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| Re: this is because Nville wants to be a phone company In an effort to encourage citizens to rally against the proposed law, Naperville has placed mock-ups of the ugly U-verse boxes around town bearing the message “brought to you from AT&T.”
This topic was just discussed at BBR on Feb 22:
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| Re: this is because Nville wants to be a phone company said by TK Junk Mail  : In an effort to encourage citizens to rally against the proposed law, Naperville has placed mock-ups of the ugly U-verse boxes around town bearing the message “brought to you from AT&T.”
This topic was just discussed at BBR on Feb 22: » Town Says AT&T Vengeful in Lightspeed Cabinet Fight Itasca = Naperville? Or is it just the Jerseyites' view that all communities in Illinois are interchangeable?
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| said by alfnoid :They (Naperville) were trying to become a phone company themselves last I was living there so this is not just a fairness to our residents thing. It is also a competition thing. IIRC, they were wanting to do this since Ameritech/SBC/AT&T wasn't rolling out Project Lightspeed/DSL due to another fight with regulators, and since the telco wasn't doing it the city said we would. | |
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Naperville's biggest complaint with the Deathstar, last I heard, was lack of a full build out within a franchise area.
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| Re: small city? said by jimi419 :said by HotRodFoto :The second largest in Ill! lol not even close, Rockford has more ppl living there than Naperville does helps to do a little research Actually, 2nd largest in Illinois is Aurora. Here is the research:
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| Re: small city? Population in 2000 (2005 estimate)
Rockford: 150,115 (152,916)
Aurora: 142,990 (168,181)
Naperville: 128,358 (141,579)
Aurora is now #2, Naperville is behind Rockford at #4.
Naperville is one of a handful of cities with two cable system operators (Comcast and WOW) covering the entire city so I don't know why AT&T is even bothering with them.
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| said by jimi419 :said by HotRodFoto :The second largest in Ill! lol not even close, Rockford has more ppl living there than Naperville does helps to do a little research Hmm now that is interesting cuz it was a few years.....flip floppin it seems. Also, last I had heard the real stats were closer to 200,000
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| Re: pointless said by hayabusa3303 :At&t i have a better idea just MOVE on to a different town. Naperville doesnt want it so move on to a town that does.  How much money these companies piss away into legal stupid crap is beyond me. It's called "cherry picking". This proposed law would remove the only obstacle that is keeping AT&T from doing so in Illinois. | |
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| Re: pointless said by cbrigante2 : It's called "cherry picking". Every municipal broadband/CATV project *cherry picks*, they only wire the profitable municipality. | |
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| Re: pointless said by batterup :said by cbrigante2 : It's called "cherry picking". Every municipal broadband/CATV project *cherry picks*, they only wire the profitable municipality. I'm not disputing that fact. I was just giving hayabusa the answer to why these companies piss away money on legal stupid crap. | |
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|  Link & Info on Illinois House Bill 1500 statewide franchise
»www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillSta···51&GA=95
Creates the Cable and Video Competition Law of 2007 in the Public Utilities Act. Provides that a person or entity seeking to provide cable service or video service must file an application with and obtain a State-issued authorization from the Illinois Commerce Commission. Provides that the holder of a State-issued authorization must: (1) comply with rules concerning customer service and privacy protection; (2) designate a sufficient amount of capacity on its network to provide for the same number of public, education, and government access channels that are in actual use; (3) comply with provisions concerning the emergency alert system; and (4) comply with provisions concerning applicable fees payable to and audits by local units of government. Contains provisions concerning the local unit of government's authority over the holder of a State-issued authorization. Specifies the requirements for a holder of a State-issued authorization to provide video services. Contains provisions concerning the access to property and payment for access by the holder of a State-issued authorization. Provides that the Law shall be enforced only by a court of competent jurisdiction. Preempts home rule. Amends other Acts to provide that they are subject to the provisions added to the Public Utilities Act. Amends the State Mandates Act to require implementation without reimbursement. Effective immediately. Link to the Full text of the bill:
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The Home Rule override section:Sec. 21-1301. Home rule.
14 (a) It is declared to be the law of this State, pursuant to
15 paragraph (h) of Section 6 of Article VII of the Illinois
16 Constitution, that the establishment of standards and
17 procedures for, and the granting of, all cable service and
18 video service authorizations after the effective date of, and
19 as provided in, this Article are exclusive State powers and
20 functions that may not be exercised by a home rule unit.
21 (b) With respect to the other provisions of this Article
22 that are not subject to subsection (a), a home rule unit may
23 not impose restrictions or limitations that are inconsistent
24 with those other provisions of this Article. This subsection is
25 a limitation under subsection (i) of Section 6 of Article VII
1 of the Illinois Constitution on the concurrent exercise by home
2 rule units of powers and functions exercised by the State. This bill is going to fly thru the Illinois House. A Senate version is not yet in the works. The Sponsors are bi-partisan House leaders and leaders of the Telecomm Committee.
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| Re: Link & Info on Illinois House Bill 1500 statewide franchise said by TK Junk Mail :Link to the Full text of the bill: » www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltex···Session=The Home Rule override section: Sec. 21-1301. Home rule.
14 (a) It is declared to be the law of this State, pursuant to
15 paragraph (h) of Section 6 of Article VII of the Illinois
16 Constitution, that the establishment of standards and
17 procedures for, and the granting of, all cable service and
18 video service authorizations after the effective date of, and
19 as provided in, this Article are exclusive State powers and
20 functions that may not be exercised by a home rule unit.
21 (b) With respect to the other provisions of this Article
22 that are not subject to subsection (a), a home rule unit may
23 not impose restrictions or limitations that are inconsistent
24 with those other provisions of this Article. This subsection is
25 a limitation under subsection (i) of Section 6 of Article VII
1 of the Illinois Constitution on the concurrent exercise by home
2 rule units of powers and functions exercised by the State. Whoa, that's more than a state franchise law.
If I am reading that bill right, it abolishes local franchises and kills any existing local franchises.
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| Re: Link & Info on Illinois House Bill 1500 statewide franchise I don't understand why having state and federal policy on broadband deployment is exclusive of community controll. Check out a plan like »www.connectkentucky.org and you'll see a plan that intergrates s real statewide policy with local/business/labor partnerships. Our main problem is that we don't really high speed, affordable broadband for all of our citizens whether they live in high priced neighborhoods or in rural or inner city areas. We are a backward country when it comes ti high speed broadband and we can spend all our time arguing over who will controll it or figure out a way to develop public policy to get us what we need. | |
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Broadband is exclusively the control of the federal government and no one else. | |
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| Here's the scary part.
Read this:
9 (2) Any area in this State in which the Commission has
10 granted a cable service or video service authorization pursuant
11 to this Article, no property owner, condominium association,
12 managing agent, lessee, or other person in possession and
13 control of any improved or unimproved real estate located
14 within such area shall forbid or prevent the holder of a
15 State-issued authorization from entering upon that real estate
16 for the purpose of and in connection with the construction or
17 installation of that cable service or video service facilities,
18 nor shall any such property owner, condominium association,
19 managing agent, lessee, or other person in possession or
20 control of that real estate forbid or prevent the holder of a
21 State-issued authorization from constructing or installing
22 upon, beneath, or over the real estate, including any buildings
23 or other structures located thereon, hardware, cable, fiber,
24 equipment, materials, or other cable service or video service
25 facilities used by the holder of a State-issued authorization
26 in the construction and installation of those cable service or
HB1500 - 33 - LRB095 09362 MJR 31669 b
1 video service facilities; provided, however, that the owner of
2 any such real estate may require, in exchange and as
3 compensation for permitting the construction or installation
4 of cable service or video service facilities upon, beneath, or
5 over such real estate, the payment of just compensation by the
6 holder of a State-issued authorization which provides that
7 cable service or video service, that sum to be determined in
8 accordance with the provisions of subsections (3) and (4) of
9 this Section, and provided further that the holder of a
10 State-issued authorization constructing or installing those
11 cable service or video service facilities shall agree to
12 indemnify the owner of the real estate for any damage caused by
13 the installation, operation, or removal of the cable service or
14 video service facilities and service.
A private property owner can't block AT&T from building on their property; they can only request a fee.
Yeah...this bill is GREAT for consumers!!!! Hi...we'll take that land!
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| Re: Link & Info on Illinois House Bill 1500 statewide franchise said by batageek :A private property owner can't block AT&T from building on their property; they can only request a fee. Yeah...this bill is GREAT for consumers!!!! Hi...we'll take that land! It is called an easement and it has been standard practice for utilities oh say forever. Local franchising worked the same way where easements were concerned. The property owner NEVER had a say.
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| Re: Link & Info on Illinois House Bill 1500 statewide franchise No it's not.
This steps further. Read it again.
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| Re: Link & Info on Illinois House Bill 1500 statewide franchise I think he might be right.
The compensation clause indicates that this is not just an easement clause but rather something more similar to an eminent domain power.
The big difference is that easements are normally defined with the deed and hence you know where they are when they are purchased. This power could be used on areas outside defined easements, and hence not defined when the property was purchased.
I don't think it will be used that way much, if ever, because the additional cost would be too much.
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|  AT&T Your World: with phony interest groups!
Yeah no doubt there, if I had $1 for every time I saw their ad for their phony back "grassroots group" TV4US, I'd have garbage bags stuffed with dollars. Maybe then I could dump them on my State Reps. lawn to write a few favorable laws myself!
»www.tvtechnology.com/pages/s.007···559.html
AT&T is backing the TV4US lobby that runs commercials that say that if you make your voice heard it will cause cable rates to drop (hahahaha). Of course there is NO disclosure of AT&T's support of TV4US in the commercial. Its made to seem this "concern" is coming from the avg. Joe. | |
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| Re: AT&T Your World: with phony interest groups! said by BabyBear :AT&T is backing the TV4US lobby that runs commercials that say that if you make your voice heard it will cause cable rates to drop (hahahaha). Of course there is NO disclosure of AT&T's support of TV4US in the commercial. Its made to seem this "concern" is coming from the avg. Joe. The TV4US coalition, not just AT&T:
»www.wewantchoice.com/content/pages/about_us
Coalition Members:
AC Data Systems Inc.
Actiontec Electronics Inc.
The America Channel
Asian Business Association
Asian Women In Business
AT&T
BTECH Inc.
Center for Individual Freedom
Charles Industries
Condux International
Construction Industry Roundtable
Coastcom
Frontiers of Freedom
Hammerhead Systems Inc.
Independent Technologies Inc.
Japanese American Citizens League
Leapstone Systems Inc.
MRV Communications, Inc.
National Black Chamber of Commerce
National Association of Manufacturers
National Association of Neighborhoods
National Taxpayers Union
Northstar Communications Group. Inc.
NSG America
Optical Entertainment Network
Prysmian Communications Cables and Systems USA
Small Business & Entrepreneurship Council
SNC Manufacturing Co. Inc.
The Citizenship Foundation
The Latino Coalition
White Rock Networks Inc.
Women Presidents' Organization Independent voices and groups backing statewide franchising:
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| Re: AT&T Your World: with phony interest groups! "The TV4US coalition, not just AT&T:"
Yeah Just like our "coalition of the willing" in Iraq.
I looked earlier but couldn't find anymore on Chicago's ABC Ch. 7 website a story they did about this. They reported that AT&T was nearly 90% of wewantchoice's funding!  And that this should be disclosed in a easy way for the public to see. | |
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| Re: AT&T Your World: with phony interest groups! said by BabyBear :Who said anything about Bush!?! Don't hurt yourself rolling your eyes in search of Bush bashing. I agree with the Iraq War. Add more troops, like 100,000, whack the nutcases, and get it done. | |
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LOOK at those boxes in the photos at the geneva website linked to in the above articles.
And then consider that they reportedly only serve 300 to 400 residences.
That equals a LOT of those boxes around town being needed to serve any given town or city.
It is an eyesore. And these cities have every right to complain.
But then, consider the service that these boxes will be delivering.
AT&T's "next generation" uverse service.
Next generation being internet speeds that are 1/3rd of what I already see on Comcast with powerboost.
Folks...that makes this double concerning. AT&T wants to put these things all over the place to deliver our world something like that.
If it was FTTH, I guess I could be more forgiving. At least it has potential for the future and is cutting edge service, with the potential to surpass what cable co's are doing now.
But to let them do this to our cities and towns to deliver something like Uverse is just all wrong. And personally, just as wrong I think is what appears to be their "screw you all we're going to do it anyway" attitude.
Sue these cities is their game plan. Push for legislation to just bypass our cities and towns altogether.
This is horrible conduct for a company.
This is the worst kind of arrogance in my view.
Why regulators have let this company grow ever larger with mergers is beyond me. They haven't earned the right.
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| Re: Think about this for a minute... Naperville is one of the richest burbs outside of oak brook. average home price around 500k. im in hinsdale, right down the road from naperville, i wouldnt want one of those boxes around my home. were talking tree lined parkways and set back homes. not a cookie cutter suburb. ergo, a city with a enormous tax base to fight att. | |
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| I live in naperville (I have a house here and my parents have a house as well), I would GLADLY allow these boxes around town. I can think of so many places to put these where they would not be such an eye-sore. Just as an example, Downtown naperville has a lot of artwork, I am sure they could get someone to paint some of the boxes with some pretty cool things around the downtown area. And as for the residential areas, if you ask around, you will find people who could care less if these boxes go up in their yards. People seem to keep making a bigger deal of this than it really needs to be. | |
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| Re: I live in Naperville hate to sink your boat but DO YOU KNOW HOW CROWDED IT IS DOWN TOWN RIGHT NOW. Before you post a careless comment about that think about what you say. If you have 300 lines going into a box the size of a fridge and downtown Naperville has limited grass you end up with a lot of headaches. The buildings are old, the streets form into sidewalks. Now if you can think of a good place next to a road were at&t can drop these fridges I'm all ears but a lot of areas in Naperville have sidewalks that are lining the roads or are within 10 feet of the road. And at&t wont paint your boxes and might prevent people from covering them. Why don't you stroll down the street and find a power box or data box that's runs by the phone company's and do 2 thinks feel the box, odds are its warm and 2 read the label on the box it says maintain 10 feet of clearance on all sides of the box for proper ventilation and servicing.
Next to the point u-verse if rolled out in Naperville would do 2 things.
1. it would be a wast
1a. first reason u-verse is 3 packages a dsl version, a fiber version, and a satellite-dsl version
1b. do the math what is cheaper buying set top boxes and running a few new dsl lines from current dslams and dropping a satellite dish on a roof or running fiber to the home.
2. what the hell would you paint a 5 foot fridge it just makes it more prone to some poor ass Naperville driver slamming into it because there speeding down Washington. | |
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