  exocet_cmI am the law - Judge DreddPremium
join:2003-03-23
New Orleans, LA
kudos:2 | Um quote:
Microsoft is funding a new Russian startup
And who is the "Pirate Pay" providing funding to? | |
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 Smith6612Premium,MVM
join:2008-02-01
North Tonawanda, NY
kudos:22
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1 edit | Use a Smart client If I'm not mistaken, if other clients/servers join the swarm and start to pollute it with false data, "Pirate Bay"'s servers would simply be blocked by the client on the user's end and the torrent would move on as it normally does since any decent client does compute checksums of received chunks before saving them, and retries up to a finite amount if a checksum fails. Now if what Pirate Bay is doing is generating poisoned torrents with corrupt data in them, that's another thing. Now if what they're doing is providing a Denial of Service attack against those in swarms, that's questionable.
IP Spoofing? Oldest trick in the book, and a smart setup will defeat any attempt to spoof data packets.
Next! | |
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 |  cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:7 | Re: Use a Smart client said by Smith6612:If I'm not mistaken, if other clients/servers join the swarm and start to pollute it with false data, "Pirate Bay"'s servers would simply be blocked by the client on the user's end and the torrent would move on as it normally does since any decent client does compute checksums of received chunks before saving them, and retries up to a finite amount if a checksum fails. Slashdot covered the story a week and a half ago and multiple people pointed this out. The client ends up having to wade through more chaff to get to the wheat, so it might slow them down a little.
I question their claims that they stopped 45k downloads. Did they stop it, or did they stop those clients just from talking with them? Also $12-50k to stop 45k downloaders. Hopefully for the content producers sake that number doesn't scale at a linear rate. Episodes of Game of Thrones attract 3-4 million downloads. That would result in $500-4m per episode...to stop something that costs an average of $6m per episode to make. | |
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| | | | Re: Use a Smart client Even if economies of scale are reached soon, since it appears fees will be charged for each package of content, many content producers will soon realize that the blockages do not directly translate into gained revenues, and will elect not to participate.
It has always been a lie propagated by industry that all copied material results in lost revenue. Recent record-breaking receipts shows that people will still pay for good content, and profits will be made. People won't pay so much for crap, although some might watch it for free. | |
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 jjoshuaPremium
join:2001-06-01
Scotch Plains, NJ
kudos:3 | Evolution This will just spawn another evolution of file distribution technologies that will be harder to disrupt. | |
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| Re: Evolution said by jjoshua:This will just spawn another evolution of file distribution technologies that will be harder to disrupt.
BINGO!
when the next, more secure client comes out we can all thank microsoft | |
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|  DavidNow accepting new patientsPremium,VIP
join:2002-05-30
Granite City, IL
kudos:78 | I think that's why I am going to give newsgroups a try next. | |
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| | | MAFIAA your time will come !
Internet will always be one step in front of you.
MS many of us dislike you as it is. | |
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| | | | Re: Evolution said by gorehound:MAFIAA your time will come !
Internet will always be one step in front of you.
MS many of us dislike you as it is.
very true, they keep trying but the internet cant be stopped, nothin can stop people from finding a way around this or firewalls or anything
if theirs a will theirs always a way | |
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| | so now Microsoft censors the web What to stop Microsoft from let say blocking people from going to Google etc with this tech? I never trust Microsoft. | |
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|  Camelot OnePremium,MVM
join:2001-11-21
Greenwood, IN
kudos:1 | Re: so now Microsoft censors the web said by Randall :What to stop Microsoft from let say blocking people from going to Google etc with this tech? I never trust Microsoft.
Did you read the article at all?
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| Some features... that are built into a client automatically block and ignore peers who feed bad data a certain number of times. Also, once their IP addresses are known, its easy enough to set their IPs to ignore in my router. Also, in most of the united states, some of this would be considered malicious with the intent of disrupting others internet connection or usage, thus, they will get blacklisted by every US ISP for this practice. All I have to do is complain to my ISP and their ISP that they are interrupting my connection somehow, and they got blocked at the ISP level, and then my ISP would complain to their ISP of this practice, which would get them booted from their ISP(hopefully). This is probably why MS is using a russian firm, because the russians are known for doing illegal things and their ISPs dont care. | |
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| | So... It sure sounds like the entire Internet is going to be flooded with junk packets to keep the flood of torrent packets from disrupting traffic?
Won't this break things like Steam, Twitter, Facebook and other companies using the same protocol? | |
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| Re: So... said by buzz_4_20:It sure sounds like the entire Internet is going to be flooded with junk packets to keep the flood of torrent packets from disrupting traffic?
Won't this break things like Steam, Twitter, Facebook and other companies using the same protocol?
And this is exactly what will get them in trouble. They will invade a blizzard torrent, or something similar, that is totally legal, and then will flood it with bad data and crap, and will get caught and sued out of existence. Its what happened to mediadefender, and a few other companies that tried to inject fake data and crap packets. Its illegal in most states, and under a few statues of the USA law, it could be considered terrorism or electronic espionage. | |
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|  LinklistPremium
join:2002-03-03
Longport, NJ
kudos:5 | said by buzz_4_20:It sure sounds like the entire Internet is going to be flooded with junk packets to keep the flood of torrent packets from disrupting traffic?
Won't this break things like Steam, Twitter, Facebook and other companies using the same protocol?
NO. It only targets specific torrents, not the whole protocol. | |
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| KearnstdElf WizardPremium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | they had better not ever disrupt things like blizzard patching or Steam... because patching my game will always be far more important than protecting even one film from piracy.
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 Noah VailSon made my AvatarPremium
join:2004-12-10
Lorton, VA
kudos:2
·Bright House
| Microsoft spins off little RoboCops Pirate Pay is a very Law Enforcement-ish operation title.
When I consider this program along with Operation b107 (MS's Rustock takedown) and their RICO seizure of a Zeus C&C server;
I wonder if Microsoft isn't aligning themselves to be the new ExtraNational Internet Police (CyberPol).
I have 2 thoughts on that.
• Unlike Congress, Microsoft isn't the worst possible choice to draft and implement CyberSecurity policy.
• Since Microsoft isn't accountable to any civilian body; their Law Enforcement arm will eventually become thoroughly corrupt. | |
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| mogamer
join:2011-04-20
Royal Oak, MI | Re: Microsoft spins off little RoboCops said by Noah Vail:• Since Microsoft isn't accountable to any civilian body; their Law Enforcement arm will eventually become thoroughly corrupt.
Right, like government law enforcement agencies are all clean.  | |
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| | Noah VailSon made my AvatarPremium
join:2004-12-10
Lorton, VA
kudos:2 Reviews:
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| Re: Microsoft spins off little RoboCops said by mogamer:Right, like government law enforcement agencies are all clean. I never claimed they were.
The difference is that smaller/local LEAs are more likely to be disinfected.
The larger (and federal) ones are more insulated and are about as accountable as a private LEO firm.
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 VanPremium
join:2009-07-08
New Orleans, LA | Love these quotes "The end result was that 44,845 transfers were successfully stopped. How many downloads slipped through, and whether the downloaders didn’t simply try again later is unknown. Pirate Pay don’t disclose their exact rates but say they charge between $12,000 and $50,000 depending on the scope of the project."
Ah, sounds like a huge success....40k stopped...unknown not stopped.....almost $50k charged | |
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| | | Re: Love these quotes "In Russia, Microsoft pays us!"
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|  XiodenPremium
join:2008-06-10
Monticello, NY
kudos:1 | And you have to wonder how many of those were just clients that automatically blocked them due to the bad data. | |
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| |  GuspazGuspazPremium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:20 | Re: Love these quotes It sounds like they don't feed you bad data in the blocks sense, but connect to you and try to feed you invalid IPs via PXE (peer exchange) or the DHT network. The idea would presumably be that your client would have difficulty connecting to new legitimate peers because it would have to wade through a big list of invalid IPs to hit somebody real.
There are a few problems with this. Firstly, this does nothing to disrupt communication with existing peers. Secondly, this doesn't impact the connection between the user and the authoritative tracker (unless you're in a distributed environment such as a Pirate Bay torrent). Thirdly, there are a bunch of potential countermeasures. Several come to mind:
1) Of the three peer sources, treat peers from an authoritative tracker as higher priority; try connecting to any peers retrieved from the tracker before trying to connect to peers retrieved from PXE or DHT
2) If the peer list retrieved from a specific IP via DHT or PXE has a sufficiently higher failure rate than the average from other IPs, give those peers a reduced connection priority; try connecting to peers from more trusted sources first.
3) Maintain a centralized blacklist of this company's IP range such that clients would ignore any connection attempts from those IPs.
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| | |  BonezXBasement DwellerPremium
join:2004-04-13
Canada | Re: Love these quotes said by Guspaz:It sounds like they don't feed you bad data in the blocks sense, but connect to you and try to feed you invalid IPs via PXE (peer exchange) or the DHT network.
wouldn't that method be the equivalent of having an installer spyware/junkware/virus/ect injected through an external ad server/service on your site/server injecting through java/flash. it has a slight smell of legality issues, being it's a purposely malicious action on the part of the company/software.
but i could see the entire group and any servers they use being blacklisted pretty quickly, unless they run a bot-net style configuration, which again, might run into some legality issues depending on it, but i doubt that any company wants to pay to setup hundreds of thousands of servers to get at least one in just about ever IP range, being the cheap way would be installer software which would be so incredibly illegal it's not funny, and the expensive way of putting multiple computers in every country with at least one of them in each IP block, incredibly expensive and the legality of physically creating a bot-net is sketchy but would definitely find it amusing if they could do it. | |
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| | BANG! The sound you just heard is Micro$oft shooting itself in the foot!! | |
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moes
join:2009-11-15
Indianapolis, IN | doh microsoft I like microsoft OS, thats about all I like from them, This is them just trying to destroy themselves. Stupid Stupid move. Guess OSx or Nix will come in handy soon enough on my system. | |
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| | not effective that's not going to work when bittorrent clients poll client/seed lists of IPs from a DHT server... many of the big boys (seed boxes are on the DHT list)... this plan & technology won't disrupt them...
the pirate bay & other sites regularly cycle through various techniques to keep swarms alive.. DHT isn't the only way to defeat this nuisance. | |
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| | | Re: not effective Let's see how effective it is when Win8 torrent arrived in PirateBay later this year  | |
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 ctceoPremium
join:2001-04-26
South Bend, IN
 ·magicjack.com
·AT&T U-Verse
1 edit | Free OS As soon as a FREE OGL Windows alternative hits the market, it'll be over for them anyway. Perhaps some of them will commit suicide for real, and not a virtual shot to the head.
These people have a good idea of where to start:
»www.reactos.org/en/index.html | |
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iknowPremium
join:2012-03-25 | Microsoft turned Criminal? funding hackers to disrupt the internet sure sounds like it!. and using foreigners to do it is even more of a crime!. now it's funding international hackers?. WOW, just WOW. | |
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