 | | Is FiOS an ISP? Best way to game this is stop offering low cost/lower end products (Charter) or change your name and get your total offering ignored (even though you steer people there when it is not available - FiOS) | |
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| Re: Is FiOS an ISP? Exactly, Speedtest.net themselves show "Verizon" averaging only 5Mbps.
»www.netindex.com/download/2,1/United-States/
According to REAL speedtest.net results of "average" users
1. Optimum Online
2. Charter
3. Comcast
4. Cox
5. Cable One
6. Mediacom
7. Roadrunner
8. Insight
9. Suddenstink
10. AT&T U-Verse
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15. Verizon Internet
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19. AT&T Internet Services | |
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| | | | Re: Is FiOS an ISP? Wait, your list just broke out at&t U-Verse (10) from at&t Internet Services (19), but you're complaining about FiOS being broken out from Verizon Internet? Shouldn't Verizon FiOS be on
the list at #1 and then also at #15?
8-)
What about all the other fiber places, like the services offered in Lafayette, Cincinnati, Chattanooga, Utah, et cetera? Are they not large enough? | |
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| | | skeechanAi OtsukaholicPremium
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kudos:2 | Re: Is FiOS an ISP? It's not "my" list. I don't know what OOKLA considers a major ISP. | |
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| |  LLStarksBetter Than YouPremium
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| Do you have any idea how FiOS and other fiber optic services work?
There is no slowdown.
DSL is dragging down the score since those customers can barely hit 5 or 7Mbps unless they live right next to the CO.
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| | | skeechanAi OtsukaholicPremium
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| Re: Is FiOS an ISP? Doesn't matter as these speed tests are off network. We aren't testing connection speed only within last mile. And DSL is more like barely hitting 600kbps-1200kbps unless they live next to an RT or the CO. Welcome to Verizon.
Meanwhile the OOKLA (Speedtest.net) test results are what they are and are mirrored by DSLReports own smaller sample. Verizon's average is just over 5Mb and while they have faster tiers, so does everyone else.
Low end tiers from EVERY provider bring down their own averages. I have 50Mb service but the samples from budget tiers bring down the average. | |
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| | | | | said by LLStarks:Do you have any idea how FiOS and other fiber optic services work?
There is no slowdown.
Pon netowrks are shared bandwidth similar to cable, unlike dsl. Active networks behave more like dsl with a dedicated circuit, but they are few and far between. | |
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| | | | I believe "Verizon Internet" is considered to be DSL. At least that what VZ says.
On both counts VZ is an ISP. | |
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| | | The graphs are completely worthless in my opinion. Notice FiOS is listed under some as well as Verizon Internet Services. What's the difference? Clearly Verizon Internet Services includes FiOS, because their DSL is not near that fast. And in the NorthWest region, Frontier is rated at 4.9mbps upload? I have a very hard time believing their small amount of fiber connections can offset their DSL connection by that much. Certainly not real world results. | |
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| | iansltx
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kudos:2 | Re: Is FiOS an ISP? If you've got 35/35, that can offset a LOT of low-speed results. | |
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| | | skeechanAi OtsukaholicPremium
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kudos:2 | Re: Is FiOS an ISP? Not really, Verizon as a whole is averaging about 5Mb. | |
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| Re: Is FiOS an ISP? As of last quarter, Verizon has 4 Million DSL connections, and 4.5 Million FiOS customers. Virtually ALL of FiOS internet is provisioned at a minimum of 15Mbps (real world 20Mbps) for the slowest subscribers. These days most are getting 35/35, or 50/35 !!
To get your proclaimed average of 5Mpbs, All DSL would have to be clocking at about DIALUP speeds.
Your netindex reference, and your opinion, is completely SKEWED . | |
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| Re: Is FiOS an ISP? It's not MY proclaimed average, it's the ACTUAL average from the OOKLA speedtest.net data, 3.8 billion tests so far, the largest sampling available.
»www.netindex.com/download/2,1/United-States/
You can wish Verizon faster than a 5Mb average, but alas, it isn't.
DSLReport's own results based on much smaller samplings mirror those of OOKLA's titanic sampling.
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| Re: Is FiOS an ISP? Did you read the article? They have compiled data from people that use speedtest.net !! I just ran it, its OOKLA !! On my speedtest result, it lists the ISP separate as VERIZON FIOS. Those results are either 10 years old, or they ommitted Verizon FiOS as an ISP entirely.  | |
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1 edit | Re: Is FiOS an ISP? "FiOS" isn't an ISP. Verizon is the ISP and you don't get to cherry pick your markets and tiers. Those stats are the current ongoing results from speedtest.net, aka OOKLA.
You can ignore reality all you want...Verizon averages 5Mb whether you like it or not. It's easy to manipulate your rankings when you ignore your lower end services. | |
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Is FiOS an ISP? Ok, youre right. Now that I understand your logic, I now realize that there is no such thing as Lexus, only Toyota's. | |
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2 edits | Re: Is FiOS an ISP? Exactly. When you are talking about who sells the most cars you don't distinguish between brands within a nameplate...its' Toyota vs GM, not Lexus, vs Scion, vs Toyota, vs Chevrolet, vs Cadillac, vs GMC. Nice you see you are finally getting it.
And when you want to find what the world's fastest car is, you don't plop a radar gun on the side of the road and figure that because you happen to see a few baggy pant dweebs speeding in a lowered Civic assume that Honda makes the fastest cars.
No, if you want to know what the fastest car is, you break out the biggest baddest individual models and see what is fastest and in that race, FiOS loses to Comcast and in the overall make, Verizon loses, well, to just about everyone.
Netindex is the results compilation for all of Speedtest.net. If you don't want to believe Speedtest.net, then the PC Mag results are irrelevant...because they used Speedtest.net, just with manipulated data. | |
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Is FiOS an ISP? Differentiating FIOS from DSL is manipulating data, interesting.
FiOS loses to Comcast? Hillarious. | |
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4 edits | Re: Is FiOS an ISP? Yeah, ignoring an ISPs bottom tiers to boost the average is manipulating the data. VZ's true average is 5Mb.
As far as speed, Comcast is the fastest major residential ISP, period. Comcast offers a 305Mb service, VZ's top tier is 300Mb. VZ loses. Whether or not people buy a Veyron is irrelevant, it's still the fastest production car. Whether or not people choose to buy the $300 Comcast tier is irrelevant, Comcast is the fastest. It's also irrelevant that the 305Mb tier Comcast is only available in certain areas of their footprint, just as FiOS is only available in certain areas of Verizon's footprint.
You might not like it, but that is reality. | |
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| | EL CHEAPOS Uverse did not even make the top 15 !? Wow. Thank goodness AT&T went the cheap FTTN route eh?. Verizon FiOS passes half as many homes and has more fiber subscribers than Uverse. Dummies. | |
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| | | Re: EL CHEAPOS said by ITALIAN926:Uverse did not even make the top 15 !? Wow. Thank goodness AT&T went the cheap FTTN route eh?. Yeah, good job, SBC, eh? Way to take what once was the premier TelCom in the entire world and turn it into a backwater level company.
said by ITALIAN926: Verizon FiOS passes half as many homes and has more fiber subscribers than Uverse. Dummies.
Their investors like them. That's all they care about, these days. | |
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| | | | Re: EL CHEAPOS I think you're correct. God, I just wish we could get past the $$$$$ issues and do things that are right for humanity and that better people as a whole. We need to be thinking about the long term future of our species too. | |
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| | | I feel sorry for the people in Silicon Valley that are stuck on uVerse.
If any place in this country should have FIOS, it's the San Jose area. | |
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Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: EL CHEAPOS They will probably eventually have Sonic FTTH...and they do have Comcast D3. | |
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| said by Telco:I feel sorry for the people in Silicon Valley that are stuck on uVerse.
If any place in this country should have FIOS, it's the San Jose area.
The only possible places in the south S.F. Bay Area where FiOS could be deployed are Monte Sereno and Los Gatos. They are the only towns within spitting distance of San José covered by Verizon. Everything else telco hereabouts is AT&T; which doesn't offer FiOS anywhere in the world.
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| skeechanAi OtsukaholicPremium
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1 edit | Re: Don't like these stats. Exactly, it isn't who is the fast ISP, it is what people are buying and who follow the PC Mag link.
Speedtest.net's ACTUAL results are quite different. | |
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| Re: Don't like these stats. said by iansltx:Well then, apparently Brighthouse's fast tier is too expensive for most folks, compared to the other tiers they offer.
Charter, on the other hand, offers a reasonably-priced 30/4 tier, so people buy it because it's the cheapest advertised tier and they don't want slow old DSL.
This has nothing to do with basing stats for the fastest isp on what people want to pay for. If people only want to pay for 10/1 and their capable of providing 100/100 in their entire footprint the speed in this stat comparison would be 10/1 and that doesn't make sense.
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kudos:2 | Re: Don't like these stats. I can get 100/100 here. For a few thousand per month. That doesn't make sense either. | |
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| | | | | | Re: Don't like these stats. So that wasn't a good example. But I can and do get 40/5 for $79 a month so that still doesn't mean that this set of statistics shouldn't be called "The most speed people are willing their isp's for." Not the fastest isp's. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
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·Comcast
| Re: Don't like these stats. Unfortunately, Ookla doesn't get terribly specific when it comes to sectioning out the highest-speed users on a given ISP, in a given area. Probably because the sample size would be very small at that point, judging from some speed test data dumps I've seen from them (I bought one awhile back...pretty expensive, but insightful). | |
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| | | | said by iansltx:Well then, apparently Brighthouse's fast tier is too expensive for most folks, compared to the other tiers they offer.
Charter, on the other hand, offers a reasonably-priced 30/4 tier, so people buy it because it's the cheapest advertised tier and they don't want slow old DSL.
People buy the 30/4 plan because it's the ONLY slow plan they offer, whether you want to pay that much of not!!
Charter has 2 plans. 30/4 and 100/5.
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|  CheesePremium
join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
kudos:1 | Re: FIOS Time to upgrade yo!  | |
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| | | | Re: FIOS I am waiting for the 300Mbps tier to drop down to $99 a month. | |
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| | | CheesePremium
join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
kudos:1 | Re: FIOS said by brianiscool:I am waiting for the 300Mbps tier to drop down to $99 a month.
I would get that in a heartbeat if I could  | |
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| | | | | | Re: FIOS said by Cheese:said by brianiscool:I am waiting for the 300Mbps tier to drop down to $99 a month.
I would get that in a heartbeat if I could said by brianiscool:I am waiting for the 300Mbps tier to drop down to $99 a month.
300Mbps is absolutely ridiculous since next to no servers run that fast. Glad to see you like just giving your money away!!
I guess, if you have 80 people connected to your network and they were all online at the same time, it MIGHT be beneficial, although still stupid to pay that much, IMO!! 
Charter is probably only ranked where they are due to those lame brains only offering 2 tiers now, so it doesn't LOOK like they are that slow. Never had an issue with my Charter connection, but if anyone else ran a business like they, they'd be in the same boat as Charter has been in the past by filing bankruptcy.
Wonder how much Charter paid PCMag to run that story?
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| | | | Maybe I need to make some changes, too! I really have had frustrations with my internet provider. I will have to see if Verizon is available in our area since I spend most of my time on the internet. | |
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| | .. These speed results are largely useless considering people are only gonna get what they pay for. Power/speed boost also inflates the results considerably. | |
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| Re: Optimum Online Verizon FIOS is the fastest residential OVERALL service. Stop with the BS. Verizon FiOS has 4.5 million internet customers, how many Cablevision internet connections are there?
Cablevision primarily competes with FiOS, NOT the rural DSL customers youre trying to input into your argument. | |
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| | | skeechanAi OtsukaholicPremium
join:2012-01-26
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kudos:2 | Re: Optimum Online LOL sure...standing on one leg, tides high, planets aligned, Verizon on this side of the street is faster...
Sure, let's just ignore everyone's bottom tier service...by that measure Comcast with their 305Mb service is the fastest major ISP. | |
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| | | | | | Re: Optimum Online Your argument is completely ridiculous. Even Cablevision has stopped airing commercials gloating how theyre "faster than Verizons High Speed Internet ( DSL ) " , when they compete with FIOS. Time for you to jump on board as well. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Optimum Online Oh yeah, don't let facts get in the way of a good yarn. | |
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kudos:2 | This is a joke This is like ranking the world's fastest car brand based on putting a radar gun on the side of the road. | |
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|  MSaukMSaukPremium
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join:2001-06-05
Hilo, HI
kudos:4 | Hawaii left out AGAIN They left out Hawaii and Alaska AGAIN. So, how can they claim they are ranking the fastest ISPs? They are NOT doing that. It is all shibai and certainly not relevant to me yet I am a USA citizen living in a state of the USA. Evidently, Hawaii and Alaska should never have been granted statehood since we are seldom treated as if we are states.
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 ·ooma
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| who's got the cheapest 50mbit tier? I think the award goes to Cablevision / Optimum Online @ $44.90 for the first year.. I can't find anyone cheaper at the 50mbit tier.
Just wait until 2013 rolls around, Google will wipe ALL the isps off the map with their 1 gigabit speedtests... an utter embarassment to the nation's ISPs.. and for $70 monthly too..
Then I can expect 100mbits around the same price... next year.. (maybe $65 off promotion) ? | |
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| | | Re: who's got the cheapest 50mbit tier? I know GF is great and all, but we're talking about deployment in one city in the US. | |
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| Wipe who off the map deploying to 1 city ? Verizon can easily upgrade to a new PON and gloat once again, dont fret. The big difference between Google FTTP and Verizon FTTP is that VZ will still be in the internet business 10 years from now. Googles project is simply a doomed experiment. Unless Google wants to fudge their numbers, their quarterly earnings in respect to their "wireline" division will be a joke, and an embarrassment. | |
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·Verizon FiOS
| Re: who's got the cheapest 50mbit tier? said by ITALIAN926:Wipe who off the map deploying to 1 city ? Verizon can easily upgrade to a new PON and gloat once again, dont fret. The big difference between Google FTTP and Verizon FTTP is that VZ will still be in the internet business 10 years from now. Googles project is simply a doomed experiment. Unless Google wants to fudge their numbers, their quarterly earnings in respect to their "wireline" division will be a joke, and an embarrassment.
We'll see which company will be a joke in 10 years.. when you boil down all the wasted millions Verizon will churn through in wireless just to please share holders in the short term and forcing long-term pain on the company including the jettisoning of the union labor force when the contract expires will throw the company into a chaos & market share somewhere between Sprint and MCI worldcom for a long time.
BTW, I'm not saying google will have more passable customers than Verizon, I mean google will have one of the very few FTTP services offering REAL RESIDENTIAL customers a SYMMETRICAL internet speed of 1 gigabit. I-- and google are not naive enough to think they can become a full-fledged ISP/telco/cableco and start flouting time tested incumbency (on a large scale) at this time... the country's not ready for that yet.. you have too many corrupt government people who like it just the way it is-- and that is to say VERY ANTI-CONSUMER, and ANTI-COMPETITIVE. To think that google is able to accomplish this at all is a damned miracle given the ancient prejudice to giving monopoly and/or duopoly protected status irrespective of how that company treats its customers. As far as profit for the service goes, The cost of backbone bandwidth will drop when google becomes a major buyer & provider of those services. When it finally leaks out how much ISPS are overcharging by it will be a scandal similar to that of the Compact Disc music prices of the 1990s. | |
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