New FiOS Apartment Hardware Simply AdorableApartment installs get easier with bendable fiber and smaller ONTs 06:33PM Thursday Jul 30 2009 by Karl Bodetags: Fiber · business · bandwidth · networkingFor several reasons, Verizon had traditionally struggled with installing FiOS in apartment complexes and MDUs (multiple dwelling units) -- where a fifth of their customers live. Given that traditional fiber can't be bent without signal degradation, installs in and around apartment buildings and condos were proving somewhat annoying. Verizon, who just finished signing franchise agreements along the east coast including NYC, DC and Philly, was helped greatly by a recent development at Corning: bendable fiber. Dubbed Clearcurve, Corning's solution infuses the cladding that surrounds the fiber's narrow core with nanostructures. Those nanostructures act as light guardrails creating a 25 trillion bits per second cable that can be wound into tight loops without degrading connectivity (Corning's demo video is fairly cool). In addition to the new, bendable fiber, Verizon says they're using much small ONT (optical networking terminals) more suited to cramped spaces. Developed by Alcatel Lucent and Motorola, Verizon says the new, smaller hardware is now being deployed during FiOS installations in parts of the New York, Southern California and Tampa Bay markets. Vincent O'Byrne, Verizon's technology director at Verizon's product and technology development labs in Massachusetts, says Verizon had the units custom designed to their specifications (as we noted in '07). "By running fiber from the point of entry to the new, smaller ONTs, installers can make fewer runs of coaxial and computer cables," says O'Byrne. "As a result, the whole installation experience will be cleaner and simpler for the customers." Combined with bendable fiber, that means the installs should be faster too. Combined with MDU density that should provide a speedy subscriber boost, something that should please investors who've ceaselessly whined about FiOS's slow return on the company's $23 billion investment. According to Verizon, the Alcatel-Lucent I-21 1M-K indoor ONT measures just 1-1/4 inches high, 8-1/2 inches wide and 5-1/2 inches deep. The Motorola ONT 1000 GTI indoor ONT is only slightly larger. Once you've moved past the fairly annoying fake-news PR involved in this video, the company offers a few glimpses of the new devices being installed. From our understanding, both units feature 2 POTS (plain old telephone service) ports, one Ethernet port, 1 MoCA port (coax networking) and 1 RF video port. If any FiOS customers have experience with the new, itsy-bitsy hardware, please drop your thoughts (and pics) in our comment section below. Related:- Fiber Gear Gets Smaller, Cheaper
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  PoCkEt I Switched Back To Windows
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·Comcast
| What's Next? With all this new technology coming out every 2 hours, future people who want to work in the telecommunications field won't have anything to do. It'll all be done! Well, that's unless qwest finally decides to get help on their technology in the future, then they'll really have some work on their hands, but that's not for awhile. Good ol' Qwest! gotta love em | |
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| Re: What's Next? said by PoCkEt :With all this new technology coming out every 2 hours, future people who want to work in the telecommunications field won't have anything to do. It'll all be done! Well, that's unless qwest finally decides to get help on their technology in the future, then they'll really have some work on their hands, but that's not for awhile. Good ol' Qwest! gotta love em Basically, what it means is by the time Qwest, or whoever owns the southwest footprint and asorted internet black holes west of the Arkansas pasture Bill Clinton was hatched from-- The new (post bankruptcy) owners will first be funding FTTP deployments while the rest of the industry is just about done paying those investment dollars off.
The consumer is going to be sacked with higher internet bills as many cable companies tend not to renew low introductorary offers, especially for dual play services. So, you might as well switch to the competition for a while until they get their act together (6 months ought to do it) and offer you a good deal while they sweat with customer reaquisition(churn) costs for being stubborn in the first place. | |
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| Re: What's Next? said by cameronsfx :Why do you think VZ is going FIOS? To get rid of workers in the field. Automation. Getting rid of the copper plant is the #1 priority of VZ to save on the human costs. According to the VZ techs I've talked to, it's the mid-level managers who were canned to produce the seed money for FiOS deployment. That, along revoking a number of retirement and benefit packages, placated the investors long enough to allow the initial FiOS installs to get underway.
The field techs were nervous, but hadn't been impacted in my market; at last hearing.
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| Re: What's Next? Cameronsfx is correct.
Possibly one of the biggest factors, if not the biggest factor in the justification of the HUGE deployment expense of fios is the eventual cutting of a LARGE percentage of the technicians/installers. These cuts will ramp up over quite a while......talking over the next 5, 10, 20 years.
2 things have to happen first before we see very large cuts..........first, the completion of fios buildout........then second, the dropping off of installations.....over time, after buildout is complete.
good chance there will be SEROIUS staff reduction by 2020..........maybe 50 %.....anybody hear and numbers like this ? | |
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join:2002-05-24 Sandy, UT 1 edit | Battery? Where's the battery? The older ONT's had a big spot for a battery, does this mean these apartment ONT's have no battery so if the power goes out so does the phone? If that's the case doesn't that directly impact 911 services? | |
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join:2009-06-29 Marietta, GA | Re: Battery? Batteries can fail too. | |
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| Re: Battery? Is that supposed to be a statement that because batteries can fail no battery is better than having a battery? Of course batteries can fail, but the probability of the battery failing at the same time the power fails is much less than the power failing. A battery is always better than no battery. | |
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| Re: Battery? Not trying to be a wiseass...
How often does your power fail? What's the likelihood you will NEED to make a call when the power is out? Possible? Yes. Likely? No. I feel safer depending on some type of cell phone than a battery.
What does one do when the wire or fiber to the building physically breaks? Possible? Yes. Likely? No. A battery is useless in this instance. | |
|  |  |  |  |   baineschile 2600 Premium join:2008-05-10 Sterling Heights, MI | Re: Battery? I think one would need to make a 911 call more often with the power out than the power on | |
|  |  |  |  |   sivran Long Live The Suite Premium join:2003-09-15 Arlington, TX clubs: | How remarkably short-sighted. | |
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join:2008-02-13 Hingham, MA | I think there is a separate battery backup unit. | |
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@sgns.net | The battery/charger unit is separate and basically doubles the size of the device. | |
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join:2009-06-29 Marietta, GA | That really is neat I'm sure it's pricey but wow... this is a revolutionary product. | |
|   SLD Premium join:2002-04-17 | What type of fiber is this? I mean, all of the fiber I use is completely bendable. Is this a much higher rate fiber than what we use for our gigE and fiber channel solutions? | |
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| Re: What type of fiber is this? said by SLD :I mean, all of the fiber I use is completely bendable. Is this a much higher rate fiber than what we use for our gigE and fiber channel solutions? I was just going to say.. ALL OF MY FIBER IS BENT!!! OMGWTFBBQ!!!
There is however a newer fiber out on the market that has a much tighter bend radius..Last I remember you could basically wrap it around a #2 pencil and it had no effect..
RealFlex RBRF has a bend radius of 7mm. Most use a rule of thumb that is 15 x diameter of the cable including outer sheathing. -- "The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so." - Ronald Reagan | |
|  |  |  |  |   SLD Premium join:2002-04-17 | Re: What type of fiber is this? Ahhh, OK. That makes sense. | |
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| 1 MoCA port AND 1 RF Video Port???? To Quote Karl,
"From our understanding, both units feature 2 POTS (plain old telephone service) ports, one Ethernet port, 1 MoCA port (coax networking) and 1 RF video port."
That would mean 2 separate coax connectors, if I am reading that right...
1 MoCA + 1 RF??
Most ONT's have 1 combined Video and MoCA port, with the exception of the older 610 and 611 Tellabs units not supporting MoCA.
Can anyone confirm this?
I remember several Verizon techs in the past saying that they couldn't build a smaller ONT than what they have already been using, but I figure they are eventually going to be the size of a few decks of playing cards(aside from the separate Battery Backup Unit).
Maybe even integrate the ONT into the Router, essentially bringing the new "Bendable Fiber" Directly To The Desktop.
They could of course shrink the size(and weight) of the BBU greatly if they transitioned to some sort of Lithium Ion/Lithium Polymer battery, that would be 1/10th the size of the current Lead Acid battery, plus it would give you 5 times the POTS backup time, and last more than 10 years before requiring replacement. -- ROCK 'TIL SUNSET | |
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@verizon.net | Re: 1 MoCA port AND 1 RF Video Port???? We have been installing these ONT for a couple months in Florida. They can only be used if there is absolutly no exterior wiring. They have the same outputs: 2 pots, 1 ethernet and 1RF including MoCa. | |
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join:2005-07-26 Santa Monica, CA | condo building in socal nobody ever even mention either of these new developments to us. we just got a just released Alcatel MDU. its pretty small but leverages the coax in the building and vdsl. | |
|   hayabusa3303 Over 200 mph Premium join:2005-06-29 clubs: | the pic reminds me of the new docsis 3.0 modem from motorola. | |
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join:2007-12-29 Creston, WV | Re: Clear curve wow that's crazy! | |
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1 edit | said by mrkevin :You gotta give it up to Corning. It's pretty cool stuff: (youtube clip) It's very cool stuff, but that video has been floating around for quite some time. I'd have to guess around least 7 or 8 months since I first saw it. Can anyone confirm this?
Also, does anyone know at what point (bend radius) a fiber cable is permanently damaged? Based on the video, all of the cables returned to providing full signal once the bend was removed. I realize that different cables have different specs, but any information would be helpful.
Thanks. | |
|   HD_Ride Premium join:2000-10-18 Trenton, NJ 1 edit | RE: New FiOS Apartment Hardware Simply Adorable nice... | |
|  |   N3OGH Bear patrol must be working like a charm Premium join:2003-11-11 Philly burbs | Re: RE: New FiOS Apartment Hardware Simply Adorable Yeah, but the outrageous deposit Verizon wants to set it up during a recession is a killer... -- Petty people are disproportionably corrupted by petty power
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@rr.com | clearcurve I have gotten call backs to repair stuff that i left in working order, the TV industry does not take care of there fiber. maybe this will help out. | |
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| WOW Very cool stuff. Nice to see actual breakthroughs in the fiber medium op top of that a demo of it in some real world testing. After seeing that a staple gun has little to no effect on the signal degradation I'm thinking it wouldn't be soon until new apt/condo complexes are fitting with fiber with cable or in better cases replacing cable meduim altogether, especially in FIOS served areas. | |
|   FastiBook
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·Verizon FIOS
| Um... So, how do i get this in my (single, detached) house? I'd much rather the ONT be inside where it's not only safer, but temperature swings are not 100 degrees over a year. You could re-use my old ONT somewhere else where people don't care where it is.
Plus, when there's an issue if it's 12 degrees and windy, or thunder-storming with pouring rain etc, i don't have to risk exposing myself to that..
I will be asking folks i know about FiOS in their buildings, and to send me photos for posting. One building in particular i have access to the utilities so i could take them myself if they ever get it installed.
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|  tmc8080
join:2004-04-24 Floral Park, NY
| pricy apartments, pricy fios I didn't know after getting taken to the cleaners for an apartment, there's alot of extra disposable income for FIOS.. A hovel now costs over $12k a year for 1br & a wide variety of quality differences between selections. FIOS? They'll grab you for $70 a month for standalone FIOS entry level and go up from there, and try to rope you into a 2 year contract.. what if your landlord doesn't give 2 year contracts? Doh! | |
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