out then only go see movies that are worth it. Would save you time, money and gas!
If you don't see any reviews till a week or two after the movie is released, it's because the only way the studios can avoid a bad review is to avoid the review completely. They stopped allowing critics at the premieres... I'm sure you can guess why the sudden change in policy.
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| Who's fault is this? You're making it sound like the rediculous cost is the fault of the movie industry.
Maybe wait until they come out on video?
By the way to the others... justifying piracy is one thing when the movie is out in the hands of the public.. but this movie is still only in theaters. NO justification to pirate. | |
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Bowie, MD | Re: Im Broke They should lower movie theater prices like 50%, so theirs ,lol. It should be $3-4 bucks a movie, $2 dollars a drink, not $9 a movie, $4 a drink. | |
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| Re: Im Broke You should:
1]get a job at a movie theater. Then the movies are free.
2]Become buddies with the managment. I knew a guy that knew a guy that knew a guy that was buds with a theater manager. He'd call and ask if it was kool if he and a few buds went to see a movie. The manger would give them free tickets as long as they paid for food from the concession stand. The theater makes its money from food sales. They take in very little from movie ticket sales.
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| Re: Im Broke said by Snakeoil :The theater makes its money from food sales. They take in very little from movie ticket sales. Weird isn't it? It's 12$ in my area for a movie and most of it goes to the distributors and studios. I often find the seats in the theatre and the snack food more memorable then the movies I've been seeing lately. | |
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| said by JadamB86 :They should lower movie theater prices like 50%, so theirs ,lol. It should be $3-4 bucks a movie, $2 dollars a drink, not $9 a movie, $4 a drink. yeah. concessions is where the theatres make their REAL profits.
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Cyberspace | Re: Im Broke The theaters have to make it somewhere. They make peanuts off of the ticket sales -- so little, in fact, that it's pretty much negligible. That's the reason concession prices are ridiculous. | |
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| said by fiberguy :By the way to the others... justifying piracy is one thing when the movie is out in the hands of the public.. but this movie is still only in theaters. NO justification to pirate. We're back to the try before you buy model here, FG. People would rather know if they are going to like the movie before plunking out $8 to see it (or buy it on DVD later on). The fact that the movie is the most downloaded AND is breaking box office records tells me that P2P either has little bearing on actual sales or can actually help box office sales. | |
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| Re: Im Broke Hmmm. Can't say I agree with your thinking there.
No.. first run movie theft? this is out and out theft! It's not even being released for this purpose.
No, it doesn't mean a damn thing other than people will continue to be thieves and thugs. Who are you? Robin hood?
Look, I can stomach people sharing and downloading the movies when the thing has been released to video.. and even then I have a moral issue with that - I dont' take which doesn't belong to me especially when I know someone is selling and asking a price for it.
This movie isn't even released or intended to be in the hands of the public yet. To take it at this time has NO excuse and YOU KNOW IT!
I don't buy into the try it before you buy it ESPECIALLY right now becuase it's NOT AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE! It's available to buy as a service... a viewing ONLY! You want to try it? Watch the previews or in this case, see the first one... If the previews don't sell you then wait for it to come out as a cheaper buy option.
You look at the movie producers as doing well despite the amount of p2p.. I look at the producers loosing money because of the p2p a*sholes.
I've liked a movie so much in the past that I would pay to see it a few times. So, I guess in today's world it should only need to be paid to view once? Hell, in some people's thinking it shouldn't even be paid to be viewd at all!
So, I guess that people that have stolen this particular movie, and it has been stolen at this point, will go rush to the theater to see it on the big screen? No way! These are thives.. I hope people like this get caught.. I hope the RIAA cleans their clocks in court, and I hope these people's lives are miserable for years because of it.
This, no matter how you spin it, is theft... through and through.
""The fact that the movie is the most downloaded AND is breaking box office records tells me that P2P either has little bearing on actual sales or can actually help box office sales.""
SPIN... pure spin! You have NO scientific study to justify your thinking here... It's ALL speculation driven by your personal view.
Sorry to come off so strong to you, but the key here is that the movie is still in theaters and thieves made it available the to public.. it's not even under the home viewing protection clause at this point. How can you justify this? Further, the legal owners of this intellectual property does not want a try it before you buy it scene... what they do want you to see is a preview... that's it!
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| Re: Im Broke said by fiberguy :Look, I can stomach people sharing and downloading the movies when the thing has been released to video.. and even then I have a moral issue with that - I dont' take which doesn't belong to me especially when I know someone is selling and asking a price for it. Yeah. That's out and out bootlegging, which is what I consider true piracy. No way to justify making money off of somebody's work without just compensation.
said by fiberguy :This movie isn't even released or intended to be in the hands of the public yet. To take it at this time has NO excuse and YOU KNOW IT! That would depend on how it got out. If we're talking about some cheap camcorder recording then I don't see what the fuss is about. That's worse quality than taping songs off the radio.
Now if we are talking digital copies then it would depend on how it got out. Somebody steal a pressing from the studio? Copied a theater reel? Maybe it was "leaked" by the company (These things do happen, and while we're on that subject I would like to know what the studio's reaction is to what's happening). If we're talking about somebody actually taking a reel then yeah that's not right.
said by fiberguy :I don't buy into the try it before you buy it ESPECIALLY right now becuase it's NOT AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE! It's available to buy as a service... a viewing ONLY! But you do pay money for that viewing. We are still talking about a pre-recorded product that is being released to the public. Not a true performance. Sure the format is at a theater where a mess of people watch at once, but in the end you are still paying to view a pre-recorded product. In theory you do that when you buy a DVD. Only difference is you bought (for a higher price) a license to view the film multiple times at multiple locations. In that light try before you buy still holds water.
If you are "okay" with people sharing music and movies that can be bought at the store how much of a difference are we seeing here? You are still buying something, even if it's a ticket for a single viewing.
said by fiberguy :You look at the movie producers as doing well despite the amount of p2p.. I look at the producers loosing money because of the p2p a*sholes. I want to know what movies have tanked because of P2P. I am talking about movies that were well received, but box office sales were much lower while downloading was extremely high.
said by fiberguy :I've liked a movie so much in the past that I would pay to see it a few times. So, I guess in today's world it should only need to be paid to view once? Hell, in some people's thinking it shouldn't even be paid to be viewd at all! I'll pay twice for a good movie too. I am all for supporting the movies you love. I am not the person you hear online that complains about going to the movies so much they boycott them. I will, however, be selective on where I put my money. Tickets are a lot higher than they used to be, and that puts a damper on my desire to go the movies more than I would like.
said by fiberguy :So, I guess that people that have stolen this particular movie, and it has been stolen at this point, will go rush to the theater to see it on the big screen? No way! Don't presume the actions of people you don't know. I can say with confidence that all those download-and-never-pay people you read in posts like these are in the major minority. This isn't the first example of a highly shared/bootlegged product ending up a top seller.
said by fiberguy :""The fact that the movie is the most downloaded AND is breaking box office records tells me that P2P either has little bearing on actual sales or can actually help box office sales."" SPIN... pure spin! You have NO scientific study to justify your thinking here... It's ALL speculation driven by your personal view. The results speak for themselves. Pirates II (I won't type the entire movie title) made over $300 million in two weeks (over $400 million internationally). It broke the all-time record for the highest opening weekend and opening day gross, and highest grossing sales in 2006 (that the highest grossing of all movies in 2006... in just two weeks). It is also the fastest to make $300 million of any movie ever.
It's hard not to look at these numbers and say P2P doesn't affect sales. Not so much spin as it is empirical data.
said by fiberguy :...the key here is that the movie is still in theaters and thieves made it available the to public.. it's not even under the home viewing protection clause at this point. How can you justify this? Can't argue too much here on the grounds you address. However in looking at fair use (or rather what is deemed copyright infringement) I don't see much on grounds that go against that.
said by fiberguy :Further, the legal owners of this intellectual property does not want a try it before you buy it scene... what they do want you to see is a preview... that's it! And there have been scores of disappointments when you trust the "spin" of the preview, and the movie turns out to be much less than the sum of the minutes put into that preview. I see P2P to be the potential as the great equalizer in these events. Are people downloading and not going to the theater, EVEN if they liked the movie and would have seen it in the theater? Yeah, no doubt. However in the end Buena Vista is raking in on some obscene money right now, and that's in spite of the rampant trading.
BTW I don't download movies. I can't justify the time spent just to look at a 19" computer screen rendition of a movie I am curious about. Do I get burned at the box office for forking over hard earned cash for a crap movie? Yeah I do. This is why I somewhat endorse file trading of movies. I don't completely agree with it, as you make some good points. Just in the end if I have to make an ultimate judgement call over the whole issue (regardless of individual situations) I would defer to sharing. | |
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1 edit | Re: Im Broke Please stop incorrectly refering to copyright infringment as theft  , it is not theft, it is copyright infrignment, plain and simple. You don't have to twist any logic, rationalize, or anything to get that straight. It is what it is and is not what it is not.
To be theft, after something is stolen it has to no longer be in posession of whoever previously posessed it, otherwise, it's not theft.
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Bridgeton, NJ
clubs: | Im lucky where i live they just re opened a drive in.
So i can bring my own food and drinks and they got a great deal on admission prices. The driver pays like 6 or 8 $ and everyone in the trunk gets in for free | |
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Bowie, MD | Its not that ghetto.
Go during the day or afternoon.
I don't think its unsafe. I just goto columbia because the theater is way bigger and has better screens. | |
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DeadSurvivor
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| So True! I Went To The Theatre For The First Time A Few Weeks Ago (Superman: Returns), Paying For Myself Only, I Spent $16.50 ... Alot To Watch A Movie When Many Movies Seem To Come Out On DVD 1-2 Months After Theatre Release.
Also, As Someone Stated, I Don't Think People Who Download Videos Illegally Are The Same People Who Spend Money At The Movies ... Otherwise, They Wouldn't Be At Their PCs, They Would Be In Line.
And It's True, I Think Movies Don't Reach Their Expected Numbers Not Because Of Pirating, But Because There Are Too Many Movies Out There. At One Time, You Could Hit The Theatres And Watch All The Movies Released If You Had The Patience. Now, LOL.
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| Re: This'll Stop Them! said by DeadSurvivor :Gone Are The Days Of The $4.00 Movies (At A Theatre). R.I.P. Nope.. they are very much alive.. they are called matinees... | |
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| Re: This'll Stop Them! said by fiberguy :said by DeadSurvivor :Gone Are The Days Of The $4.00 Movies (At A Theatre). R.I.P. Nope.. they are very much alive.. they are called matinees... I would LOVE to find more $4 matinees in my town. Only one in the area is kinda out of the way while the local theaters are at $6.25 for a matinee. | |
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1 edit | They don't do these anymore in Boston. And movie tickets are $11's... :P
I just don't watch movies anymore. I think the last one I saw was Lord of the Rings thingy.. I'm not paying $50's to bring my family to a terribly written movie.
Most DVD's are so bad that I just get up and walk away 30 mins or so before its over; not even interested enough to see what happens.
Of course, one of the reasons movie ticket prices are so high is because of the crazy actors union. When is the last time you saw a performance that warranted a $20m pay check? The average CEO annual salary is ~$6m a year and people complain A LOT about how much these guys make. (probably rightful so) Yet "actors" are making over 3x as much. Some of them (Angelina baby) even say that they are outrageously paid. | |
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| Re: This'll Stop Them! said by Ahrenl :I just don't watch movies anymore. I think the last one I saw was Lord of the Rings thingy.. I'm not paying $50's to bring my family to a terribly written movie. Dunno man... Clerks 2 has a great "fight" between the LOTR and Star Wars trilogies. You might be missing out!
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| I Agree With The Point Of Too Many Releases ... There Are Too Many Movies Out There To Watch The Ones We All Want To See, At $8.00/movie. If The Studios Would Actually Use A Quality vs. Quantity Model Then Great But In These Days, Quantity = $$$.
I Don't Remember The Last Decent Action Movie Ive Seen, Likely Bad Boys 2 And The Lethal Weapon Movies. Quality Over Quantity. | |
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| Re: This'll Stop Them! So, what....? Socialized movies too? There are many studios out there competing for many different things - mostly customers.
If there are too many movies to see at $8 each, why don't you wait until the $16.99 DVD comes out and watch it then, or rent it from netflix.
How can you say there are too many movies out there to watch and then use the term QUality vs. Quantity?
If, in your view, they are just cranking out movies that are not equalling quality (see quality vs. quantity) then there aren't that many moveis worth seeing in the first place. Where's the problem?
No one here in this thread, or in this world, is OWED or has the RIGHT to be entertained by the movie industry. You have NO rights what so ever to complain. You DO have the right to not patron this particular business or industry.
If you do not like applebees or think they are too pricey for your taste, do you go eat there? or do you pass it up? If you don't like a movie or a price charged for it, you have the same right to pass it up.
The government (we the people) is not funding the movie industry. The movie industry owes you nothing. So where is this notion that people have a right to take a piece of property that doesn't belong to them? You have the right move right along and leave the movies be if you are not happy. No amount of regulation, no amount of bitching, or public outcry is going to change this fact.
And for the record, the movies, which you can see as low at about $4.25 up to about $8 or so is the cost of a movie. If one chooses to buy over priced popcorn or sodas, that's their problem! The price of the movie still remains the price of the movie. Is there a reason why people can't go 90 minutes without stuffing their face? | |
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2 edits | Re: This'll Stop Them! Hmmm ... Too Many Studios? I Don't Know Of Many With The Sway For National Distribution, Aside From A Few. B Movies Aren't Released In Theatres.
NetFlix Is Good From What I Hear, I Have Not Tried It Yet. I Usually Wait For It To Come To Cable.
Quality vs. Quantity ... I Guess What I Meant Was I'd Prefer Viewing Quality Movies Over Viewing Many Average Or SubPar Movies. I'd Rather Watch Spiderman Than Kung Pow. I Don't Think There Are Too Many Awesome Flicks Out There, "I" Actually Think The Opposite. I Don't Enjoy Paying $8.00 To Watch A Movie Like Kung Pow ... Thats Where The Quality Comes In.
"If there aren't that many movies worth seeing in the first place. Where's the problem?" ... No Problem. Stating My Opinions As You Do With Yours.
Hmmm, I Won't Go Too Far Into The Rights Domain Because We Could Sling Mud Forever On That Front And Never Agree. No Rights To Complain? I View Complaints/Praise As Opinions, Everyone Has Them.
AppleBee's Analogy: True, I Have Chosen Not To Spend My Money On Things I Do Not Enjoy Or Things I Think Are OverPriced. Does This Rape Me The Right To Let People Know My Tastes? On A MessageBoard, You Read Something You Don't Agree With, You Can Voice Your Opinion Or Be Quiet. In This Particuliar Case, We Both Voiced Our Opinions.
Government Funding Movies? I Never Said They Did. As For PeopleTaking Property That Doesn't Belong To Them ... Bottom Line, If There Is A Cheaper Or Free Outlet, Alot Of People Will Take That Outlet (Similiar To Taking A ShortCut To Work).
»www.moviewatcher.com/theatres/th···unit=273 Will Show You Matinee Pricing, Which For The Most Part, Near Universal Pricing For My Area. There Are Matinee Pricings For The Few Movies That Begin Before 12:00PM For $4.25 ... I Assume People Attend Them Or They Wouldn't Exist. For Myself, I Don't Recall Ever Going To A Theatre Between 9:00AM - 12:00PM ... I Know, This Is My Preferance. Like I Stated Earlier, This Is My Opinion And You Are Definitely Entitled To Yours.
On The Issue Of Watching Pirated Movies, I've Seen Friends "Attempt" To Download A Movie Or Two In Downloadable Chunks Back In The Early Days Of Napster ... Needless To Say, They Complained About The Picture Quality As Being Near Unwatchable. Myself, I Could Download Illegally, So Could You. We've Chosen Not To Do So. | |
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| some of the most downloaded movies in history have also been the films that have broken a billion dollars in world wide boxoffice sales. so basicly the movie company lost no money because they made a profit. i prefer the big screen and the ability to see it right away though(rather then wait a whole day for it to DL off the ever slow bittorrent).
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| the only people that don't know this are in Congress everybody seems to know the studios are blowing smoke out their @ss with their "pirates are ruining the movie business" rhetoric, except the idiots in congress.
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Silver Spring, MD | Re: the only people that don't know this are in Congress the opposite of congress is progress.
the opposite of the **AA's is God and Jesus. (before they morphed/fused/bonded together) | |
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| Proof Looks like this is proof to me that piracy doesn't ruin anything to the extent that the studios claim. I don't know the numbers exactly off the top of my head, but this summer there are quite a few movies in the $100 to $200 million dollar range. I don't know either how it compares to last year when just about every movie out was a shitty reproduction. Maybe those dumb bastards at the MPAA will see this trend and finally realize piracy doesn't hurt them; making shitty movies hurts them. Pirates of the Caribbean 2 was sold out the opening weekend at most theatre's around here at least, I don't remember that happening at all last summer.
WAKE UP MPAA, STOP WASTING MONEY FIGHTING PIRACY, USE IT TO MAKE BETTER MOVIES - IT WORKS.
People are always going to find a way to get things for free and if they can't they aren't going to watch the movie anyhow. It's not a lost sale at all, it's a non-sale.
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| Re: Proof Umm. I agree with your post, but there was a little movie last year SW3 that was sold out opening weekend. Something like $50 million first night alone.
And yes - there was a pirate of that movie out too, did not stop people showing up in mass.
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| Re: Proof Sorry I forgot about SW3, but the point I was making is that no one wanted to see those shit reproductions which dominated last summer and when they used some of their creative genius they brought more people and money in this year.
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| Re: Proof It's true. If the studios make good movies the people will come. I have seen 4 movies this summer (The da Vinci Code, X-Men 3, Superman Returns and Pirates). I think I only saw one movie in 2005. I don't have a big screen TV, so to get the big screen experience I need to go the movie theater. The studios should stop wasting time and money fighting piracy and put the time and money into making good movies. They will reap the benefits. | |
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New York, NY | So... The reason why people go view blockbusters such as that one is because the scenary and special effects. I doubt you'll get the best out of it from a CAM.
I went to see the movie and was BLOWN away!
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New York, NY | Re: So... Except the pirated copies aren't cams they are dvds. | |
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New York, NY | Re: So... New releases are rarely found as DVDs. Older releases yes, but never ones, no. | |
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New York, NY | Re: So... Not true it depends on the release. | |
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New York, NY | Re: So... Thats why I added RARELY. | |
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New York, NY | Re: So... No I mean new releases are pretty common as dvds, at least on usenet. | |
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North York, ON | Re: A small issue when it comes to movies they said that about every single other new technology, but things have always stayed the same | |
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3 edits | said by Nightfall :In my opinion, movies on illegal P2P networks aren't cutting into sales much. Sure, you will have people that would download a crappy videocam version to watch at home if they liked the flick. A majority of them won't sit around the computer monitor to watch a movie like that though. The quality is crap and the sound is crap as well. Even the DVD-R rips of movies have sound and quality issues. They will probably be more nervous when more people have DVD burners with Dual Layer and the dual layer discs become much cheaper. In my opinion, the one thing holding back people from pirating movies is the fact that it just isn't cost feasable yet and the quality sucks if you compress the movies. Dual layer disks are coming down in price to about $2-$3 a piece. Maybe when more dual layer drives are out in the mainstream and dual layer disks are cheaper than movies being pirated will be more of an issue. That is not far off from today by the way. I'm going to have to disagree with you. The majority of dvd rips are the same quality as a normal DVD, they just exclude all the extra languages, and special features. (The majority of dvd9 movies that are published, are this big because they include directors commentary, or extra languages) So you arent loosing out on much. In a good release the audio is rarely reencoded, and the same goes with video, if it is then its a bad dvdrip. dvdrips are released for a reason, and that reason is quality. Now, I would agree with you on most vcd and xvid releases, though.
Of course, you could just goto blockbuster or rent a dvd from netflix for less then 3 bucks, and make an iso of the dvd, thus eliminating any quality concerns. | |
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Brooklyn, NY
|  Re: A small issue when it comes to movies
said by Mchart :I'm going to have to disagree with you. The majority of DVD rips are the same quality as a normal DVD, they just exclude all the extra languages and special features. The majority of DVD9 movies that are published are this big because they include director's commentary or extra languages. So you aren't loosing out on much. In a good release the audio is rarely re-encoded, and the same goes with video; if it is, then it's a bad DVD rip. DVD rips are released for a reason, and that reason is quality. Now, I would agree with you on most VCD and XVID releases though. I'd have to agree with that. When I first started copying DVDs using transcoders (e.g. CloneDVD, DVD Shrink), I prayed for the day when DVD DL media would come down in price. The difference between the original and a copy was noticeable, especially if you copied the DVD with all the extras and stuff. Then I discovered programs like DVD Rebuilder and encoders such as CCE and ProCoder, and since I started using them, I no longer understand what the fuss with DL is all about. While these tools do take a longer time to re-encode the DVD, the end results is almost as good as the original copy.
The new buzz these days, however, is HD, which even makes DL DVDs look like crap. However, I'm not touching that until either Blue-Ray or HD-DVD win the format war and/or equipment comes down in price.
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oliphant
I Have 8 Boobies
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join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA
| Just goes to show... Make a GOOD movie like Spider-man 2 or Pirates and people will go out, pay the high price for tickets, popcorn etc, deal with crowds, crying babies, people who can't shut up during the movie and ringing cellphones to see it on the big screen.
Make sh!t movies like Basic Instinct 2, From Justin to Kelly and Doom you may get a few people to download it for free. | |
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odreian615
join:2006-01-18
Chicago, IL | I wont lie I tried to download it but they gave me the first one BASTARDS | |
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TOPDAWG
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join:2005-04-27
Midland, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| Who knew a good movie would make money? Wow studios need to now learn stop putting out shit and people will go see your movie. Their also watering down their own market by putting out so many movies so forking fast.
It costs far to much to go to a movie now $8 for the tickets plus the gas it costs to get to the damn place. Also factor in if you have kids you know they will want pop-corn and a soda to go with that.
I loved this movie I wanted to also see Superman but I think movies cost to much and they come to DVD so fast I will see only the ones that need to be seen on the big screen like pirates or Lord of the Rings type movies.
Stop bring shit out so forking fast and I may go to the movies more.
Also they will still say yeah it made 300 mill but if it were not for the damn dirty pirates it would have made 400 mill or more. I got bad news them download people were never going to the movie. They never plan to go see a movie they download. | |
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| brofurious
join:2006-06-01
Phoenixville, PA
| Re: Who knew a good movie would make money? Someone above said movies like Pirates and LOTR deserves to be seen on the big screen, but movies like Superman is okay on DVD. Why is Superman getting such a bad rep from the public today? It was a great movie, and the reviews were better than Pirates. | |
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TOPDAWG
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join:2005-04-27
Midland, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| Re: Who knew a good movie would make money? One Superman has to much human drama. I find that boring. I go to the movies for the big picture and sound. I want booms and all types of crap. Also battles with army's are cool on the big screen cause you get more of a scale that way.
I don't care to go see superman and watch people talk about an hour or however how much talking parts it has in it.
The idea that Lois Lane has a kid is ass retarded too. I don't feel like watching superman and Lois Lane cry about how they may still love each other for 40 damn mins.
Superman should just say hey baby let me show you why they call me the man of steel. Now after their done Lois Lane can say well I see why your the man of steel and now I see why they say your faster then s spending bullet. Now that is human drama folks. Then superman can pimp smack her ass to the moon for such an insult. | |
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KrazyDawg
join:2001-02-07
Vallejo, CA
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| Another reason... There's also the prices of bigger screen TVs becoming more affordable. More and more people are upgrading to big HDTVs. There's countless people selling their TVs on craigslist due to an upgrade. With netflix and similar services around, some people would rather wait for the movie to come out on DVD and watch it at home on a big TV with a nice surround sound system. The money people spend on a movie ticket, drinks, and popcorn every month could make a small payment on a bigger TV. Either that or join the credit card revolution and carry an average debt of $25,000 like everyone else.  | |
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SSX4life
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join:2004-02-13 | yyyaaarrrr!!! I've been swashbuckled! Too bad, so sad for the MPAA go cry me a F*ckin river you jerkfaces! You're just as bad as the pirates! | |
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Smoove910
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join:2005-08-01
Nampa, ID | Re: I Rent and burn... rent and burn... Did I mention rent and burn??? hmmm, must be onto something here.. | |
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short09
join:2006-07-21 | ....... i always dl movies from the net
these actors dont need $1 of my money | |
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NoOneButMe
join:2001-08-24
TX
·Verizon FIOS
| Shows Ya Good Movies Make Money No Matter What To man movies coming out that are 8+ $ for tickets and none of them are worth it only a few movies are worth it and this is one of them but hell Pirates are stelling some one better go after them thay might make johny depp lose his big house are his boat are mabe even his jet ohh no there so broke lol | |
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jebba2005
join:2005-01-13
Portland, ME
·Great Works Internet
·RoadRunner Cable
| hooray im happy for them. it made more then it cost to make. In my humble opinion the first was better. Even though it has been dloaded a gabillion times they are still making money since the consensus is that it is a good movie, and people will pay to goto the theme rides, buy the lunchbox, etc. | |
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paulsysp
Sunny
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join:2002-02-03 | Download them all!!! Download the movies! they make enough money from everyone else!! | |
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BUYyyyyy
@comcast.net
| i would pay 25,00 to 30.00 i would pay 25.00 to 30.00 dollars to see first run movies when they first come out , i hate crowds and have steel rods on my spine so i can't sit in movie seats no longer then 30 min's without feeling pain and can't enjoy the movie.. i don't download movies but have been tempted ,but i don't need no extra problems from some assholes who want to sue me for doing so, so i don't, but
TO cut out iilegal downloads put first runs up for sale to download i bet most downloaders would pay the price rather then be all tense and worried about being sued or who watching there ip address , i bet they would pay the 25.00 to 30 just to have that peace of mind and still feel like you doing no wrong and the movie companies get there money...
so what the movies houses box office won't get as many people coming out who cares fuck them there snacks are too high anyway.. the bastards - lol, besides people will always come out to the movies cause the fuckers like that big screen and like being out around crowds and standing in lines , lol | |
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| critofur
join:2003-01-15
Columbus, OH
| Re: i would pay 25,00 to 30.00 For downloading then burning to DVD a new release I would pay $10 for a good movie, and $5 for an OK movie, I think those are fair prices.
The fact that movies and music are monopolies and they just don't seem to care what their customers think is a fair price is a problem. The answer to that problem seems to be illegal downloading. Fix the problem and the downloading will (mostly) stop. | |
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Rob A
Same Old Jets
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join:2005-01-17
Pompton Plains, NJ | No surprise It's p2p, popular new movies will always leak on to them and be downloaded. | |
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