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join:2005-11-21
Yermo, CA | I'm not in NYC, But... I'll say It for those Who can't, Yea!!! 
Now If Verizon can come out to Yermo CA with FiOS or at least deliver Naked DSL to Yermo CA(Near Barstow CA). | |
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Dogfather
Premium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | Why bother BA lied to Pennsylvania while getting billions in goodies and they'll do the same to NYC. | |
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join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA | Re: Why bother Most of the "goodies" in this case are related to running a cable TV system... Why would Verizon go through a long approval process, get approved for cable TV, and then not deploy it? Out of sheer hatred for the City of New York? | |
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Lika
@verizon.net | Re: Why bother I don't see how they lied, they just finished laying underground cable all around my area in PA and are still laying down around the area and stringing on the poles. | |
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Dogfather
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join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | Re: Why bother They were supposed to have had it done years ago, more than 1/2 of PA was to have had fiber by 2004. | |
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Lika
@psu.edu
| Re: Why bother The problem was that that Ed Rendell decided that verizon has to go to every single township and sign the deals with them instead of just signing with PA and having that work state wide. There are a lot of different municipalities in PA as there are in many state. I can imagine that taking a lot of time. | |
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Dogfather
Premium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | Re: Why bother That has nothing to do with the original BA Chap 30 requirements. | |
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join:2004-06-19
Alexandria, VA
| Re: Why bother said by Dogfather  :they'll do the best areas first and will be apologetically late with the others. I don't get it . . . you're saying they should do the WORST (least profitible) areas first? Riiiight. | |
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join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA | Re: Why bother Otherwise is clear proof that Verizon hates poor people and/or minorities. | |
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join:2004-06-19
Alexandria, VA
| Re: Why bother said by EPS :Otherwise is clear proof that Verizon hates poor people and/or minorities. So if a business chooses to deploy their capital first where it makes the most economic sense, they're racist. Okay. | |
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join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA | Re: Why bother I wasn't entirely serious (or serious at all, actually) in my earlier post...
The concern is not so much that less profitable areas will get deployed later, it's whether they'll get deployed to at all. | |
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SIFIOSTV
@gs.com
| said by myokitis :said by EPS :Otherwise is clear proof that Verizon hates poor people and/or minorities. So if a business chooses to deploy their capital first where it makes the most economic sense, they're racist. Okay. Actually, in this country even poor people watch plenty of cable TV. So while there may be some economic incentives for wiring the rich areas first, they probably aren't as strong as a lot of people seem to be assuming. | |
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elbm
join:2000-08-03
Reisterstown, MD | There is no evidence of Verizon red-lining in it's current deployment of fttp.
As for the PA thing and those saying BA/Verizon "took the money" and ran-- it is a bunch of mis-truths and a distortion of the facts. | |
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Pathfinder
Dazed Confused
Premium
join:2000-03-26
Mount Vernon, NY
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: Why bother said by Dogfather :said by elbm :There is no evidence of Verizon red-lining in it's current deployment of fttp. As for the PA thing and those saying BA/Verizon "took the money" and ran-- it is a bunch of mis-truths and a distortion of the facts. The article has a chart showing exactly how they're redlining. Which article? | |
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Pathfinder
Dazed Confused
Premium
join:2000-03-26
Mount Vernon, NY | Re: Why bother 100% of single family homes in Manhattan? That's probably about 100. Not a big deal.
Staten Island would be done first. | |
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IM1811
join:2001-08-20
Haverstraw, NY
 ·Verizon FIOS
| Finally some competition This is a great deal for everyone. Since when did the Cable Companies think they were going to operate in a competitive vacuum? Now all Verizon has to do is offer A La Cart TV services to go with the 'no caps' on data plan and we'll be getting somewhere. | |
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NOZIREV
join:2008-07-10
New Bedford, MA
 ·Comcast
| Its only a matter of time before verizon implements there own caps on there service. I will bet that it happens within a year. Any takers? That is good news that they have a goal(wiring the entire city with FiOS by 2014) and even better that they have a way out(those who've actually read the monster say that by and large it's a gift to Verizon, allowing them to wiggle out of those promises down the road). Either way competition is good for business and lets see where verizon takes it. | |
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IM1811
join:2001-08-20
Haverstraw, NY
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: Its only a matter Why are you so sure Verizon will "CAP"?
Caps are being employed by cable companies in an attempt to scare people away from on demand online services like XBox 360, Netflix and Hulu. The Telco's like Verizon know this and will continue with the unlimited data plans. Its called competition in the marketplace and I'm sure the consumer will benefit.
As to Verizon hating poor people, It isn't happening here in NY. | |
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join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA
| Re: Its only a matter Well the thing is Verizon offers their own VOD and cable TV service with FiOS, so they have the same incentive that the cablecos do- except that they're less dependent on cable TV for revenues. (They're instead dependent on landline telephone, which is a much worse market to be in and can't be eliminated with caps anyway) | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| Business as usual Cherrypick the rich areas and pay the fines for not doing the other areas which will filter down to those rich peoples bills while you get to write off the fines as a biz loss. a win/win for verizon!
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When I gez aju zavateh na nalechoo more new yonooz tonigh molinigh - Ken Lee | |
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Pathfinder
Dazed Confused
Premium
join:2000-03-26
Mount Vernon, NY | Re: Business as usual Any proof of that? | |
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join:2005-01-18
·Comcast
| said by dvd536 :Cherrypick the rich areas and pay the fines for not doing the other areas which will filter down to those rich peoples bills while you get to write off the fines as a biz loss. a win/win for verizon! Might want to take a stroll through the areas with FIOS in NYC before you spout off incorrectly. | |
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just visiting
@rr.com | Proof of cherrypicking Proof of Cherry Picking?
Ha,
just ask anyone in Vermont, NH, or Maine........ | |
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join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA | Re: Proof of cherrypicking How is that cherry picking? They sold off all of the markets in those states, not just the unprofitable ones- some in southern NH even had FiOS deployed. | |
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sneakaround
join:2001-06-19
Staten Island, NY
 ·Verizon Wireless B..
·Verizon FIOS
 ·ViaTalk
| Cherry Picking????? Verizon is a business and it needs to make decisions that will allow them to see a return on their investment. That being said, Verizon will not be able to cherry pick easily or at all in NYC. When Verizon rolls out FiOS in the area served by a Central Office it rolls out to the entire area served by that central office, in NYC it would be rare to find a CO that only serves an affluent area without also serving areas that are much less affluent. For example, on Staten Island (which is a part of NYC), the Central Office that serves homes in the Todt Hill section of Staten Island also serves the Park Hill section of Staten Island. While Todt Hill has multi-million dollar homes Park Hill is much more economically depressed. Yet, both areas have FiOS service available to them. | |
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Pathfinder
Dazed Confused
Premium
join:2000-03-26
Mount Vernon, NY | Re: Cherry Picking????? You'd better keep that quiet. Don't confuse the argument with facts. It doesn't work here. | |
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just visiting
@verizon.net | Verizon is a business yeah,
Verizon is a business ,
(I thought it was regulated too)
Cherry picking ? ha - if this isnt, than what is???
go take your Cisco pill......... | |
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sneakaroundnow
@myvzw.com
| Re: Verizon is a business said by just visiting :
yeah,
Verizon is a business ,
(I thought it was regulated too)
Cherry picking ? ha - if this isnt, than what is???
go take your Cisco pill.........
Please be a little clearer in your response because I fail to understand you point. | |
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