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join:2002-11-27
clubs:  | A whole institute huh? How about just send a memo to Verizon and Comcast and ask how much they want to wire the missing areas? No matter how much they say it will still be less than running an "institute" | |
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join:2007-01-10
Prather, CA
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| Re: A whole institute huh? Sure, and then Verizon and Comcast will gleefully take the money, and drag their feet, and never actually build out to the underserved areas, and make all sorts of excuses why they can't, and things will stay just as they are.
Public corporations run by Wall Street cannot be counted on to solve this problem. | |
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join:2005-01-25
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| Re: A whole institute huh? said by SierraRob  :Sure, and then Verizon and Comcast will gleefully take the money, and drag their feet, and never actually build out to the underserved areas, and make all sorts of excuses why they can't, and things will stay just as they are. Public corporations run by Wall Street cannot be counted on to solve this problem. I would disagree with your first point. The State of Idaho contracted Qwest and a WISP (I can't remember who) to install Broadband in numerous cities/towns with no service. The deal was, the state picks up the tab for 1/2 the cost, and the carriers were under commercial contract to meet certain milestones/completion at certain time intervals. The WISP was contracted because Verizon would not agree to those terms in their old GTE/ConTel areas. Qwest, however, jumped all over that money, installed new fiber mux's and DSLAMS in numerous areas. Total time, about 18 months from conception to completion. Idaho is now pretty well wired, with every Qwest CO serving DSL. And Idaho is about as rural as it gets. Some DSLAMS were installed in towns no bigger than 500 people. So it can be done with the proper incentives. | |
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join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR
| Re: A whole institute huh? Qwest has done a good job of deploying rural DSL here, too. We have both Verizon and Qwest territory here, and the boundary between Qwest and Verizon is very interesting: you see those mini-DSLAMs that Qwest uses, installed along the roads in their territory. On the Verizon side of the line (ex-GTE), as in Idaho, Verizon has told them to go pound sand.
In D.C., Verizon's lobbyists have been saying that they want USF-type money before deploying further, so subscribers in their lower-ROI rural areas are essentially being used as leverage to get more gov't $$$.
The biggest problem with the small-town areas in Massachusetts is that they have the misfortunre of being in Verizon terrority. | |
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ninjatutle
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join:2006-01-02
San Ramon, CA | Didn't Verizon do something like this in Pennsylvania? I remember people here whinnying and whiny about it. I thought I would never hear the end of it but I guess I have. | |
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@embarqhsd.net | Re: A whole institute huh? PA set a mandate for its largest telcom providers that they must have 100% broadband coverage 1.5Mb/s. Verizon and Embarq by 2010, others by 2011. They gave tax breaks = to the cost in 2006 to finance it. | |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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| This new "Broadband Institute" just replaces one Massachusetts already had called the "Wireless and Broadband Development Fund", which accomplished nothing. All they did was up the money set aside for that fund from $25,000,000 to $40,000,00 in the new bill and transfer the money and obligations of the original fund to the new fund.
See here for the details:
»www.mass.gov/legis/bills/senate/···2796.pdf
the Massachusetts Technology Park Corporation, established pursuant to section 3 of chapter 40J of the General Laws, shall transfer the balance of the Wireless and Broadband Development Fund to the Massachusetts Broadband Incentive Fund. And here is where the government drones hand out the pork to the party faithful:
The institute may provide and pay for such advisory services and technical assistance as may be necessary or desired to carry out its purposes.
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| neil0311
join:2005-07-24
Marietta, GA
| said by Dodge :How about just send a memo to Verizon and Comcast and ask how much they want to wire the missing areas? No matter how much they say it will still be less than running an "institute" That's MA. Nothing worth doing isn't worth spending taxpayer dollars to do, along with as many hacks and relatives of the legislators can be hired.
We didn't get broadband in Leominster until 2003, when the Comcast-ATT Broadband merger went into effect. I agree, wouldn't it be more cost effective to see what the blockers are for the major providers like Comcast, AT&T, and Verizon to provide access, and then provide tax incentives and direct subsidies to allow those providers to connect. Seems much easier than another drain on taxpayers. | |
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Cabal
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join:2007-01-21
Boston, MA | Yet another epic waste of tax dollars in Massachusetts. Who'da thunk it? | |
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join:2005-06-05
Washington, NJ | Massachusetts has now set the bar for america. We need a nat'l broadband strategy. Fios for ALL!
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join:2004-06-21
127.0.0.1
clubs: | repost i thnink they posted something about this before | |
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deadzoned
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join:2005-04-13
Baton Rouge, LA
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| The only way This will be the only way that this country will be able to truly get broadband to un-served areas of our country.
It will be a tough fight. Massachusetts can expect to get hit with multiple lawsuits and a huge mis-information campaign by Comcast and Verizon hoping to disrupt their plans. | |
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join:2005-12-09
49533 | Wait for it Waiting for the obligatory TK / Openbox 9 comment on how this is a Very Bad Thing. | |
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| nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| Re: Wait for it said by digitalfreak :Waiting for the obligatory TK / Openbox 9 comment on how this is a Very Bad Thing. nah - they just don't like govt money spent to help consumers (govt money is for wars, big business and rich people that have friends in high places); consumers and the little people must fend for themselves.
it appears this plan doesn't rule out shoveling money to the incumbents ("private sector"), so that's OK; the "private sector" will spread the wealth to the right people and make sure most of the money goes to them. | |
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posthaste
join:2001-05-20
Champaign, IL
| Typical So let me get this straight ... they added $40 million in debt to be used to lobby the federal gov't and beg for money from "private funds"?
Outcome: another new, worthless dept to add to the already bloated State bureaucracy
Winner: the newly-minted, and likely handsomely paid, MBI desk jokeys.
Loser: the people.
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amarryat
Verizon FiOS
join:2005-05-02
Marshfield, MA | wireless So there are 32 communities in MA where Verizon Wireless broadband cards won't work? | |
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| probboy
join:2008-01-10
Natick, MA
1 edit | Re: wireless Yes. Service from all providers is pretty abysmal in Franklin county. | |
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amarryat
Verizon FiOS
join:2005-05-02
Marshfield, MA | Re: wireless So we are going to spend $40 million to give an additional option (besides satellite) to 75,000 people? Nice. | |
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join:2008-01-10
Natick, MA
1 edit | Re: wireless Yep, along with (eventual) bailouts of both the Turnpike Authority and the MBTA. Hopefully the General Court allows us, the people, to vote on eliminating the income tax this November; I'm not looking forward to the monetary crisis that would result, but it would finally force this state to live within its means.
Of course the elimination of the income tax would probably just mean that our property taxes would skyrocket.
Edit: I also forgot to mention the massive tax breaks for both the biotech and film industries. The health insurance mandate that mysteriously costs more than first expected, etc, etc. | |
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amarryat
Verizon FiOS
join:2005-05-02
Marshfield, MA
 ·Verizon FIOS
2 edits | Re: wireless I can see where the property taxes would go up due to probable local aid reductions, but in the end I think the taxpayer would benefit. You are right, the state would be forced to live within its means, but maybe not. You know this state - they'd raise other taxes and fees to make up the difference. Remember when we had the most successful lottery in the nation resulting in loads of extra revenue for the state? They spent it all and still have a deficit. | |
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CJPC
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join:2001-02-20
Charlestown, MA
clubs:
| Overstated The irony is (not counting wireless providers) in parts of Boston it is still a monopoly through Comcast. Large parts of the city cant get DSL via verizon, fios is a pipe dream, and the RCN buildout stopped. So, some of us just have one option, even in the city!
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amarryat
Verizon FiOS
join:2005-05-02
Marshfield, MA | Re: Overstated and Boston's muni wifi plan fizzled out just like everywhere else. | |
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| nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
1 edit | So, some of us just have one option, even in the city!
[sarcasm]you're obviously a disgruntled, lying consumer since that map shows the Boston area has "three or more competitors"[/sarcasm]
unless you interpret "three or more competitors" to mean "three or more different companies that offer service somewhere in the city, but not necessarily in the same area as another service provider" | |
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join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA
| Re: Overstated Hm? RCN is an overbuilder, so their area overlaps others. Verizon and Comcast overlap. Yes, there are parts of the city that have 3 or more providers to choose from... it's just not the entire city.
Boston is probably screwed when it comes to FiOS- they held out for some sort of better promise to prevent feared "redlining", and now VZ's resources on urban deployment will be focused on NYC for the foreseeable future... | |
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Tier 4
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join:2008-04-30
Middleboro, MA
clubs: | wasting more money Why should my tax dollars go to pay for another community not having internet!
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join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA
·Verizon FIOS
1 edit | Re: wasting more money Actually they're municpal bonds, although I didn't look into weather they're revenue (guaranteed only by the assets) or general obligation (guaranteed by the total taxable base). Regardless YOUR tax dollars are going to much less worthy things in this "great" state. I believe there will be a question on the ballot this year to eliminate the 5.3% income tax, perhaps you should vote for that.
Other tidbits:
In the 95 communities with either limited or no broadband availability whatsoever, more than 220,000 households and over 25,000 businesses lack adequate broadband. Studies show that communities with broadband access experience measurable increases in jobs, business expansion and property values. Other broadband-enabled benefits include improvements in public safety and access to health care, educational opportunities and civic participation. Additionally, the new law will create efficiencies across municipal and state government. The Department of Revenue estimates that the commonwealth will save $300,000 annually once every town hall can conduct its business online.
"For far too long, residents of the communities I represent have been blocked from the on-ramp to the information superhighway," said state Sen. Benjamin B. Downing, D-Pittsfield. "Today we see true progress, backed by a $40 million state investment, to bring broadband to Western Massachusetts. It has been a pleasure working with my colleagues in the delegation and the Patrick administration to secure swift passage of this legislation, and I look forward to continuing our collaborations to achieve of our collective goal: universal broadband access in all of Massachusetts." | |
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join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: wasting more money I'm an independent, and the Republicans are just as bad. Don't bother blaming political swaths. Romney's Universal Healthcare has been the biggest wealth transfer this state has ever seen, and we haven't even seen the tip of the ice-berg.
I have no problem with Municipal revenue bonds. It's the investors taking risks, with the state foregoing taxes (on the project) in order to target the capital investment. | |
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@direcpc.com | You don't know how lucky you are. | |
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