 amungus
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1 edit | nethear heh, net-hear... I hear my network going faster!
..sounds cool, catching up to wired speeds!
edit: fixed that one quick!
on another note, I wonder when (if ever) they'll settle on a new wireless standard.. seems there've been so many wireless "pre-n" routers out that by the time it's a standard, everyone will just laugh. then again, I suppose some will adopt it since it'll be an actual standard. | |
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amenite
The Soylent - It's People
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Ridgewood, NJ
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| Re: nethear said by amungus  :... seems there've been so many wireless "pre-n" routers out that by the time it's a standard, everyone will just laugh. ... They should just call them all "pre-z" and be done with it.
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belushi
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join:2000-11-08
Twinsburg, OH
| said by amungus :..sounds cool, catching up to wired speeds! Not really, wireless is still one big collision domain where as the wired switch offers you a separate collision domain per port. | |
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wilburyan
join:2002-08-01 | WHO CARES?!?!! Last time I checked most ISPs were offering speeds slowing than 802.11b
Most folks use wireless simply to share internet access between workstations... So this speed boost is really quite useless. | |
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| snrsuave
join:2001-03-31
Olivehurst, CA | Re: WHO CARES?!?!! I use my wireless network to sream movies and music to my big screen in the living room. The extra bandwidth would be very useful especially when playing DVD movies and HD content. | |
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JamesPC
join:2005-10-12
Orange, CA | Re: WHO CARES?!?!! 108mbit or 120...not that big of a difference...a big difference would be 11mbit to 120mbit...(120mbit is the actual speed of the new router) | |
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JakCrow
join:2001-12-06
Palo Alto, CA | Re: WHO CARES?!?!! Except the wirelessness that claims 108Mbps is more like 50. | |
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join:2001-04-04
Rochester, NY | that's exactly what I'm planning to do BUT I will not get this router, instead I will wait for finalized 802.11n and burn my d-link di624! | |
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Topmounter
Sent By Grocery Clerks
join:2001-02-20
Evergreen, CO | You might not care, but...
The extra speed is nice for people who move files between their computers and don't want to have their Internet access performance impacted. | |
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JakCrow
join:2001-12-06
Palo Alto, CA | You don't seem to understand what a LAN is and the need/want for more speed internally. | |
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twizlar
I dont think so.
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join:2003-12-24
Brantford, ON
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| who cares? The people that will really benefit from this are LARGE wireless networks. Where there are several hundred users on an access point at a time. This will dramatically increase the speeds available to the end user when in large WLAN environments.
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| v_lestat
The Blood Is The Life
join:2002-11-09
| Re: who cares? said by twizlar :The people that will really benefit from this are LARGE wireless networks. Where there are several hundred users on an access point at a time. This will dramatically increase the speeds available to the end user when in large WLAN environments. I guarentee you 150% that there is no end user regular joe piece of hardware out there right now that will handle "several hundred users" who are all on at the same time. your not going to buy anything wireless from netgear that will handle that many people.
It nt a bandwidth limitation its a hardware limitation.
They can claim it can handle such-n-such users but i sell this stuff for a living every day (not this whimpy netgear or linksys stuff) and i guarentee you that these pieces of hardware will puke out you get that many people.
thruput starts backing down on many devies when you start getting a dozen or more users let alone a hundred or more.
these are designed for in your home with 3-4 users and thats all.
plus i'd love to see how far they actually got away from the AP to get those speeds.
and don't start in on the WiMax stuff either. It's not even been ratified yet and is still in its first stages of "stage 1" finalization. Infact today they are doing their stage 1.
And here in the USA we are fighting with the FCC to get the GHZ bands finalized and we are running into issues.
Also make note that Intel has backed out of all wimax products that are NOT licensed bands meaning anything that you can go buy and hook up- without an FCC license,, intel has said they wont make the chipsets for them. So hows that for intel strong arming yet again!
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knightmb
Everybody Lies
join:2003-12-01
Franklin, TN
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| Re: who cares? said by v_lestat :said by twizlar :The people that will really benefit from this are LARGE wireless networks. Where there are several hundred users on an access point at a time. This will dramatically increase the speeds available to the end user when in large WLAN environments. I guarentee you 150% that there is no end user regular joe piece of hardware out there right now that will handle "several hundred users" who are all on at the same time. your not going to buy anything wireless from netgear that will handle that many people. It nt a bandwidth limitation its a hardware limitation. They can claim it can handle such-n-such users but i sell this stuff for a living every day (not this whimpy netgear or linksys stuff) and i guarentee you that these pieces of hardware will puke out you get that many people. thruput starts backing down on many devies when you start getting a dozen or more users let alone a hundred or more. these are designed for in your home with 3-4 users and thats all. plus i'd love to see how far they actually got away from the AP to get those speeds. and don't start in on the WiMax stuff either. It's not even been ratified yet and is still in its first stages of "stage 1" finalization. Infact today they are doing their stage 1. And here in the USA we are fighting with the FCC to get the GHZ bands finalized and we are running into issues. Also make note that Intel has backed out of all wimax products that are NOT licensed bands meaning anything that you can go buy and hook up- without an FCC license,, intel has said they wont make the chipsets for them. So hows that for intel strong arming yet again! I beg to differ, I setup a 100 user wireless network at an office using a run of the mill netgear 54 Mbps wireless router. It's a financial company that has very heavy network usage to file servers, printers, etc. It works just fine, no problems at all.
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twizlar
I dont think so.
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join:2003-12-24
Brantford, ON | Too bad i wasn't talking about consumer level products. I mean the technology itself will help out large wans in regards to users and bandwidth.
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JamesPC
join:2005-10-12
Orange, CA | your right | |
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nixen
Rockin' the Boxen
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join:2002-10-04
Alexandria, VA | Cool! Now, my un-protected WAP can be abused at greater ranges and greater speeds!
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join:2003-02-14
Los Angeles, CA | Re: Cool! and whos fault would that be, eh? secure your WAP and we wont have a problem. | |
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nixen
Rockin' the Boxen
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join:2002-10-04
Alexandria, VA
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| Re: Cool! said by Turbonuim :and whos fault would that be, eh? secure your WAP and we wont have a problem. If they shipped them in a "default secure" configuration in the first place, Joe Clueless Home-user wouldn't be such a wireless menace in the first place.
-tom
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join:2002-08-01 | Re: Cool! If they did that then "Joe Clueless" wouldn't be able to figure out how to get the damn thing going.
And it's not because it's hard... most of the time people just refuse to even try... like they are intimidated by it. | |
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nixen
Rockin' the Boxen
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Alexandria, VA
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| Re: Cool! said by wilburyan :If they did that then "Joe Clueless" wouldn't be able to figure out how to get the damn thing going. And it's not because it's hard... most of the time people just refuse to even try... like they are intimidated by it. Sometimes, it just makes sense that there be a certain level of knowledge required in "order to play". The home gear is so dead-simple to configure that, if people are too addled to figure it out, we really shouldn't be doing anything to make it easier for them to get on the net.
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JamesPC
join:2005-10-12
Orange, CA
| simplicity you wont sell anything with that mentality...in business its all about making the most money...for them to do that they must sell the largest amount of product they can...so when they leave the default setting the way they are now. Netgear eliminates a couple of things...one the user (buyer) is pleased because he plugged it in and it worked... user not calling customer help... and most importantly he is pleased with the simplicty of the product so he will decide to by another product.
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nixen
Rockin' the Boxen
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Alexandria, VA | Re: simplicity It's like the Energizer bunny: consumers (are allowed to) get dumber and dumber and dumber...
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JamesPC
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Orange, CA | your the guy that playes with the snake and asks why it bit you...Common Sense | |
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join:2005-10-28
Milton, FL
| They shipped it in "default open" configuration so that YOU can access it. Because if they shipped it in "default secure" configuration you wont be ale to access it. Most "Joe Clueless" are clueless that you need to authenticate to access it.  | |
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Kilted FAG
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| Re: Cool! Maybe if you would let people use the internet to look up the instructions on how to hook up the TV, they would not be forcing you to do all the wiring for them. Not sure what the page 5 reference was to. One could probably find some reading courses on that precious internet of yours...... | |
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nixen
Rockin' the Boxen
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| Re: Cool! said by Kilted FAG :
Maybe if you would let people use the internet to look up the instructions on how to hook up the TV, they would not be forcing you to do all the wiring for them. Not sure what the page 5 reference was to. One could probably find some reading courses on that precious internet of yours......
Wow...
•"hook up the TV" when the discussion concerned a WAP?
•"forcing you to do all the wiring for them"??? What the hell are you smoking?
•"page 5 reference" when what was said was "5 page instruction booklet".
Good reading comprehension skills there...
Besides, if someone can't read a small, simple instruction booklet that comes with a device (hence the reference to "5 page instruction booklet"), what makes you think that they would bother or be able to read something they found online? Given the number of questions I see in the tech forums that could have been answered by a very rudimentary search of Google (or other good search engine), it's rather evident that a lot of people can't or won't use search tools as a resource.
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BourneKilla
join:2005-04-12
| Depends on your needs.... Pros:
1. good for those who want true 100mbps speeds w/out wires.
2. Good for larger file transfers
3. Even greater speeds at distant ranges
4. Provides the best Security standard to date.
Cons:
1. No ability to limit wireless range (problem I have with all MIMO products)
2. Airgo's 802.11n has not been the official selection. This could be good or bad for Netgear pending on whos design is ratified.
3. Limited availability... most laptops have built in standard 802.11g cards. Anyone who buys a new laptop will probably stick with a standard G product.
I do know many people need wire speeds w/out the costs of running wires. This may become popular with some small businesses or people who only use wireless and transfer large files. | |
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