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THIS IS A 91 HONDA HOW DARE YOU
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clubs:  | good riddance good let them pull the plug and let piracy sky rocket even further, if they cant take the cut they get now then they need to start doing things themselves.
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PayneEnter
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Oakland, CA | Re: good riddance Yes, the plug should be pulled..:D | |
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AbBaZaBbA
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Long Beach, CA | Re: good riddance I'd like nothing more than to see them hang themselves | |
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An iTunes User
@clients.speedfactory | Re: good riddance I agree, let the music industry pull the plug on iTunes.
Once that happens the music industry's stripes will be visible for all to see...a bunch of crooks. | |
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jwardl
join:2000-08-12
Spring, TX
| MUSIC INDUSTRY DIRECTIONS
1. Take a successful service (an alternative to the traditional business model) and screw it up by demanding more money.
2. Watch sales drop -- BIG.
3. Blame P2P, Apple, phases of the moon, "global warming"... ANYTHING other than accepting personal responsibility and considering that people might have higher priorities for their money than overpriced music.
4. Sue the pants off people and rake in the cash.
5. Repeat.
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Pz_
join:2001-03-31
Brownsburg, IN
clubs: | Re: good riddance See, I'm guessing that most people in the music industry would probably be on board with the "global warming isn't real" philosophy.
So number three might not work for them. | |
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noglobal
@co.nz
| Re: good riddance There is no such thing as global warming.
That is if globabl warming means that industry is creating it.
That's rubbish, it's just part of the natural occurances of the Earth.
I don't believe in globabl warming, but that's because I can think for myself.
Some people just go along with what's in the news, and theres a saying if you say something enough times people will start believing it.
Ice caps melting? Who gives a flying.. | |
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join:2004-01-29
New Bedford, MA
| Re: good riddance Considering that more water is contained in ice caps than in the ENTIRE OCEAN ON THE PLANET, you should give a flying ....
If all the ice caps melted we'd be completely underwater. The entire planet. Everything. Skyscrapers, all of it.
Mile-wide chunks are breaking off. RECORD sized ice caps are breaking off into the ocean. (sizes never before recorded) and ocean levels are slowly rising each year.
If we let that effect snowball and don't do anything NOW...I wouldn't want to be alive in a few generations to see what happens. I'm glad I probably won't live long enough to see it. | |
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join:2002-01-30
Mesa, AZ
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| I was wondering how much this could be used as a defence in a copyright violation.
Lawyer to Judge:
"My client tried to follow the law and bought ITunes music, but the RIAA shut them down - Now he is being sued by the RIAA for getting his music elsewhere." | |
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Simitar86
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| I love how the music industry says they are not greedy they just want more money. Websters definition to greedy-Excessively desirous of acquiring or possessing, especially wishing to possess more than what one needs or deserves. HAHA stupid music industry. | |
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join:2001-10-02
Columbus, OH
| Some artists are finally starting to market independently on the Internet. This is what the RIAA is afraid of, it's never been about the money even though that's what they claim to try to hide their true motives. The Internet makes it possible, even easy, for new artists to gain exposure and sell their music, the record labels that enslave artists are no longer needed. The labels are desperately trying to prevent the artists from believing this. Watch for them to push for legislation to somehow prevent artists from doing their own promotion/marketing. The reason many artists haven't left their labels and gone indie is because they are still held to their recording contracts - they still owe their labels several more albums. I suspect in the next few years we'll see more artists leaving their labels as they complete their contracts and moving to their own promotion and distribution. Then they can sell for less and still make more without the dead weight middlemen of the labels taking the lion's share of the profits.
The sad thing is, I don't even use P2P for music anymore, for one simple reason - there's not any new music coming out that's even worth the effort to download it, much less the cost of a CD! I've got somewhere around 1000 CDs that I bought before the RIAA started suing P2P users. I've only bought a handful of CDs since then, all either used for from indie labels not affiliated with the RIAA. I can't think of a single album that I want and don't already have (though there are some that I only have on vinyl and would like to see released on CD) | |
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Elf Wizard
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
| wow all this stuff means that i could get a job as a music exec, because its clear you dont need a degree in business to work in the music industry as an exec. because any college grad with an once of intelligence would know you dont go after a successfull profit venue, then again the RIAA and its members are all run by old people who think the Phonograph is still a hot new invention and wouldnt know the internet if it came up and bit them.
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Aramis604
I Represent Nobody But Myself.
join:2000-12-15
Poway, CA
clubs: | getting greedy? They're already greedy..
But Kudos to Apple for standing up to 'em.
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BlitzenZeus
Burnt Out Cynic
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join:2000-01-13
Oregon, USA |  They just want more money and hardware revenue??
Greedy lying through their teeth bastards. | |
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amungus
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| go ahead and see if anyone really cares! What, are they going to "pull the plug" on every other legal music service?
Dumb move... more money for what exactly? He's already made labels a boatload of otherwise invisible money. Pushing for him/itunes to demand more from people will just drive them to other means of getting music....... Jobs isn't an idiot, I mean, it's amazing that Apple's still as strong as they are.
If they do this to Rhapsody (or Napster, or any 'subscription') I'll be kinda upset.. What, they don't care about those services or something??? I get way more value from them, the tracks are $.10 cheaper than itunes, and I don't even have to 'buy' anything.
Stick it to the man Steve. | |
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dadkins
Living on a Blu Planet
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA | What a bunch of tards! OMG! WTF are they smoking? Oh yeah, pull the plug on a cash cow... DUH! Morons!
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join:2004-02-02
Encino, CA
| Re: What a bunch of tards! ...that's a whole hell of a lot of editing. That would be akin to saying:
Replace "Apple" with Bush; "music bosses" with Clinton, "iPod" with Lewinsky, and finally "MP3 player market" with three-way...and you have a news-worthy article.  | |
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pcscdma
Chocobo Chocobo Random Battle
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Winterset, IA
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| news at 11 Clinton Threatens to Pull Plug on Bush
Getting uncomfortable with Bush's market power
First Clinton informed Bush's Steve Jobs they wanted to charge more than 99 cents for popular tracks, leading Jobs to suggest the Clinton administration was "getting greedy". Clinton responded by stating the Clinton administration wasn't greedy, they just wanted more money, and a cut of Lewinsky's hardware revenue. Now Al Gore is threatening to pull the plug on Bush altogether, according to nobody in particular.
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| Re: What a bunch of tards! said by RedXII1234 :said by bmn :How is that related to the topic at hand ? The relation is implied rather than stated. Ahh, I see. I was wondering because the situations don't seem equivalent.
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kangabil
Do It Now, Do It Right
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Australia | Re: What a bunch of tards! No guitarzan Taylor didn't log on in here darn it; I've been waiting for him.
OOOOOH Taylor where are Yoooooo???????
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GreggE
Thinking - Thinking
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join:2003-06-01
Mid Tenn | Pull it They are absolutely stupid to mess with the largest online music service. When they take away places to purchase music, people will find it elsewhere on P2P or just not buy it at all. Are they gonna ask for a cut on all other MP3 players? | |
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join:2001-03-28
Arlington, VA
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September 29th, @09:25AM
| Don't Think This Will Hurt Apple........ If the music cartels pull Apples lisences it won't affect Apple much because the consumer will still be able to buy and use their iPod.
The problem comes in when consumers want to get new music.......where they will either get it illegally or from some other source. Which means this tactic will likely backfire on the cartels. | |
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tazman69
Safety Guy
join:2000-12-22
Charles Town, WV
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| Re: Don't Think This Will Hurt Apple........ My guess is that someone will develop a way to convert (CODEC) those .mp3s to the I-pod format. Then you can download all those "pirated" tunes and play them on that I-pod.
The music companies still don't get it. They are living in the past and have no real intention to evolve and adapt to the new future. They really need to get some new blood into the biz and shake it up... a paradigm shift. For whatever reason, the big labels insist that they can milk that cash cow for years to come. Instead of realizing they can reduce their distribution and physical production costs to make up for a portion they are giving up as part of their old business model. Truly amazing. | |
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rjackson
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| Re: Don't Think This Will Hurt Apple........ said by tazman69 :My guess is that someone will develop a way to convert (CODEC) those .mp3s to the I-pod format. Then you can download all those "pirated" tunes and play them on that I-pod. Why would you have to convert them? iPods have always played mp3s. | |
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tazman69
Safety Guy
join:2000-12-22
Charles Town, WV | Re: Don't Think This Will Hurt Apple........ Didnt know that.
Even bigger reason for the labels to get their s**t together and come into the year 2005. It still amazes me that they cant change. | |
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DrewCapu
Giant Diehard
join:2001-12-19
California
clubs: | Re: Don't Think This Will Hurt Apple........ Well, now you know.
Now go out and buy that nano you've been eyeing | |
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garagerock
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join:2002-06-14
Louisville, KY | muwahahahhahaha too funny. I want to see the outcome of this "throw out the baby with the bathwater" attitude they have... | |
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joshpo
join:2002-09-24
Philadelphia, PA
| "very few people buy music from digital downloads" Yeah, and the few people that do will go back to piracy should the music store go up in flames. They are so stupid. Do they actually think that the music store is what is driving the iPod craze?? You have got to be kidding me. I'd love to stop 10 people on the street and ask them how many iTunes store tracks are on their iPod. | |
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| stonecolddsl
join:2004-01-07
Sarasota, FL | Re: "very few people buy music from digital downloads" as a ipod photo 20 gig and a ipod mini 6 gig onwer between both of them I have like 5 itunes bought songs out of 600 | |
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cableties
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join:2005-01-27
Levittown, PA
| Re: "very few people buy music from digital downlo You actually BUY your music? 
Really. I just rip my old CDs. Atleast if I lose my iTunes library or ipod, I just rip them back. Or have a backup and use a 3rd party iPod->HD utility.
Yes, ipod will play MP3s, AAC, MP4... I am surprised that most folks think iPods ONLY play a proprietary format (Real make this up?). But, iTunes tracks are 'authorized' to the purchaser's computer. This is where Apple does the DRM dance to make RIAA happy. too bad the studios are greedy. Like the Telcos, they just wait till someone has a successful model, threaten to pullout, then get someone else to 'blow' them and sell their carp. Creative? M$? who knows.
Point here is, what if the musicians, that are now seeing money they weren't, tell the studios to f-off? I mean, most bands can and should be independent and allow Apple to sell for them. This could backlash. They (studios) missed the boat, and now, from a deserted isle, threaten the very rescuers!
"eff ewe RIAA and you pocket of greedy studios". Should have capped CDs at $5.99/$9.99. this would be moot by now... | |
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guitarzan
See. Now watch and learn.
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join:2004-05-04
Skytop, PA
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| Re: "very few people buy music from digital downlo said by cableties : This is where Apple does the DRM dance to make RIAA happy. too bad the studios are greedy. Here is where Apple should tell them go head pull the plug.Then announce to all iPod owners DRM will no longer be part and parcel of an iPod and current iPod owners need to return them for a new and improved DRM free model.
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join:2001-08-24
Miami, FL | One word napster. | |
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N3OGH
They both suck, we're so screwed
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join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
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| They won't do it They won't pull the plug on all that free money. These jerks are so used to bullying people into giving them what they want, they figure Apple will fold. Jobs will tell them to shove it, and they'll have to eat it, because in the long run, they will lose money and they know it.
Just more proof the RIAA is a throwback. They use the same ol' shitty tactics they have for decades.
How long will it take this beast to die all ready.... | |
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Jeffrey
Bye George, 1937-2008
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join:2002-12-24
Long Island
clubs: | To the Record Industry.... Don't wound something you can't kill. | |
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NOCMan
Verizon Fios User
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join:2004-09-30
Flower Mound, TX
| Congress can step in. It can be considered price gouging if the record companies make it where buying music online is more expensive than buying the cd's in stores.
Several reasons music online should be cheaper than cd's.
Most online music that can be purchased is DRM encumbered.
Most online music in some cases cost more than what you can buy it in the store.
Also it's not right that the music industry allows ala carte buying of songs on the internet, then realises once we have a choice, we only buy the good stuff and leave the crap that fills many cd's alone.
Also I have to wonder what percentage of online sales does Apple count for when you consider that the music industry cries foul when Wal-Mart tells them to lower thier prices or they they will quit selling cd's and dvd's.
At Walmart cd/dvd sales account for slightly less than 1% of their revenue. However for the music industry Walmart accounts for 40% of their sales (2003 I think).
Clearly Walmart can care less and it's more of they think prices are too high. Apple could probably work out some way to get walmart to back them up. 2 companies standing up to the MPAA/RIAA and saying enough is enough would make my day.
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join:2002-01-30
Mesa, AZ
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| Re: Congress can step in. said by NOCMan :Apple could probably work out some way to get walmart to back them up. 2 companies standing up to the MPAA/RIAA and saying enough is enough would make my day. Wow, that could finally be what is needed to stand up to **AA. | |
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GhostDoggy
join:2005-05-11
Duluth, GA
| Announcing the RIAA Bendover MP3 player! Yessir, they wish to establish a means to offset their lack of control in the free-market with a heavily-controlled dictatorship. So, let them produce their own MP3 player and we can sit back and watch it fail.
Seriously though, this is an opportunity for them to make inroads into the PMP arena and what better way to do it then to shutdown everyone else's ability to do it? | |
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| This will only promote piracy Go ahead, morons, kill the cash cow. When you do, how many people who would have otherwise bought from iTMS resort to piracy? I have a feeling that many people who wanted to legally buy music will feel that the record companies are being unreasonable and decide that they're just going to get their music from somewhere else?
What a bunch of fools these people are. | |
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yock
The Internet Is For Porn
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join:2000-11-21
Fairfield, OH
| Re: Jobs will negotiate and prices will go up said by TK Junk Mail :A whole lot of fire and smoke here in this msg thread about how Jobs is looking out for the consumer. Get real. Jobs is looking out for Apple profits(and himself). Eventually, when the contracts come up for renewal, he will make a deal. And the 99c download will be gone from the Itunes store. Count on it. I'm with you on this one. iTunes is the pillar of the entire Apple Macintosh business model right now. It's how you get music on your Mac for your iPod to put in your movies in Final Cut Pro.
As disappointed as I will be, it's still cheaper and more convenient than the record store.
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cao1964
join:2000-08-09
Danville, PA
| said by TK Junk Mail :A whole lot of fire and smoke here in this msg thread about how Jobs is looking out for the consumer. Get real. Jobs is looking out for Apple profits(and himself). Eventually, when the contracts come up for renewal, he will make a deal. And the 99c download will be gone from the Itunes store. Count on it. I am with you, Apple has not choice, in the end they will either make a deal and give them more money from the IPOD sales to keep the price the same, hey I can see it from the music industry also, Greed is good, so for them more money means more toys, have to love it. And second are any of the record labels still actually run by US or are they foreign owned? No much different than the the medication problem we have in the states, wait till you need pills haha, then you will know real pain. | |
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join:2005-08-03
College Place, WA
| Re: Jobs will negotiate and prices will go up As I said in another thread, Apple isnt powerless in this equasion. The RIAA can pull the plug, and see their revenue from online sales drop like a stone in water.
The only online music store that I know of, that comes remotely close to ITMS, is Yahoo music (.99 track, or $5/mo and .79 track). And Yahoo doesnt have as big a library as ITMS does.
Secondly, the iPod is still the most popular mp3 player. And I doubt that the mass populous of iPod owners will switch to devices that support Janus or PlayForSure.
Users will just go back to pirating their music, or to doing my personal favorite: 5 people chip in $2-4 bucks for a CD, then we all rip it, then stick it on a shelf somewheres. | |
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jmycknshk
...bring your green hat
join:2004-07-02
West Chester, PA
| f those f-ers... so, once they pull the plug on itunes and user go over to windows, napster or whatever, how long until they try to pull this crap with them? you don't want to f with microsoft. doesn't apple sell like 85% of all music purchased online anyways? we're still not going to buy the crap songs, so screw you, "big 'music'" | |
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jmycknshk
...bring your green hat
join:2004-07-02
West Chester, PA | and... buy.com has songs for $0.79 online for some-others only .99. | |
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Music Industry Threatens to Pull Plug on Apple
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