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A tale of two rural Western Virginia towns...
(old news - 12:59PM Thursday Apr 23 2009)
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For years we've discussed how broadband may help struggling communities, but while broadband may improve the quality of life and draw industry to a region, it isn't some kind of economic panacea. The Washington Post drives this point home with an article that explores efforts to run fiber to two different rural communities in Virginia that resulted in very different outcomes. The Post seems almost surprised that the community with the higher percentage of high school graduates, higher median income, more people and better job placement programs saw better economic results from fiber to the home deployments.

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DarkLogix

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Baytown, TX

I wonder Why

The Post seems almost surprised that the community with the higher percentage of high school graduates and job placement programs saw better economic fortunes

why would the Post be surprised?

John Galt
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Re: I wonder Why

said by DarkLogix See Profile :

Why would the Post be surprised?
It's a figure of speech.
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baineschile
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This may not be because of internet access directly. Communities with more money that could afford healthcare and better education always did better than the poor communities; broadband has little to do with the equation.
patcat88

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Jamaica, NY

said by DarkLogix See Profile :

The Post seems almost surprised that the community with the higher percentage of high school graduates and job placement programs saw better economic fortunes

why would the Post be surprised?
Because its not politically correct or compatible with rugged individualism.
JSRoman
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I guess WashPO is hurting

I know times are tough in the newspaper business but talk about a piece with very little substance. What about the amount of people living in these areas?

Rose Hill-

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_Hill,···Virginia

The median income for a household in the CDP was $15,408, and the median income for a family was $15,833.

As of the census[2] of 2000, there were 714 people, 306 households, and 197 families residing in the CDP.

Lebanon-
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanon,_Virginia

The median income for a household in the town was $27,750, and the median income for a family was $35,750.

The population was 3,273 at the 2000 census.

I'm guessing if your family is making 15-16k a year, the last thing on your mind is internet service.
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DarkLogix

join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX

Re: I guess WashPO is hurting

Makes sence

but you never know what some people will use money on

jmn1207
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Reston, VA
Clearly, the solution is to drastically lower the standards in our education system to allow for everyone to have a university diploma. Problem solved.
patcat88

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Jamaica, NY

Re: I guess WashPO is hurting

said by jmn1207 See Profile :

Clearly, the solution is to drastically lower the standards in our education system to allow for everyone to have a university diploma. Problem solved.
And then 50% of new 5 and 6 figure jobs will be H1-B visas from India.

jmn1207
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Re: I guess WashPO is hurting

said by patcat88 See Profile :

said by jmn1207 See Profile :

Clearly, the solution is to drastically lower the standards in our education system to allow for everyone to have a university diploma. Problem solved.
And then 50% of new 5 and 6 figure jobs will be H1-B visas from India.
We could always just print gobs of money to create astronomical inflation rates, making the dollar so weak that it simply is not profitable to outsource any jobs. As a side benefit, with such high inflation, everyone will become a multimillionaire.
patcat88

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Jamaica, NY

Re: I guess WashPO is hurting

said by jmn1207 See Profile :

We could always just print gobs of money to create astronomical inflation rates, making the dollar so weak that it simply is not profitable to outsource any jobs. As a side benefit, with such high inflation, everyone will become a multimillionaire.
A cup of coffee at Starbucks will be $4 trillion dollars

slipknot01299

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broadband

if i had broadband when i was in school i bet i wouldnt have dropped out.
slipknot0129

join:2007-10-28
Wewoka, OK
i bet if i had broadband when i was in high school that i wouldnt have dropped out.

cdru
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Re: broadband

said by slipknot0129 See Profile :

i bet if i had broadband when i was in high school that i wouldnt have dropped out.
How does having or not having broadband affect you dropping out?
slipknot0129

join:2007-10-28
Wewoka, OK

Re: broadband

said by cdru See Profile :

said by slipknot0129 See Profile :

i bet if i had broadband when i was in high school that i wouldnt have dropped out.
How does having or not having broadband affect you dropping out?
probably alot.

cdru
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said by slipknot0129 See Profile :

probably alot.
I'll repeat my question. Maybe I typed too fast. How does having or not having broadband affect you dropping out?

Are you saying that you couldn't complete your education because you didn't have the educational resources to succeed? How have hundreds of millions of previous graduates succeed in prior years before broadband was common in many homes?

I graduated from high school in '97 and had a lowly 56k modem at home. Yet somehow I struggled my way through my education career. If I needed to find out information on something, I did what people have been doing for millenniums. I went to an old fashion library. Most towns have one in them, or at least in a neighboring town. Virtually every school has one too.

CylonRed
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Bloom County

Re: broadband

And you probably just found out why they dropped out - and broadband would not have helped in any way to keep them in school.

TKJunkMail
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said by slipknot0129 See Profile :

i bet if i had broadband when i was in high school that i wouldnt have dropped out.
I bet you are wrong.
lacklusterbb

join:2009-03-12

In reality, there's no one thing that can be an economic panacea, but whether the politicians want to admit it or not, adoption of the Internet within the general public is now broad enough for it to be considered a utility. (Yes, phone service and even electricity weren't considered utilities when first introduced, once the general public began adopting use of the new technologies and penetration reached a critical mass, they were classified utilities.) Failure to extend broadband into areas will ensure that they will die economically within the next few decades. US companies that want low-cost labor that doesn't have to be particularly skilled, just trainable, might look at smaller communities in the US, but if those communities don't have the Internet pipes to enable the companies to operate, evolve and grow, they won't move to those communities--they'll take their operations and jobs elsewhere, probably overseas to a developing economy. It's time for the general public to pressure the politicians to recognize that a robust and open Internet is critical to our overall economy; it's not just an entertainment vehicle but an essential economic tool for most businesses these days. As such, it's time for the national government to set recap policies and force net neutrality, if not nationalize the pipes. The entertainment industry and its subsidiaries have no business owning any of the pipes.

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It is not the companies who may want to move in to the area, but those that live in the area and may start a company that is going to make the difference.

I am willing to bet that are plenty of people living in rural areas that are wanting to start a business, but started it in a larger urban area because there is no broadband in the town they may have wanted to start it in.

Such things take many years. Just like the economy doesn't get fixed right away just because there's a new guy in charge, it doesn't mean businesses will boom just because there is broadband. And in the last 2 years it hasn't been very good for people wanting to start a business either.
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bolt
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Broadband availability may not be a panacea for economic woes in communities, but lack of broad can and will cause the companies that are there to move to an area where it is available. Several cities have either lost or been in danger of losing business when the incumbent internet service monopoly/duopoly there chose not to deploy broadband.

BF69

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Camden, TN

Re: Not a pancea..

said by bolt See Profile :

Broadband availability may not be a panacea for economic woes in communities, but lack of broad can and will cause the companies that are there to move to an area where it is available. Several cities have either lost or been in danger of losing business when the incumbent internet service monopoly/duopoly there chose not to deploy broadband.
Yep not to mention people who have houses in areas where broadband is not available will lose home value an have trouble selling them. broadband availability is already starting to become a factor in home buying. In 10 years years not having broadband available will be like trying to sell a house that doesn't have electricity available.

Robotics
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Re: Not a pancea..

said by BF69 See Profile :

Man, I agree on that one!
Core0000
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The only thing I can say to this article... It's how you as a person/business use your resources, your time, your tools.. etc.

For me, I love the internet/broadband (if you'd call the service in my area I am provided broadband?), and it really has provided me a wealth of knowledge. Heck I am even taking an online course (My third one technically), outside of my college course..Gawd the studying is driving me insane, but I digress..

Of course I know that the internet is for more than just porn and just general who's who popularity, general status quo type matters (although nothing wrong with it.. I'm just saying) and I live in a rural area... and the reason I bring up this comment.. is because of young people I have run into at college, who use the internet to look up.. er "Un constructive media/info"

If someone uses the inernet to get smarter, to learn somethin about buisiness, there going to fair better than someone who uses the internet to watch a squirrel get ran over by a lawnmower. It's a wise management of time.

Geez, this really is a black and white issue as far as clarity goes, and at the same time very complex.

It's simple in the sense of if you use a gift in a wise manner, you advance, if you use it in a stupid manner, you fail, or get no where.

There's a golden rule.. that I have just learned of and started to follow: "Results never lie" look at the results of these two cities and make your own judgment.
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