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(old news - 06:14PM Monday May 04 2009)
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Last week we noted that Minnesota alcohol and gambling regulators have decided to try and force ISPs in the state to block user access to online gambling websites. It's unlikely the effort will succeed, given it's technically almost impossible and legally dubious. The state wants to force ISPs to adhere to inapplicable "common carrier" laws, despite the fact that modern ISPs have been classified as "information services" and deregulated. Just in case, one Minnesota Representative is preparing legislation to prevent the filters, according to the Minneapolis Star Tribune.

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major marco
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Hello and Welcome to Technology!

This is as tedious and stupid as the country of Australia AND the Mormons in Utah attempting to filter the Internet. Maybe Minnesota needs to secede from the Union and form their own country with Utah and Texas? Then all the fundie religious fanatics and other nutjobs can all live together in one big, happy, filtered existence without being bothered by ::REALITY::

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Re: Hello and Welcome to Technology!

said by major marco See Profile :

This is as tedious and stupid as the country of Australia AND the Mormons in Utah attempting to filter the Internet. Maybe Minnesota needs to secede from the Union and form their own country with Utah and Texas? Then all the fundie religious fanatics and other nutjobs can all live together in one big, happy, filtered existence without being bothered by ::REALITY::
You had better include Kentucky on that list as well. They tried banning Internet gambling sites and failed as well.
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Re: Hello and Welcome to Technology!

No thanks, the politicians can move to that country (where they'll administer it into the ground), but the residents here are quite connected to reality, well most of time anyway...
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said by major marco See Profile :

This is as tedious and stupid as the country of Australia AND the Mormons in Utah attempting to filter the Internet. Maybe Minnesota needs to secede from the Union and form their own country with Utah and Texas? Then all the fundie religious fanatics and other nutjobs can all live together in one big, happy, filtered existence without being bothered by ::REALITY::
It's not "fundie religious fanatics" behind this- it's a state bureaucrat trying to protect legal Indian casinos and state lottery proceeds.

Being from CA, you might want to rethink casually throwing out the "nutjob" label- you've got more than your fair share.

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said by dynodb See Profile :

It's not "fundie religious fanatics" behind this- it's a state bureaucrat trying to protect legal Indian casinos and state lottery proceeds.
said by RayW See Profile :

The LDS church (Mormons to you) does not affect my surfing at all. Talking to my neighbors, some of them have signed on to an ISP run by the LDS church that does do what you are accusing them of doing, however, and this is a BIG HOWEVER, they choose to do so and are not forced to like you imply (and several have said they like it, others have very mixed opinions).

Religious nutjobs are almost always the same folks behind filtering anything, especially causes that are considered immoral by certain religious cults entitites. They vote in very large blocs and this in turn spurs any opportunistic douchebag politician to do their bidding. Try reading and using your brain first before you sound off.
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said by major marco See Profile :

Try reading and using your brain first before you sound off.
I suggest you take your own advice. The proposed blocking wasn't enacted by a politician.
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said by major marco See Profile :

This is as tedious and stupid as the country of Australia AND the Mormons in Utah attempting to filter the Internet. Maybe Minnesota needs to secede from the Union and form their own country with Utah and Texas? Then all the fundie religious fanatics and other nutjobs can all live together in one big, happy, filtered existence without being bothered by ::REALITY::
Just goes to show how little you know, but then the internet is a great device for reading about what is not true, and in many cases, ignorant ranting.

The LDS church (Mormons to you) does not affect my surfing at all. Talking to my neighbors, some of them have signed on to an ISP run by the LDS church that does do what you are accusing them of doing, however, and this is a BIG HOWEVER, they choose to do so and are not forced to like you imply (and several have said they like it, others have very mixed opinions). I know you hate the thought that some folks have freedom of choice and can exercise it, but that is one of the concepts that this country SUPPOSEDLY was founded under.

I get all the porn spam I can puke at, as well as the various physical enhancements that only a fool would respond too, and the Win a Million Dollars at an offshore ripoff casino garbage. But then again, I am not on their ISP, I use Xmission, a private firm that lets us decide what filtering to use.

Oh, you did make one statement that has some partial truth...."This is as tedious and stupid", too bad you went off into a stupor at the point instead of making a reasoned argument (of which there are even several easy ones).
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I believe he was referring to the general trend of religious people to vote for any politician claiming to write laws banning what they see as "Morally Bankrupt" activities.

These LAWS affect all people in the state/county/country and should not be put into place because some group of people were threatened with an eternity in a dimension of fire if they did not subscribe to a certain belief system think that these activities are "Morally Bankupt"

The stock defense is always that religious people are simply excercising their "free choice" which conveniently always dodges the original problem of the religious groups trying to revoke another persons free choice through legislation. (Think of the children laws)
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Let's narrow this a little bit more by saying legalistic religious people want to ban activities they don't agree with.

Depending on how you want to define religious, I could fall into that stereo type. However, I am a true believer that you can't force anyone to be morally right. You can simply teach them the difference between right and wrong and what integrity is and then hope when they stand face to face with the decision they make the right one. No matter what "religion's" version of the Bible you look at, that is the lesson it will teach.

Just like in real life, even on the Internet if someone wants it, they will find a way to get it and there is no way you can stop them.

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said by major marco See Profile :

This is as tedious and stupid as the country of Australia AND the Mormons in Utah attempting to filter the Internet. Maybe Minnesota needs to secede from the Union and form their own country with Utah and Texas? Then all the fundie religious fanatics and other nutjobs can all live together in one big, happy, filtered existence without being bothered by ::REALITY::
Hey, we are the government, we know what is best for you.

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Having lived in MN for 18 years, it is a very liberal state.

Care to revise your statement?

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So everyone has a job in Minnesota

Every student getting into college, everyone has great heathcare, there is no crime, roads are perfect, taxes are the lowest in the land...

Cause only when this happens should any frakkin' dumbass political hack be worried two seconds about online any G-D thing.

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Re: So everyone has a job in Minnesota

lol our bridge collapsed killing lots of people are taxes are even higher now up to 7%. Plus we got Somali immigrants shooting people downtown for no reason. oh yeah and that 4.8 BILLION DEFICIT!

F You politicians Minnesota has got bigger freaking problems to worry about gambling online. Funny thing is nobody wants to back a bill to make gambling outside of Indian Casinos.

Oh yeah that big "Target Field" that my f'ning sales tax paid for you assholes.

EDIT: I did some digging and found a website of what he does or I should say did. Occupation: Network engineer

I'm very shocked that someone in the IT community would be backing a bill to block sites or filter the internet but I guess once you get into politics things change and you've got to do whatever you can do to stay elected :s

I also left a voice mail for him saying I'd like to discuss his proposal of the bill and why he feels that he should be wasting time on such a frivolous bill instead of woryying about bigger things.

You can find more information here on him:
»www.house.leg.state.mn.us/member···id=12262
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said by Chiyo See Profile :

EDIT: I did some digging and found a website of what he does or I should say did. Occupation: Network engineer

I'm very shocked that someone in the IT community would be backing a bill to block sites or filter the internet but I guess once you get into politics things change and you've got to do whatever you can do to stay elected :s

I also left a voice mail for him saying I'd like to discuss his proposal of the bill and why he feels that he should be wasting time on such a frivolous bill instead of woryying about bigger things.

You can find more information here on him:
»www.house.leg.state.mn.us/member···id=12262
I think you're confusing who's behind the Internet gambling ban with who's trying to stop it.

Garofalo is the Republican legislator trying to ban the state from trying to block certain gambling websites- he's not the one behind the attempt to block websites. Perhaps it's not the highest priority bill that'll get passed this year, but it's certainly not the lowest.

It was the (unelected) head of Alcohol and Gambling Enforcement (part of the Division of Public Safety) that came up with this website blocking nonsense.

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oh whoops :S I feel kinda dumb now thanks for points that out!

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said by Bit See Profile :

Every student getting into college, everyone has great heathcare, there is no crime, roads are perfect, taxes are the lowest in the land...

Cause only when this happens should any frakkin' dumbass political hack be worried two seconds about online any G-D thing.
You expect more from a state that will probably end up having Al Franken as a Senator?

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Re: So everyone has a job in Minnesota

said by Time See Profile :

said by Bit See Profile :

Every student getting into college, everyone has great heathcare, there is no crime, roads are perfect, taxes are the lowest in the land...

Cause only when this happens should any frakkin' dumbass political hack be worried two seconds about online any G-D thing.
You expect more from a state that will probably end up having Al Franken as a Senator?
Both options aren't really that appealing.

Edit: Spelling is hard.

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It's the other way around. the Minnesota Representative is trying to get them (Department of Public Safety) to stop trying to have ISPs block gambling websites.

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LOL...Chiyo is going to look stupid when he gets that call back.

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LOL

I love the picture for this article

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Why can't the MORON lawmakers realize that....

....you can not legislate morality!

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Re: Why can't the MORON lawmakers realize that....

i think this is about protecting gambling inside the state and collecting taxes and has nothing to do with morality.
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said by qworster See Profile :

....you can not legislate morality!
Again- in this case it's not even a lawmaker pushing this. It's an unelected bureaucrat.

Regulating gambling, salt, trans-fats in resturants- it's not just "legislating morality"; it's a nanny-state notion that lawmakers know what's best for us better than we do, and are willing to enforce their judgement on us all at gunpoint.

If it had to do with gambling being considered immoral, I doubt the state would invest so much effort in promoting it's own form of gambling by means of Powerball and scratch-off tickets themselves.
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Re: Why can't the MORON lawmakers realize that....

said by dynodb See Profile :

said by qworster See Profile :

....you can not legislate morality!
Again- in this case it's not even a lawmaker pushing this. It's an unelected bureaucrat.

Regulating gambling, salt, trans-fats in resturants- it's not just "legislating morality"; it's a nanny-state notion that lawmakers know what's best for us better than we do, and are willing to enforce their judgement on us all at gunpoint.

If it had to do with gambling being considered immoral, I doubt the state would invest so much effort in promoting it's own form of gambling by means of Powerball and scratch-off tickets themselves.
I believe that both of you are correct....
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