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join:2007-03-09
Columbia, PA | 3G in Lancaster, PA 3G just launched in my area late last month! YES! It isn't reflected on the coverage map yet, but it is in the listing of 3G cities on the main AT&T site. | |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | Huh? Why is this a problem? Does the new iPhone only work on 3G networks and not on EDGE, GPRS or plain vanilla GSM networks?
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gdm
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join:2001-06-15
Mchenry, IL
clubs: | Re: Huh? No the new iphone is both 3G and Edge. Karl is just making a statement that it's really no benefit if you aren't in a 3G area. | |
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join:2002-11-16
San Marcos, CA
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said by ptrowski  :said by gdm :No the new iphone is both 3G and Edge. Karl is just making a statement that it's really no benefit if you aren't in a 3G area. Exactly. I have 3g coverage at the office, but not at my house. Not a problem as I would use wifi at the house anyways. You mean if you have a cell phone that supports WiFi, you can use your phone through the Wifi network @ your house? even when there's zero bars for the cell at your house?
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ptrowski
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| Re: Huh? said by Dust_er :said by ptrowski :said by gdm :No the new iphone is both 3G and Edge. Karl is just making a statement that it's really no benefit if you aren't in a 3G area. Exactly. I have 3g coverage at the office, but not at my house. Not a problem as I would use wifi at the house anyways. You mean if you have a cell phone that supports WiFi, you can use your phone through the Wifi network @ your house? even when there's zero bars for the cell at your house? No, I was thinking wifi for the internet speeds. | |
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San Marcos, CA | Re: Huh? I see. Also do you think my previous statement is possible or exists? | |
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Count Zero
MD2Be
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Warner Robins, GA | Considering you can't get an EDGE data plan in those areas.... | |
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wifi4milez
In Need Of Garbage Pail Kids 1st Series
join:2004-08-07
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| Re: Huh? said by Count Zero :Considering you can't get an EDGE data plan in those areas.... Thats incorrect. Now that they have finally shut down their last few TDMA sites, you can get EDGE data anywhere in the country (that ATT services of course).
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MD2Be
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Warner Robins, GA | Re: Huh? No you can't sign up for the CHEAPER EDGE only data plan... that's what I meant. | |
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wifi4milez
In Need Of Garbage Pail Kids 1st Series
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY | Re: Huh? Thats not entirely true. If you have an older phone (even an older iphone) with the unlimited EDGE plan you can simply swap out your SIM. The real question is, why would you buy the new iphone if not to take advantage of 3g? | |
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MD2Be
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| Re: Huh? Has that been tested? Because iPhones are actually quite picky about what SIM is inside of them. Even swapping SIMs between my iPhone and my wife's iPhone (so we could keep our numbers but swap capacities) I had to re-activate both of them through iTunes... additinoally you'd have to buy one of the no-contract iPhone 3Gs for like $500-600 to do that because if you buy the iPhone 3G at the discounted price you need to sign a 2 year contract and upgrade to the new 3G data plan. | |
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wifi4milez
In Need Of Garbage Pail Kids 1st Series
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY | Re: Huh? I have never heard of anyone having issues swapping ATT sims between iphones. I would agree that you would need to buy one of the no contract iphones however, unless of course you found a used one available online. | |
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| Re: Huh? I'm not kidding, both of the phones had to be re-activated when I swapped the SIMs out. I was not expecting that, but at least I wasn't changed any bogus fees for doing so.
The cost of buying the out-of-contract iPhone to avoid having to pay for the 3G data plan would way more than offset the savings of the higher monthly charges... so really the point is you can't buy an iPhone tomorrow if you live in a non-3G area and not get boned. I just saw that where I live isn't 3G... and isn't even close to anywhere 3G either! I am GLAD I wasn't seriously considering upgrading tomorrow! | |
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| Re: Huh? said by Count Zero :I'm not kidding, both of the phones had to be re-activated when I swapped the SIMs out. I was not expecting that, but at least I wasn't changed any bogus fees for doing so. I have never experienced anything like that, and I have used US SIMs in phones all around the world (and the other way around as well). I supposed ATT could have put some strange software lock in their iphones, but this is the first I have heard of such a statement.
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wifi4milez
In Need Of Garbage Pail Kids 1st Series
join:2004-08-07
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| Re: Huh? said by SSidlov :If you were buying a iPhone or other 3G phone, the ATT people would have no problem giving you a 3G sim. I went from a EDGE phone to a 3G phone (I'm not smug enough and didn't have the $30 required data plan to qualify for a upgrade to an iPhone) and I had to change my old sim for a new one to get HSDPA speeds on the phone.. Though I have heard of people just going in to swap sims (and you need a 3G sim for HSDPA connectivity, I understand) the sim and the IMEI from the phone (whatever kind it is) have to be linked by ATT to give you service. Having used GSM phones for well over a decade, I have never heard of a different type of SIM being needed to access 3G. Its the radio in the phone that accesses the network, not the SIM. Now I have no experience with the iPhone personally, but unless they are using a revolutionary new technology a SIM is a SIM and will work in any phone (locked phones not being applicable of course).
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join:2001-11-10
San Diego, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
| said by Count Zero :Even swapping SIMs between my iPhone and my wife's iPhone (so we could keep our numbers but swap capacities) I had to re-activate both of them through iTunes... Slightly off topic...but this is unbelievable. To use a phone, you have "activate" it through a music software.
Instead of other non-Apple phones where you just buy the phone and slap your SIM right in. | |
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Why is this a problem? Does the new iPhone only work on 3G networks and not on EDGE, GPRS or plain vanilla GSM networks?
This is a problem because AT&T and Apple are trying to convince people to toss their old iPhone and buy the new "faster" iPhone in droves. For a large % of people this new phone won't give any significant improvement over their current phone(s) | |
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join:2004-06-21
Ashburn, VA | Re: Huh? The same can be said for most smart phones. Why call out the iPhone? And a bonus (for some) might be lower initial price on the new phone and longer battery life. Although personally I would rather pay more upfront and have a lower TCO. | |
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Ricky Smith
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join:2004-09-11
Winter Park, FL | Winter Park Now i live right outside of Orlando or well somewhat does this mean I have 3G coverage or not...
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join:2005-04-13
Denton, TX | Sketchy It's also Dropped Call City if you are mid-conversation and switch from 3G to another format. | |
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join:2004-06-12
Monroe, NC | Re: Sketchy Does GSM work that way?
I know all calls on CDMA are through 1xRTT and data's over EVDO. Or data goes over 1x if you lack EVDO coverage.
Just wanting to confirm, not challenge your knowledge. | |
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Randy
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join:2006-04-25
Springfield, IL
clubs: | Re: Sketchy No 3G is for both the call and data, and you can also do both data and call at the same time with no problems. | |
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join:2004-06-12
Monroe, NC | Re: Sketchy Ah okay, thanks for the clarification.
I do wish CDMA could do voice and data at the same time...
Rarely would I need the ability, but it'd be nice. | |
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ninjatutle
join:2006-01-02
San Ramon, CA | New iPhone means a lot of savings 
Even if these backwoods people can't get 3G, they still have a useful phone and that is competitive with other smartphone types. | |
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join:2001-12-09
Hot Springs, NC | Us "backwoods" people need 3G more than anyone else!
iPhone is pretty cool, but I think that I'll hang on to the Blackberry with Verizon's EVDO until the iPhone and AT&T's networks are a little more mature. | |
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join:2007-12-29
Creston, WV | Re: New iPhone means a lot of savings Actually need DSL or better satellite that can whoop Hughesnet ass. | |
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join:2004-06-28
Seattle, WA | Who says those people are backwoods? That's a bit condescending. | |
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join:2004-06-28
Seattle, WA | I also wanted to add that Burlington, Vermont and Des Moines, Iowa are significantly larger in population than San Ramon, California, where our resident "backwoods" stone thrower resides. And Bozeman is about the same size as San Ramon. | |
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join:2006-01-02
San Ramon, CA | Re: New iPhone means a lot of savings I never said there was anything wrong with being back woods. My town is in a large canyon, we're back water folks 'round here. But Chevron and 24 Hour Fitness did make it their HQ here. Improved the roads and what not. | |
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@shawcable.net | It's the porn stupid iPhone porn is one of the fastest growing internet trends. Just look at the types of idiots who will wait in line to be one of the first to own one of these overpriced gadgets.
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Smith6612
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join:2008-02-01
united state | NY 3G... AT&T does have 3G in my area, but I'm kind of on the borderline of it based on the map. If anything, there is a cell phone tower that I feed off of nearby me for Verizon Wireless that is fed by fiber optic, so AT&T might be using that tower as well. | |
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join:2002-05-28
Stow, OH | Re: NY 3G... Doubt it as Verizon used EV-DO CDMA for 3G and AT&T uses GSM, two completely incompatible technologies. | |
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join:2000-07-05
Greensboro, NC
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July 10th, @02:33PM
| said by Smith6612 :AT&T does have 3G in my area, but I'm kind of on the borderline of it based on the map. If anything, there is a cell phone tower that I feed off of nearby me for Verizon Wireless that is fed by fiber optic, so AT&T might be using that tower as well. Alot of towers are owned by independant companies and lease space to the cell providers... so yes, there's a decent chance that if Verizon is on that tower, AT&T could possibly be also. Easiest way is to have a friend over who has AT&T and see if his phone detects 3G coverage.
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join:2008-01-18
Columbus, OH | Pick one or the other everyone complained when the first version came out sans 3g and now that its out, everyone is mad that it has it. shrug. | |
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JSRoman
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Callahan, FL
| 3g coverage sucks. ATT doesn't plan on anyone using it while on the highway. If you go up I95 and start in Jacksonville, you won't hit another 3g area until Columbia,SC.
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dude34221
join:2002-06-13
Galena, OH | evdo in my area from verizon got evdo a while ago in my area. had cingular/att before and only got mad dropped calls | |
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join:2007-01-23
Huntington Station, NY | Dead zone Forget about the remote spots. Western Suffolk Long Island is a black hole for AT&T too! | |
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join:2006-10-19
Lindenhurst, NY | Re: Dead zone Thats a lie. I am here in huntington village right now and have 3g. Also home in lindenhurst i get 3g also. | |
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| Re: Dead zone AT&T's 3G map lies. I've had AT&T for many years and according to the map my area is all 3G. It's not. I have to go 3-5 miles in any direction to get 3G. Since it allows you to enter a street address and the map zooms to the street level it should be accurate to the street level.
I would look at the map see I'm in a 3G zone, purchase the iPhone, then go home only to realize I'm really not in a 3G zpne. It would cost me a 20% restocking fee to return the iPhone.... | |
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Huntington Station, NY | It's not a lie! The village gets a true four bars, but it drops off very quickly once you head about less than a half mile South. | |
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join:2005-10-18
Vail, AZ
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| "The Internet Can't Hide" I always joke to my wife about those wonderful AT&T commercials showing folks in remote parts of the world using their AT&T internet service because the Internet Can't Hide from AT&T. I joke about it when we go to the park (no service), when we eat at the Cheesecake Factory (no service), when I visit my son's apartment in West Covina (no service) or a handful of other locations. Sure, the internet can't hide from me if I'm in a swamp in a different country, it's because AT&T didn't build the network. | |
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join:2001-07-07
Bartow, FL
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| Re: "The Internet Can't Hide" It could be that the local jurisdiction won't let them build any new cell towers in those areas. I know I have read some about the city councils put a freeze on new construction until they have a town council meeting where everyone on the council or county board shows up with a cell phone in their pocket or clip complaining that "we don't want no new cell tower because it causes cancer". There are ways to disguise new towers. I have seen them as giant church crosses, giant bell towers and (in south Florida) as giant palm trees.
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join:2008-05-01 | Re: "The Internet Can't Hide" No new construction is needed to add 3G to an already Digital tower. | |
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| The map doesn't show all of the 3G deployed by AT&T That map doesn't show the 3G deployed by their Affiliate, Edge Wireless. Edge was recently bought out by and absorbed into AT&T, and Edge has 3G deployed here in Mendocino County in NW CA, as well as in Humboldt and Lake Counties, in addition they have it deployed in Southern Oregon and Southeastern Idaho. We also have EVDO from Verizon here, they deployed it earlier this year.
Edit-Edge served rural and smaller town markets and did an excellent job of bringing rural areas like mine high tech, towns like Ukiah (8 miles south of me) have 3G from AT&T (former Edge Wireless), and it's less than 20,000 in population, where towns of 100,000, like Redding (Northern Sacramento Valley) are still without it. | |
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at&t is the deathstar.
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| Re: 3g service is ok. I haven't seen anything faster than EDGE speeds when my phone has been connected to 3G. Very disappointing - and I've tried in many different areas around DC where I would expect coverage to be excellent. Sometimes I even think EDGE is faster. So yeah, more users upgrading for a network that doesn't deliver is going to generate a huge number of complaints. Maybe it'll even get the network fixed? | |
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Skeedatl
Ah, push it - push it real good
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join:2007-12-26
The Cloud | 3G also means little... ...without tethering. | |
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join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA
| Re: 3G also means little... But the iPhone has a "full" web browser- it even has the "feature" (or so Apple people keep telling me) of not having flash. Anything else you would want to do will be covered by the Web Apps, assuming Apple approves it. (Why would you want to do anything Apple disapproves of?) Why would you need anything else? | |
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Ah, push it - push it real good
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join:2007-12-26
The Cloud | Re: 3G also means little... I read that Apple is working with Adobe on a Flash-Lite for iPhone. | |
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join:2001-05-02
Goodyear, AZ | Hmm Let's unlock the sucker anyway. More fun to be had here. It sure is a lot easier to get that back cover off this time around...
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ncbill
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join:2007-01-23
Winston Salem, NC | For geographic coverage, pick Verizon AT&T's 3G coverage, on a geographic basis, is a joke compared to Verizon's.
And the iPhone still can't (officially) tether, no matter what you're willing to pay. | |
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join:2008-02-17
Eureka Springs, AR
| Re: For geographic coverage, pick Verizon You think its good now wait until they overlay Alltel's map on Verizon's map. AT&T is going to look like a chump.
I just hope they will incorporate the way Alltel does things. With Alltel we get unlimited tether data, Unlimited EV-DO card data that we can put in our routers too. I don't think I take advantage of the service. My average monthly data is under 20 GB from two devices. I would think everyone would want to see Verizon embrace the Alltel model to force their own cell providers to compete. Or at least come up with some fair data plans. Rogers can somehow now offer 6 GB data plan for $30 for Canada's iphone market, and the #1 and #2 American cell providers can't beat that for $60.
Too many people need to quit drinking the corporate cool-aid. They don't have your best interest at heart. They just want as much of our money for as little service as possible.
Is there really that much wrong with fair pricing in our capitalist market? It used to work just fine. | |
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