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story category North Carolina Broadband Bill Shelved
For now -- State will study bill's impact in more detail...
(old news - 01:02PM Wednesday May 06 2009)
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A bill that would have seriously hampered local community fiber to the home deployments has been sent to a study committee, according to the Greensboro News & Record. The bill, which was heavily lobbied for (and likely co-written) by Time Warner Cable lobbyists, took specific aim at municipal broadband deployments in the State that offer symmetrical fiber at speeds up to 100Mbps. The bill probably won't see serious legislative action for at least a year, according to the News Record.

"This thing needs to be studied, it needs to be discussed," co-sponsor Ty Harrell tells the Record. Hansell, a North Carolina Democrat, has made it fairly clear through comments to the press that he wasn't fully versed in the technical specifics of his own bill, which would have banned North Carolina cities from taking advantage of broadband stimulus funds, while hog tying them with restrictions not imposed upon regional incumbents.

While that helps protect Time Warner Cable revenues, it doesn't do much for State residents, local businesses, local health care infrastructure, local government operations, or the large corporations that benefit from greater broadband penetration. Companies such as Google, Alcatel Lucent and Intel came out against the measure earlier this week, arguing it harmed both the private and public sectors.

According to Indyweek, lobbyists pushing the bill had opposed further study -- after a contentious and public debate of facts led to the failure of a similar bill back in 2007. Opposition to this latest bill was fueled in part by backlash to Time Warner Cable's metered billing attempt -- which helped galvanize already annoyed consumers into a public show of opposition at this morning's vote.

Update: It looks like this battle isn't quite finished yet, with Time Warner Cable lobbyists trying to speed through a companion Senate version of this bill Thursday morning...

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Concept

Read and understand the Bill you are putting forth before you try to pass it into law

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Re: Concept

my neighbor all wanted fiber replacing att or comcast internet...
good move?
cheaper telephone, tv and internet service for as low as 85.00 for 1mbps, 70 channels, and basic phone service.
upgrade to 5mbps is 95.00
not to mention most of us have 2 months free as a promotion to start using their service.
the only loser in our town are comcast and att lmao!
many of us who switched will not be going back unless of course someone is crazy enough to want to pay more and lower level of service.

battleop

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Re: Concept

"cheaper telephone, tv and internet service for as low as 85.00 for 1mbps, 70 channels, and basic phone service.
upgrade to 5mbps is 95.00"

That's really not that great of a deal. I think comcast throws out a 16Mb Basic Cable and one or two VoIP lines for $99 in an introductory offer here.

What happens when AT&T and Comcast come back with a price that undercuts your Muni price? Will you really be that loyal? Most people will not and will go back to the cheapest price. AT&T and Comcast have the resources and deep pockets to sustain a long price war that can wear down a muni project.

vzw emp

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said by battleop See Profile :

"cheaper telephone, tv and internet service for as low as 85.00 for 1mbps, 70 channels, and basic phone service.
upgrade to 5mbps is 95.00"

That's really not that great of a deal. I think comcast throws out a 16Mb Basic Cable and one or two VoIP lines for $99 in an introductory offer here.

What happens when AT&T and Comcast come back with a price that undercuts your Muni price? Will you really be that loyal? Most people will not and will go back to the cheapest price. AT&T and Comcast have the resources and deep pockets to sustain a long price war that can wear down a muni project.
It's called competition. I'm all for muni networks (if you can't get someone to build it for you then build it yourself) but they should be able to compete like anyone else.

Personally, as long as it's a good service with no BS (caps, throttling, etc...) I'd probably leave the telco/cableco permanently.

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said by vzw emp :

Personally, as long as it's a good service with no BS (caps, throttling, etc...) I'd probably leave the telco/cableco permanently.
Personally, I'd rather see municipalities own the infrastructure, and allow other services to connect to that infrastructure to provide services to residents.

I don't look forward to a city being an ISP and competing with other ISPs. I'd rather see the city own the infratructure in a way that a plethora of ISPs can compete without having to own their own (mostly superfluous) infrastructure.

I don't see a lot of people talking about that middle-ground. Maybe it's not technically possible?

Mark

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It needs to be killed and buried, not studied....

....Which to me sounds a lot like "Let's try again later after the heat cools down."

jadebangle
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good riddance to att,comcast,tw,cox

fiber is what we want
dsl,cable is yesterday's news...

many of us would switch asap even if it cost a little more for a lot faster connection and in most cases cost less and still faster by a mile.
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Who's Hansell?

quote:
"This thing needs to be studied, it needs to be discussed," co-sponsor Ty Harrell tells the Record. Hansell, a North Carolina Democrat, ...

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Re: Who's Hansell?

Gretel's brother?

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Read the bill act

Think it may be time to seriously consider passing a "Read the bills" act here. With representatives pushing ill-conceived legislation written by special interests it is imperative that the law be changed to force them to read and understand every word, punctuation, and potential consequences of said law before it gets anywhere near a vote.

It time for our elected officials to take ownership of their responsibilities and start doing the business of the people rather than just plain old business...

JMHO
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Funny Stuff

Governments all over this country are whining about a supposed lack of money which would require "massive cuts in vital services, like schools, police, fire fighters, etc." but there always seems to be money for things that are not so vital, like municipal broadband.

I hope this bill comes back with a vengeance and is extended to every possible instance in which government can compete with private business.
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said by pnh102 See Profile :

I hope this bill comes back with a vengeance and is extended to every possible instance in which government can compete with private business.
Water, sewer, trash service? Police and fire? City streets?

FDIC, SEC, food- and drug-quality?

Zoning laws and building codes?

This is where you'll come back with "you're confusing me with an anarchist." Using absolutist rhetoric ("every possible instance of competition") but unwilling to address how you don't apply that absolute standard to yourself.

Mark

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said by amigo_boy See Profile :

Water, sewer, trash service? Police and fire? City streets?

FDIC, SEC, food- and drug-quality?

Zoning laws and building codes?
There are certain services which government at any given level is tasked with providing. Municipal broadband doesn't rank up there at all. And you'll also notice that "unless the public goes along with massive tax hikes these services will be cut." Funny how you never hear of extraneous spending being offered up for cuts first.
said by amigo_boy See Profile :

... but unwilling to address how you don't apply that absolute standard to yourself.
How can I? I can't go to my employer and tell him "unless you give me a raise I will have to cut my hours down to 20 a week."
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said by pnh102 See Profile :

There are certain services which government at any given level is tasked with providing. Municipal broadband doesn't rank up there at all.
That's what some people said about water, fire, police, sewer, etc.

You have a tendency to accept all the social involvement in markets as "ordinary." But, anything new isn't. Ignoring that the things you consider to be ordinary weren't considered thus at some time in the past.

That's fine. It's typical democracy. (You're ok with ox-goring as long as it's not your ox being gored. You're ok with government involvement in water and sewer markets because you benefit, and you don't choose to compete in those spaces.).

I just think you discredit your own position when you use absolutist rhetoric, like how a law should prevent government from involving itself in any business. You don't really mean that. Like everyone else, you really mean the businesses you think government shouldn't be involved in. I.e., the ones you don't feel you'd benefit as much from.

There's no need to put on an air of righteousness when you're no different than everyone else.

Mark

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said by amigo_boy See Profile :

That's what some people said about water, fire, police, sewer, etc.
Regardless of what other people have said, it still cannot be said that municipal broadband ranks up there with such services.
said by amigo_boy See Profile :

(You're ok with ox-goring as long as it's not your ox being gored. You're ok with government involvement in water and sewer markets because you benefit, and you don't choose to compete in those spaces.).
And again, there are things government at a given should be doing. These are usually things that the free market is incapable of providing, but are needed anyway. Municipal broadband is not one of those things, and never will be.
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said by pnh102 See Profile :

said by amigo_boy See Profile :

That's what some people said about water, fire, police, sewer, etc.
Regardless of what other people have said, it still cannot be said that municipal broadband ranks up there with such services.
1889: Regardless of what people say, it still cannot be said municipal sewer ranks up there with such services.

1899: " " municipal water " ".

1909: " " municipal police " ".

1919: " " municipal animal " ".

1929: " " municipal zoning " ".

You're just the guy in 2009 that nobody will refer to in 2059 when someone like you says "all that other stuff is legitimate. But this! this is different."

The thing is: Most people can discuss whether a new technological development and resulting social challenge are good candidates for inclusion within the social umbrella without resorting to self-serving and false absolutist rhetoric.

That's what diminishes your position. Instead of saying why it's wrong, you couch your position from on high ("Harumph! I'm a true conservative! True conservatives don't support government involvement in business.... hey, there goes the street sweeper. I sure dig the street sweeper...").

Mark

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said by amigo_boy See Profile :

But this! this is different."
Because municipal broadband is indeed different. It does not provide any of the life-sustaining benefits that the other government services you mention provide.

No one is going to die young if they can't get on a municipal broadband network. We have numerous places all over the country in which people live long, productive lives but cannot get broadband. Ergo, it isn't a needed expense.
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vzw emp

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What's so wrong with municipal networks? As long as it doesn't use tax money (stick a bond issue on the ballot, if it passes good, if not then tough luck), is self-sustaining (makes enough money to pay for it's upkeep) and is needed by that particular municipality (in other words, if the area has been neglected by existing carriers) I don't see a problem.

I don't believe a muni network will work everywhere (larger cities, for example, are usually sufficiently served by existing carriers). But in places like Wilson, NC or Lafayette, LA there was a need that was clearly neglected by incumbent carriers. From what I hear those projects are supporting themselves without relying on tax revenues.

The answer will never be all government but it will never be all business either. At some point it comes down to some combination of the two. Eventually a business or industry will grow to the point where some level of government is necessary for it's own survival. This is similar to the checks and balances we (supposedly) have in our own government. We never cede absolute power or authority to any one entity.


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Re: Funny Stuff

said by vzw emp :

What's so wrong with municipal networks? As long as it doesn't use tax money (stick a bond issue on the ballot, if it passes good, if not then tough luck), is self-sustaining (makes enough money to pay for it's upkeep) and is needed by that particular municipality (in other words, if the area has been neglected by existing carriers) I don't see a problem.
It is a problem because there are next to no examples of "self sustaining municipal broadband." Almost every situation in which a government has decided to go down the broadband path has resulted in either tax money being used to subsidize the service or fees for other municipal services being raised to subsidize the service. Either way, it means there is less money going to other services that governments do indeed need to provide.

What if the same people voted to build a municipally funded stadium, even if schools were shoddy and crime was rampant due to a lack of police?

As for people simply voting to create an entitlement, it is always funny how there's never a question that asks how such a thing will be paid for.
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Phi_on_you

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I do not know you sir but to me you sound like just another mouth piece.

Fire, water, sewer, Police. All worth Programs. Necessary and Vital. Also ALL Money pits that must be funded year after year. its there nature and are a needed serve to the people. that's what our taxes pay for. all well and good yes.

Municipal broadband? a needed service? a necessity? Maybe not so much. A Revenue stream? YES. you see the City, town, State, Whatever builds it People subscribe to it, Said city, town, state makes a profit and said money goes back into the city, town, state coffers to be used for the people of that municipality.

Frankly i don't understand people like you. Short sighted Drones who will take any opportunity to lick the boots of entrenched power rather than make your own power. It's sad really.

Always remember to Follow the money First before you Speak. you'll Embarrass yourself less.
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said by pnh102 See Profile :

Governments all over this country are whining about a supposed lack of money which would require "massive cuts in vital services, like schools, police, fire fighters, etc." but there always seems to be money for things that are not so vital, like municipal broadband.

I hope this bill comes back with a vengeance and is extended to every possible instance in which government can compete with private business.
What a great idea. Maybe the money "saved" by not providing this service should be rather used in some anti trust lawsuits against the cable and telco monopolies that REFUSED to service the area to start with.

Sometimes the shilling posted on these forums is unbelievable.
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Re: Funny Stuff

That may work.

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Why don't private citizens who want this gather some like-minded investors and deploy this service on their own?
said by sturmvogel See Profile :

Sometimes the shilling posted on these forums is unbelievable.
The level of generosity with other peoples' money posted on these forums never ceases to amaze me.
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Re: Funny Stuff

said by pnh102 See Profile :

Why don't private citizens who want this gather some like-minded investors and deploy this service on their own?

Because that requires organization and time. Private citizens usually are occupied with day to day activities like WORK to make money to pay taxes and provide for their families.

So then companies that have dedicated staff do take advantage and PLAN activities that will be detrimental to those said citizens and that is why we have GOVERNMENT to watch out on behalf of those citizens.
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said by sturmvogel See Profile :

Because that requires organization and time. Private citizens usually are occupied with day to day activities like WORK to make money to pay taxes and provide for their families.
No kidding? Who knew that anything worth doing would be, you know, hard and stuff.

Just about every other private business out there had rocky and difficult starts.

said by sturmvogel See Profile :

So then companies that have dedicated staff do take advantage and PLAN activities that will be detrimental to those said citizens and that is why we have GOVERNMENT to watch out on behalf of those citizens.
Perhaps if government actually did what you claim, it would be a little more judicious about spending money, especially when there are claims (many of which I personally don't believe) that tax revenue is "down."
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Re: Funny Stuff

said by pnh102 See Profile :

said by sturmvogel See Profile :

Because that requires organization and time. Private citizens usually are occupied with day to day activities like WORK to make money to pay taxes and provide for their families.
No kidding? Who knew that anything worth doing would be, you know, hard and stuff.

Just about every other private business out there had rocky and difficult starts.

said by sturmvogel See Profile :

So then companies that have dedicated staff do take advantage and PLAN activities that will be detrimental to those said citizens and that is why we have GOVERNMENT to watch out on behalf of those citizens.
Perhaps if government actually did what you claim, it would be a little more judicious about spending money, especially when there are claims (many of which I personally don't believe) that tax revenue is "down."
The only way to fight corporatism is either by a socialist revolution or by anti trust action by the government. Socialist revolution is not what I would consider a good choice.
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said by sturmvogel See Profile :

The only way to fight corporatism is either by a socialist revolution or by anti trust action by the government. Socialist revolution is not what I would consider a good choice.
That is silly. At least with most private ventures, people still have the choice to not participate if they feel they are not getting a good value for the money.

If I don't like how my government does things, I can't withhold a tax payment on the condition that it changes how it does business.
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said by pnh102 See Profile :

said by sturmvogel See Profile :

The only way to fight corporatism is either by a socialist revolution or by anti trust action by the government. Socialist revolution is not what I would consider a good choice.
That is silly. At least with most private ventures, people still have the choice to not participate if they feel they are not getting a good value for the money.

If I don't like how my government does things, I can't withhold a tax payment on the condition that it changes how it does business.
Of course you can. You can move where there are no roads, mail, fire fighting service nor hospitals and probably very little taxes.
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said by sturmvogel See Profile :

Of course you can. You can move where there are no roads, mail, fire fighting service nor hospitals and probably very little taxes.
I could, except that people like you follow me. Such people constantly whine about the high taxes where they live, so they move to places with low taxes. Of course, they then complain about the lack of government services so they then vote for people who will provide such services and end up raising taxes.

Lather, rinse, repeat.
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said by pnh102 See Profile :

Why don't private citizens who want this gather some like-minded investors and deploy this service on their own?
Why don't you buy enough property to protect yourself from your neighbors' choices to dispose of their own property? Instead of relying upon zoning laws (public law limiting how individuals dispose of their private property) for you?

Mark

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said by amigo_boy See Profile :

Why don't you buy enough property to protect yourself from your neighbors' choices to dispose of their own property? Instead of relying upon zoning laws (public law limiting how individuals dispose of their private property) for you?
If this analogy really applied, you would be asking me to force my neighbors to give me the money I'd need to buy said property.

What you describe is indeed plausible. I could, theoretically, find money to buy out my neighbors if I so chose to do so, within the context of existing law and government. Of course the difference is that I would have to have the consent of all parties involved.

The government on the other hand could do the same thing without the input of the people.
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said by pnh102 See Profile :

If this analogy really applied, you would be asking me to force my neighbors to give me the money I'd need to buy said property.
No, I'd just ask to oppose zoning laws and building codes which are an example of groups of people pooling their political will together to impact the property interests of others (instead of pooling their money together to do what a "free market" requires: buying sufficient property to protect themselves from how their neighbors choose to dispose of their own private property.).

Same principle.

Mark

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said by amigo_boy See Profile :

No...
Uh, yes.

In order for your example to work, you will have to eliminate my free market option to buy out my neighbors if I was able to, and if they all consented.
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You seriously want the diminish competition and create higher prices for everyone? You can't be serious. If you are then you should seek some sort of help.

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said by UsoFUNNY :

You seriously want the diminish competition and create higher prices for everyone? You can't be serious. If you are then you should seek some sort of help.
Maybe you should read the article and understand the situation.
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said by UsoFUNNY :

You seriously want the diminish competition and create higher prices for everyone? You can't be serious. If you are then you should seek some sort of help.
And you want to raise taxes for everyone? At least if someone thinks that broadband is too expensive they can choose to not pay for it. There's nothing anyone can do if taxes get to be too high.
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said by pnh102 See Profile :

I hope this bill comes back with a vengeance and is extended to every possible instance in which government can compete with private business.
Every possible instance? OK, let's see here...

City water competes with bottled water.
Public transit competes with taxicabs.
Police compete with private security companies, especially on private property.
City garbage collection competes with private trash haulers.
Public schools compete with private schools.
State colleges and universities compete with private colleges and universities.
The USPS competes with UPS, FedEx, etc.
PBS and NPR compete with commercial broadcasters.
Public roads compete with toll roads.
Public hospitals compete with private hospitals.
State and county jails compete with those managed by private companies.

So I'm guessing you want all these things eliminated. After all, you said "every instance", so you can't pick and choose.

Oh, one more thing. The underlying protocols that make the Internet possible were developed with government funding. Without those protocols, we'd likely have online services that are walled gardens, with all their content provided and managed by the company running the service and with no way for subs to see anything outside that service, since each one would use its own protocols, all incompatible from the rest, just like we had with CompuServe, AOL, and Prodigy. And do you think a service owned and operated by a company like TWC would even allow the kind of discussion we're having here? Muni fiber? That term would be scrubbed from the boards as quickly as AOL removed any instance of the word "breast", even when it referred to breast cancer.

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Harrell Was In Over His Head

We were arguing with Rep. Harrell over on StoptheCap! yesterday into this morning. He was obviously in way over his head and looked for the usual way NC legislators dispense with their embarrassments -- dump it for "study" and pull it from consideration. That's a black hole most bills never emerge from.

What will happen next is TW and their lobby friends will look to someone else to reintroduce this mess next term. The only way you stop these things is to stay vigilant and informed and organize a reasonable pushback, which we all did over this issue.

We're still building our army for the inevitable return of the Time Warner metered nonsense, so stay informed so that the caps and tiers don't fall on you.

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Greenlight

On Taxes and this issue:

»www.greenlightnc.com/

"Will my taxes go up because this project is so expensive?
No. The funds for constructing the fiber network come from bonds issued by the City of Wilson. Tax revenues are not being used to fund this project in any way."

TWC is just mad because they can't compete with the City of Wilson, and the service they now provide to their citizens.
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Call to Action: SNEAK ATTACK ON NC CONSUMERS IN THE SENATE!

Every North Carolina resident needs to get on the phone immediately. Big cable is trying to pull a sneak attack by bringing the Senate companion bill to the Commerce Committee bright and early tomorrow morning after being shelved in the House.

More details and how to get involved: »stopthecap.com/2009/05/06/urgent···nsumers/
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socialism?

Think about the kids.... The kids.... *cries* The kids.... If you say yes to socialism you must truly hate kids. Socialism will kill the American "dream" of making it big.

All you corporate shills really need to give it up. Socialism is the best thing for any nation since, since, well since ever.

Canada is socialist, yeah we got a government in that is slowly trying to change that and its making things worse. That is why the polls are saying that they will lose the next election which will probably be this year. Take it from canuks who live in socialism. Its good for 95% of the American population. The other 5% have more money then they know what to do with anyway.

Any service that the government will offer, I say take it. It will be cheaper and better run.
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Unintended fallout

If Embarq loses the revenue from Wilson and other small towns who provide the revenue to fund basic phone service just outside the fiber footprints? They must provide service to everybody in their area of service. If this keeps up rural telephone prices will become sky high or you will be taxed to subsidize the service as the big cities do now. Many of the rural subscribers in Embarq's service area have a hard time paying their bill as cheap as POTS is these days.

TWC is another story cable is more fair game because they do not provide universal service.

If a town can do it why can private investors not make a profit doing the same thing. From what I read the bill did not stop the project it just kept government from subsidizing by sharing personal and other city resources that a private company would not be able to use. The bill just puts everybody on an equal footing. If the project should fail who will pay the bonds?
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Re: Unintended fallout

It's funny Google is sticking their nose in this. They got fortune in tax breaks for a server farm in Western NC. Why are they not putting up the funds for this project could it be they want a cheap ride on everybody dumb pipes.
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