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join:2005-04-18
Boca Raton, FL | Well Crap! Well now this would be why I don't receive any email anymore. lol | |
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MagMan
Life is simpler when you tell the truth.
Premium
join:2003-10-01
Westlake, OH | Re: Hmmmm Don't get me started this has bee nothing but headaches for me.Granted less spam at what price....... | |
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join:2005-04-18
Boca Raton, FL
| Re: Hmmmm said by MagMan  :Don't get me started this has bee nothing but headaches for me.Granted less spam at what price....... This has been a problem for me too. I use my att email for all my monitoring services for my servers, and I haven't been getting the status emails. | |
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expert007
join:2006-01-10
Buffalo, NY
| Email Munged? Not to stray off topic, but does anyone have weird issues with Verizon email? We were inserting a URL into our emails and when it would come thru Verizon's email, the URL was changed!! We didn't try AT&T, but virtually every other ISP left the URL untouched. Very frustrating! | |
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chas3
join:2004-12-03
Dallastown, PA
 ·ViaTalk
 ·Comcast
| same as Comcast As a comcast user, welcome to the club.
Nothing new for me. As a comcast user, I have spam filtering turned off, yet comcast does not allow some legit email in. Example, for the past few months, I cannot receive emails from redbox (rental and charge card confirmations.) And, comcast won't fix it. | |
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join:2007-01-11
Saint Joseph, MI
| Re: same as Comcast You are surprised that Comcast is blocking legitimate commerce from a video competitor?
LOL. Good one!
Next up: Netflix and Blockbuster.
As for this story, it's just the typically incompetent ISP services from the ATT Yahoos. Nothing new here, move along. | |
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manhole
join:2000-09-12
Modesto, CA
clubs: | Less Spam I was wondering why my spam folder was only getting about 5 or so messages per day for the last few days. Prior to that I was getting 50 - 100 per day. I kind of like it  | |
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Mega DETH
It's All About The Ping
join:2003-08-20
Watertown, WI | Re: Yahoo also dropping legit mail I really like not getting 60+ spam emails a day.
Been lucky so far I am not missing any emails (that I know of)
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Sortofadog
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
Chicago, IL
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| Re: Yahoo also dropping legit mail Well, you won't really know. Both of my main accounts and all but one of seven subaccounts were completely down over the weekend with the mysterious "unexpected server disconnect" error. No POP3 access at all, and webmail had nothing.
They've let the five year olds loose in the datacenter again. Just once I'd like to see them do something right the first time.  | |
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join:2002-10-28
Mcalester, OK | Re: Yahoo also dropping legit mail If the delivering mail server is configured correctly, the mail WILL go through.
Everyone in this forum can disagree, but it is only mis-configured mail servers being rejected - period! You can bet your life on it. | |
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join:2002-10-28
Mcalester, OK
| They are not grey listing anything. They are doing a DNS check and if the mail servers MX and/or A records are improper, they are rejecting the connection.
I think it is great. If we want to stop spam then we have to enforce the rules (RFC'S) setup for mail services. It is such a simple procedure to follow, no mail server should have trouble being compliant. They just have gotten away with it for so long but now mail servers are trying to clean up the Internet. So mail servers are going to have to be compliant. | |
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newview
Ex .. Ex .. Exactly
Premium
join:2001-10-01
Parsonsburg, MD
·Vonage
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March 25th, @05:34PM
| Re: Yahoo also dropping legit mailsaid by bjbrock :They are not grey listing anything. Bullshit. I have 6 domains hosted with HostGator who are at constant battle with Yahoo to have their email delivered. I think HostGator probably has a clue about running email servers. There's a huge thread about this issue in HostGator's support forums, which I don't think is available to the general public, only those who have domains hosted by them.
Greylisting does exactly that . . . "temporarily rejecting" any email from a sender it does not recognize. But for some reason . . . it appears Yahoo is permanently rejecting legitimate mail.
From Yahoo themselves . . .
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This is from the Yahoo site:
If your mail servers were experiencing persistent connection deferrals (with a 421 4.7.0 [TS0*] error code) when trying to deliver emails to Yahoo! Mail during the month of February 2008, please be assured that we have made recent and significant adjustments to our mail systems to address this issue. As a result, we believe that most of the deferral behavior is on the decline.
If you do continue to experience delivery problems, please review the Postmaster Help pages and report any continuing problems through our "Contact Us" forms.
Thank you for your understanding and patience during this time.
More . . .
»ymailupdates.com/blog/2008/03...···equests/
»www.clickz.com/showPage.html?page=3628827
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BTW - Yahoo says this is fixed, but it isn't.
It's still happening.
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Kyle
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH | i had that happen to me about a week ago when sending a yahoo member an email. | |
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Ex .. Ex .. Exactly
Premium
join:2001-10-01
Parsonsburg, MD
·Vonage
| Re: Yahoo also dropping legit mail said by hottboiinnc :i had that happen to me about a week ago when sending a yahoo member an email. . . . and the Yahoo recipients have absolutely no clue that their legitimate email was not delivered to their inbox.
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insomniac
Oh Yeah
Premium
join:2002-09-22
Naperville, IL
clubs: | Can they come and "fix" my company's servers, too? ...then I won't have anyone bugging me.  | |
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bjbrock
join:2002-10-28
Mcalester, OK
| Rejected E-mail from improperly configured servers! Like I stated in an earlier post, the only e-mails being rejected are from mail servers that do not follow the RFC's. They do not have the proper MX and/or A records setup. Anyone setting up a mail server has the responsibility to follow the rules. I'm all for the actions AT&T have taken to help stop spam.
When I implemented the DNS checking on my mail server it blocked 80% of the junk mail.
Mail admins need to do it right or don't do it at all! | |
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Sortofadog
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
Chicago, IL
·AT&T Midwest
| Re: Rejected E-mail from improperly configured servers! said by bjbrock :mail servers that do not follow the RFC's. They do not have the proper MX and/or A records setup You have verification of this? Because right now it looks more like a random crapshoot. | |
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join:2002-10-28
Mcalester, OK
| Re: Rejected E-mail from improperly configured servers! I run the same mail server yahoo runs - Zimbra. And I know how it behaves and know what happened when I implemented them DNS checks in my mail server. It shut down a lot of spam plus blocked mail that was coming through that was not spam, just from improperly configured servers. I guarantee you this is what is happening. | |
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join:2002-10-28
Mcalester, OK
| Re: Rejected E-mail from improperly configured servers! One of the most amazing facts was the number of large companies whose IT departments are obviously not up to the challenge of administering their mail servers. When a mail server answers the helo command and it is not what the MX record shows or may not even have an MX or A record, it is rejected. It is such an easy thing to get right and spelled out in the RFC's. | |
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Sortofadog
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
Chicago, IL | So you are just guessing based on a mistake you made. OK then.
Still waiting for evidence the datacenter is not being run by a bunch of drunken ferrets.
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join:2002-10-28
Mcalester, OK
| Re: Rejected E-mail from improperly configured servers! What mistake did I make? My server is doing what I told it to. Block anyone who doesn't know how to setup a mail server. That is just what AT&T and the rest of the legitimate mail servers are doing.
Only improperly configured servers are being blocked - period! | |
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join:2002-10-28
Mcalester, OK | Obviously you know nothing about setting up a mail server, or DNS or how a mail server even works! | |
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Sortofadog
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
Chicago, IL
·AT&T Midwest
| Re: Rejected E-mail from improperly configured servers! Well, if it makes you feel better to hurl insults, then go right ahead. I'm a big boy and I can take it. You just go ahead and play with your toys. Period!
I'm also an AT&T Yahoo! customer who has been putting up with this absurdity and I can assure you that a fairly good sample of emails being bounced are fully RFC compliant. I know enough about setting up a mail server, DNS and how it all works to know incompetence when I see it.
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join:2002-10-28
Mcalester, OK | Re: Rejected E-mail from improperly configured servers! You are simply wrong but if it makes you fell better to bas Yahoo, go ahead. I guarantee you the rejected mails are from non-compliant servers. | |
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Sortofadog
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
Chicago, IL | Re: Rejected E-mail from improperly configured servers! I am cashing in on that guarantee. AT&T officially admits they screwed up. What do I get for my trouble and missed billable hours tracking this little annoyance down?
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@swbell.net
| Eaten Mail I am also experiencing the problem. For those of you that have not noticed the loss of legitimate e-mail: you will have no way of knowing unless your friends or business acquaintances let you know. The problem has been significant for me because e-mail from banks, airlines and educational institutions have been blocked from getting to me. They need to take out the new filters. Getting a box full of spam is better for me than not getting one necessary e-mail. ATT has spent the last ten days trying to tell me I am crazy over and over again. I am glad to find out I am not alone. The next step is to fix it.  | |
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@snet.net
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@cox.net | No fan of ATT But I'll given them thumbs up for at least giving users the option to filter out spam.
No spam filter is perfect and ATT is apparently learning this the hard way. | |
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dcs2281
join:2004-09-14
Santa Clarita, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
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March 25th, @03:08PM
| The Improved Spam and Filter Doesn't Work Last night I made 4 reservations at the National Park Service.
Here is the results of their filters:
First Reservation Confirmation - Delivered to Spam inbox
Second Reservation Confirmation - Filtered, never received
Third Reservation Confirmation - Delivered to Inbox
Fourth Reservation Confirmation - Delivered to Spam inbox
They were all sent from the same smtp server and had the same addresses. It obviously is confused, pass some, spam inbox some, and just plain filter it so it isn't received. At least make it consistent, maybe even make it work as it should. | |
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thephantom
join:2001-04-24
Alamo, CA
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March 25th, @03:14PM
| switch to gmail... I already use gmail for a lot of mail, but have kept my original pacbell.net (before yahoo, before at&t) address as my main address for friends, family, and some business. I noticed the other day that the flood of spam I usually get disappeared. But so did legit letters from my sister who called me to ask why I didn't respond. I think I'll just abandon my ISP email and go through gmail instead. | |
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ffink20001
join:2002-12-18
Norwich, CT | Yahoo email giving me a different problem Used to be good I got all my email;s spam always in the spam box but lately a shit load of spam has been making it into my regular box | |
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bjbrock
join:2002-10-28
Mcalester, OK
| Stopping spam. Everyone complains about spam. But as soon as their mail server enforces the rules laid down for mail servers to help with the proble, they start crying.
Go to the people whose mail is being blocked, tell them to follow the RFC's issued for mail servers and their mail will come through just fine.
If they can't take the responsibility to setup their server correctly, they shouldn't set one up! | |
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Sortofadog
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
Chicago, IL | Re: Stopping spam. Considering your blind defense of this nonsense, you must be the person responsible. Nice work.
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join:2002-10-28
Mcalester, OK
| Re: Stopping spam. It's not blind defense. I happen to manage three mail servers hosting several domains. I also manage DNS for those domains. I simply know how the system works, I have read the RFC's, and you can bet you will see other large mail providers start enforcing the RFC's in the same fashion.
I did not make the rules but I do try to follow them.
Have you read any of the RFC's regarding mail servers?
You can bash me and Yahoo and anyone else. They are just doing their job. | |
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join:2000-08-16
·Digizip
| Re: Stopping spam. said by bjbrock :It's not blind defense. I happen to manage three mail servers hosting several domains. I also manage DNS for those domains. I simply know how the system works, I have read the RFC's, and you can bet you will see other large mail providers start enforcing the RFC's in the same fashion. I did not make the rules but I do try to follow them. Have you read any of the RFC's regarding mail servers? You can bash me and Yahoo and anyone else. They are just doing their job. Splain me this then:
I have two ISPs, and one hosting company with POP mailboxes at each. Two of the ISPs are Covad resellers, one is a Qwest reseller.
The mailboxes on the Qwest hosted ISPs servers, where my domain/e-mail server are hosted, are rejecting all mail from all sources; i.e., the servers are bouncing all e-mail, period, including e-mail sent to my hosting company. All the e-mail servers at my hosting company are set up properly, and have been functioning properly for over a year. Now, they are fucked.
The mailboxes at one of the other ISPs (Covad ADSL reseller) is accepting all mail, and labeling some as SPAM, some as legitimate, and most e-mails are sorted correctly. No e-mail is being bounced as far as I can tell. This account has been functioning properly for five years or more. I haven't logged into the webmail during the last five days at this ISP to check, so I may be wrong.
The other ISP is an AT&T reseller, as well as a Covad reseller. My agreement with the ISP is for Covad ADSL service. That mailbox used to filter correctly with nary a miss; letting all legitimate e-mail through to my inbox, and correctly blocking all SPAM sending it to a SPAM folder on the server. I would clean the SPAM folder out regularly by logging into webmail. However, this ISP, over the last five days or so has completely fucked up all filtering, labeling and sending EVERY incoming e-mail to the SPAM folder. I have logged into webmail and attempted to retrain the SPAM filter by white-listing the non-SPAM e-mail, and deleting the true SPAM e-mail. This ISPs filters have responded by continuing to reject all e-mail as SPAM, white-listed, or not. This e-mail had been functioning properly for five years or more.
Something doesn't smell right. Does this nonsense have anything to do with AT&T copyright filtering implementations, the NSA's spying/filtering internet traffic, or is it just a bunch of FUCKED-UP ASSHOLES inadvertantly laying waste to small businesses who are dependent upon e-mail for their livelihood?
I used to get one or two SPAM e-mails delivered per day, along with a ton of legitimate business e-mail. Now, I get a few more SPAM e-mails, and NO BUSINESS E-MAIL!!!!! | |
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Sortofadog
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
Chicago, IL
·AT&T Midwest
| Considering that today, AT&T officially admitted they screwed up a maintenance operation over the weekend, and caused this mess, I rest my case.
Boy am I glad you aren't anywhere near any of my systems...
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Redeye
join:2001-10-30
Villa Rica, GA
| Get used to it EVERYONE filters, or just about. Almost every commercial server host filters email before it gets to you, so unless you are luck enough to find a honest host (lots of them lie and say the dont filter...cough...cough surpass...cough.cough) that doesnt filter your just going to have to live with the simple gods honest fact that there is no way email in inter current RFC iteration will ever again be 100% reliable.
Pick up a phone.
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join:2002-10-28
Mcalester, OK | Re: Get used to it It is not filtering. They are simply following the rules.
Filtered mail goes to the junk box. It is only non RFC compliant servers that are being rejected. | |
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solstice
join:2003-03-05
Berkeley, CA | This is why I left GoDaddy My current host does not filter at all. I like it that way...I am a big boy and can filter on the client side.
GoDaddy filtered email from non-US domains...I don't know what game ATT is playing. | |
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BabyBear
Keep wise ...with Night-Owl
join:2007-01-11
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March 25th, @05:40PM
| Eudora agrees According to Eudora's built in stats, it matches up with the story have seen a huge drop to the levels not seen since I first setup the email accounts a few years ago.
Here I thought the spammers were just giving up.  Haven't gotten any calls from anyone saying, why haven't you read my email about going to V!rGin@?  | |
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@pacbell.net
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This is a bunch of BS to block Legit E-Mail because someone at the other end does not know how to configure their server.
I did some test with some business associates and found that the same E-Mail would go to one of my non ATT account but got blocked by my ATT account (xxx.pacbell.net).
The customer service people at ATT either don't know about this new problem are are told to lie to their customers | |
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