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| Re: MD state government - one of the worst in the country. I am not saying they are right, but my guess is that to lay this fiber, they have to dig. IE they will be disturbing said wetlands by having to dig up areas and lay the fiber underground. There go, you have an issue. You are disturbing protected areas by having to bring in heavy machinery, which also causes further damage beyond the digging. This is probably the issue at hand. My guess, this agency wants to impose fees so they can restore the damage afterwards. By all means, that's a valid argument. You must restore what you disturbed. However, we can't expect people from the south to care much about the environment now can we. That's a liberal idea sort of like global warming and the fact bees are disappearing. It's witchery I tell you. | |
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USA | Re: MD state government - one of the worst in the country. The company needs to fix the damage, not some government agency. | |
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| Re: MD state government - one of the worst in the country. However, it will be that GOVERNMENT agency who will end up facing the burden. Do you believe for one moment the company is going to fix their damage if NOT MADE TO? The Environmental agency figures they will get STUCK with the job anyway. They might as well collect the bill for having to do it. Tax payers shouldn't be the ones to foot it. This company should. Therefore, I have got no gripe against taxing them in favor the the damage their work will cause. | |
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| Re: MD state government - one of the worst in the country. The GOVERNMENT agancy will do the least amount of work possible in actually getting something productive DONE. I've seen it time and time again. The money is eaten up in the administrative costs. I'm tired of taxes. Everything becomes a "resource" grab, and it's out of control. | |
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| said by SomeDude11 :
Currenty, we are blessed with one of the worst administrations in the history of MD. Nothing surprises me concerning this state and it's current state of affairs.
MD is like the size of many counties. How complicated can it be to run a state that size? MD should just merge with VA or something. | |
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| Re: MD state government - one of the worst in the country. said by BF69  :said by SomeDude11 :
Currenty, we are blessed with one of the worst administrations in the history of MD. Nothing surprises me concerning this state and it's current state of affairs.
MD is like the size of many counties. How complicated can it be to run a state that size? MD should just merge with VA or something. You're think of Washington, DC.... I doubt there is any county in TN as big as Maryland.... The largest County in the U.S. is San Bernardino County, CA... It may be larger than Rhode Island, but not Maryland.
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| Re: MD state government - one of the worst in the country. said by EPS :Because all our federal taxes go out to subsidize western states, of course... As a person who has lived all over the United States, What are you talking about? | |
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| The land area of Marylnad is less than 10,000 sq miles.
»www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0108223.html
The land area of San Bernardino County in CA is: 20,160 sq miles. The figure given in the link is not the same as given in a Wikipedia article, but regardless of which figure is used, the area exceeds 20,000 sq miles.
»www.co.san-bernardino.ca.us/facts.htm
I'm pretty sure that if you did a search of counties in the US, including Texas and other counties in CA, you'd find a few more that are larger than the State of Maryland in terms of area. A quick check shows that Inyo County in CA is over 10,000 sq miles in area. That's mostly desert and mountains, which can also be said of San Bernardino County and quite a few other counties in CA.
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| Re: MD state government - one of the worst in the country. It's not the area which is the problem, but rather the footprint of MD that makes running the fiber so difficult. Not many, if any, counties are spread out like MD. Add to that the Chesapeake Bay splitting it in half makes it difficult to get fiber to the eastern half. Part of this plan put on hold was to run fiber underneath the Bay Bridge. I'm sure the Baltimore/DC corridor is easy to outfit with fiber, and most of it already is with FIOS and Comcast's network. But stretching to the Atlantic and well into the Appalachians is where the task becomes daunting. | |
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| No thanks. I live in VA for a reason, because it's not Maryland or DC. I don't want Maryland with it's crime, taxes, anti-gun laws and stupid politicians in my state.
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| Re: MD state government - one of the worst in the country. As guns solve everything, right? That's why under this current administration crime has flat lined and increased in many areas since the assault rifle ban and other initiatives under Clinton expired. Don't believe me, check the FBI statistics. As per taxes, well gee, we all hate them. Then again, the south wouldn't have SQUAT if it weren't for the North. Yes, that's right. The North pays the taxes (and majority of them), which the SOUTH doesn't mind using. I guess you don't mind your roads, schools, public utilities, and hospitals. All of which are funded by public dollars / federal dollars. Yet, the South has their hand in the till the most. If it were up to me, we would let you guys rot in the stone age. Why should the NORTH fund projects like the Tenn. Valley Authority? We did after all. Then again, we're just a bunch of stupid liberals, who you guys don't seem to mind MOOCHING off us. Ah yes, when it comes to marriages and teen pregnancy, we have the lowest in both.... And you wondered why we made the mistake of having the civil war..We didn't gain much by keeping you guys, thats for sure.
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| Re: MD state government - one of the worst in the country. said by jc100 :... The North pays the taxes (and majority of them), which the SOUTH doesn't mind using. I guess you don't mind your roads, schools, public utilities, and hospitals. All of which are funded by public dollars / federal dollars. Yet, the South has their hand in the till the most. Living in the south all I see now is Northerns moving in. So is there anyone left up there ? Are you just ranting cause you're snowed in right now and can't head south too? | |
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| Re: MD state government - one of the worst in the country. Um, population wise buddy, the NORTH far out paces the south. Strange how that works...Older people tend to be snowbirds but guess what, most end up only sticking around the south for a few months. I guess that's about as much as they can tolerate anyway. Then again, you guys shouldn't have anything down there but swamps and trees. After all, if it wasn't for the north, all those fine things such as electricity, hospitals, roads, schools wouldn't exist because we fund them. Therefore, we have EVERY right to snowbird down there. We paid for those luxuries you enjoy. | |
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| There are too many taxes today. I've lived in every region of the U.S. The East coast states, including Maryland, are very expensive. They are relatively higher than any other region in my experience. You are nickled & dimed for everything you do. I'm suprised you all don't rebel. It's like the mob, except they're sanctioned because they do the sanctioning.... | |
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| Re: MD state government - one of the worst in the country. That money they pay is gladly used by the slacking southern states who for many reasons can't get off their asses or fund their own initiatives. The North's taxes should stay there and in their respective states. We shouldn't be left footing the bill for the fools down south who don't want to pony up the cash, but love the initiatives the taxes pay for (Northerners taxes that is). Therefore, I say we start a campaign to make southern states repay northern taxpayers and from here on out give them NOTHING back beyond what their citizens pay. How about them apples? | |
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| Re: MD state government - one of the worst in the country. What are you talking about?
Believe-you-me, I'm not a big fan of the South either. I got out of there after Katrina.
What Southern States are you talking about SPECIFICALLY? I've lived in California, Nevada, Utah, LOUISIANA, Wisconsin, Illinois, Ohio, D.C., Maryland... They all get their fair of federal money... They all have varying levels of taxes... Specifically, in Louisiana, they didn't tax me as much as Maryland or D.C does for income, roads, food, or pretty much anything else... Yet there are good quality roads in great condition for me to drive upon and you don't have to pay a huge toll every day. Actually, most of the states I've lived in don't charge as many tolls as Maryland for so-so condition roads.
This brings me back to the original topic. I don't think the state needs an more of 'OUR' money to waste. Putting up fiber is no big deal. | |
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join:2002-04-10 | Re: MD state government - one of the worst in the country. Try scrolling up a bit and finding my link where it tells who receives the most federal HANDOUTS. It should be noticed, most of t hose same states contribute the LEAST to the pot they take from. | |
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| Re: MD state government - one of the worst in the country. Just because the State gets a handout doesn't mean the people do. Be mad at the state. I know in Louisiana corruption was rampant & money wasn't spent where it was supposed to be spent when I lived there.
Further more, what do other states and where money goes have to do with why "MD state government - one of the worst in the country"???
What I'm getting out of this is basically, Maryland must levy x amount in (silly) taxes because they're giving so much, more than their fair share, to those damned lazy losers "Southerners"...
Which Southerners? I also saw Ohio and Indiana on the "bad list" link... Some may consider that "Southern" but I don't... Nevada is on there too. I think that you've just found out which states are better at getting their paws on the pot. Maybe Maryland, New York, & Mass should take some lessons on getting money into their state?
I think you're being defensive. It's okay and I understand. I like the environment too, and I may be a little more willing to give some of MY money if I thought it would actually go to help preserve the wetlands.
Those of us without this D.C./Maryland/Virginia fighting thing going around here just all of these crazy high taxes and fees as getting taken advantage of from yet another "someone else".
Stat of Maryland, Don't tax something that creates value in your community and doesn't cause any damage. | |
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| Re: MD state government - one of the worst in the country. Yes, but did you bother looking at the MAJORITY of the list? I don't care who Lobbies the best. That's an aside issue. So are you justifying X state paying the least amount but getting the most? That seems ass backwards to me. Also, if you look back at projects like the Tennessee Valley Authority and other major things (Reconstruction, etc) the North footed the bill for those. Why? We had NO OBLIGATION to help. Merely, we chose to. However, we need to STOP choosing too and let you guys pay your own way. Screw the socializing the south. You guys WHINE AND MOAN about how you hate socialism and everything government mandated. By god, we should let you live up to that. We will let your hospitals close, schools go under, etc when that funding stops. I guess you'll then moan about how you want the government stepping right back in. See, it's a two way street. The south is a two faced part of the U.S. Whines nonstop about things, but enjoys them anyway.
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| said by jc100 :As guns solve everything, right? That's why under this current administration crime has flat lined and increased in many areas since the assault rifle ban and other initiatives under Clinton expired. Don't believe me, check the FBI statistics. There is a total ban on guns in DC yet gun crime is high. Explain that.
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| The NAS did a study that said the Brady Bill did shit...so your beloved anti-Gun president and his shill of a wife accomplished nothing in the way of preventing crime. The did put into effect a bad law though...
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| said by bentman78 :No thanks. I live in VA for a reason, because it's not Maryland or DC. I don't want Maryland with it's crime, taxes, anti-gun laws and stupid politicians in my state. There are no Anti gun laws in MD, its quite easy to obtain a permit to own a gun. Concealed carry permits, while they do exist in MD, are almost impossible to get though | |
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| Re: MD state government - one of the worst in the country. we have Moran...a moron. Your property taxes are much higher. If you are saying the crime rate in Arlington and Alexandria is even close to PG County you smoke crack...
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| I don't live there but my department at work is based in Maryland and many of my co-workers live there. It is a very liberal state, very pro-environmental-regulation, pro-big-government, pro-taxation. It shares a border and access to DC with Virginia, which is pretty much the opposite. Guess where the economic growth and wealth is? It's because of anti-growth and anti-business attitudes in Maryland.
This incident is just symptomatic of what you'll get when you trust government to manage everything for you and make life and the world wonderful.
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| Government run amok? This is just another silly "by-the-book" reading of the rules. If the law (made by legislators elected by us) is bad then it should be changed. If the rule (made by bureaucrats not accountable to the public) is bad then they should be challenged and made to be reasonable. Putting fiber across existing structures shouldn't trigger the protection rules.
I think we're becoming a nation of laws without common sense. The poor kid that got suspended for 3 days for buying candy in school is just the latest example.
Surely we can write laws that protect what needs to be protected without causing unintended harm. In our society where someone will sue anyone for anything makes common sense difficult because by definition common sense is subjective. Still, we should be able to be reasonable in our laws (rules). | |
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| Silver Lining... I guess now that we got a massive tax hike... we finally are getting the government we paid for.
And again, is it too much to ask that any Maryland-related article at least use the state flag, and/or a crab as an icon? 
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Floral Park, NY | ring around maryland... If they don't want it.. they could just run the fiber elsewhere and they don't get any benefit from local builds.. some other community will benefit.. there are plenty of communities lining up for fiber deployment in their broadband black holes.. | |
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The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts
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| Re: MD Sucks said by cairey :This and the tech tax on tech services. Give me a break. I hate MD. So much for wanting to start a business here. Then LEAVE.
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| Re: MD Sucks said by Cuchulainn :Then LEAVE.
I did, just a mile or two over the mason dixon line some years ago. I started the process of starting an internet services business last year. Many of my local customers are in carroll county and ideally the business would be in CC too. Once the tech tax passed in the early morning hours of the special session without debate or discussion I quickly made the decision to base the business out of PA.
Last fall, work was halted because the Department of the Environment decided the cooperative needed $1-a-foot annual permits to cross wetlands such as rivers, even though the lines are going along existing roads.
If this project is anything like the fiber project I have been involved in, the fiber is usually hung on poles owned by BGE or Verizon, or run thru their conduit. Poles that carry electric, phone and usually cabtv cables. I would be interested to know if these fiber runs are using current infrastructure. If it is then I call BS on what the DoE was trying to do.
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| I guess I'll have to. I'm 19, in college here, but since O'Malley wants to give instate tuition to illegals, I may have to pay more on that front too. Also considering the two jobs I work are tech-related (as it stands now they will be taxed) I'll be paying more for my education while being taxed even more via the only means I earn a living. Add that onto the sales tax increase, and I'm now running a deficit. Thanks O'Schmuck! | |
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Surfinusa
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| said by Cuchulainn :said by cairey :This and the tech tax on tech services. Give me a break. I hate MD. So much for wanting to start a business here. Then LEAVE. Drove through MD several times never stopped but I wouldn't say its a bad place since they are trying to string up fiber sounds nice to me.
However, Sounds like you have issues with anyone who has a problem with MD.
Honestly I don't agree with your statement regarding Florida. Like other members stated FL is a transient place people from all over come and retire or just transplant themselves to FL.
Look at OJ he loves his place, thanks to FL laws they can't take his house in a civil suit.
Other than FL, NY , CA , TX , MD all have their problems.
Labeling is a bad thing its as bad as being prejudice.
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| I'll Take MD over FL or VA Any Damn Day It's rich to have people from FloriDUH criticizing MD. On any positive measure of success - literacy, per capita income, education, livability etc. we have it head and shoulders over you. Yes, we're a liberal state (Roscoe "P. Coltrane" Bartlett aside) so it's no surprise we're educated, rich and successful, unlike you inbred, Bible-thumping trailer-living, six-toed folks in FL. We'd vote to sell your festering state back to Spain in a heartbeat.
And as for the "comment" that somehow VA and DC have better growth rates than MD, allow me to retort. DC is much more liberal than MD and has nothing like the economic prosperity we do. And as for VA, I'd stack our per capita income against theirs any day.
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| Protect the environment, but ... Funny how none of the otherwise environmentalists complained about the law until it affected installation of high speed internet. 
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| Highway... So there's a highway running through these wetlands and running a 1" (or for the sake of argument even 12" diameter) piece of fiber and conduit next to this highway is going to be an environmental problem?
Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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| Welcome to your enviromental Nightmare Try being upstate new york in the "protected" mountians.
took two major accidents with a few dozen deaths on the highway for them to finally approve a cell tower....since both times no one could call for help. they actually had to drive to the police sub station..where there was still no signal
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| priorities.. It won't be long before interest in eastern corridor fiber deployment moves west.. and if Maryland wants to be left behind.. that's fine with the rest of us.. much of what we do on the internet makes any ONE Atlantic state almost irrelevant.. except to those who live there and actually want something more than dialup..
Most businesses that utilize the internet go where it is cheap & plentiful. So, those dollars will also go elsewhere. Any state which wants to shoot itself in the foot this bad WILL suffer the consequences. There's even more pressure on AT&T to give southern states a leg-up on fiber deployments... and if they don't, they risk losing part of that footprint to Verizon. | |
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| Bet this isn't the full story I'm betting more than stringing fiber vs environment this has more to do with some internal bureaucrat or political personalties either wanting to show their clout, personal conflict between heads of depts. Someone that's for the coop didn't vote for someone else's pet project etc... I'm just betting theres more to this story than what's being reported. | |
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| Re: Bet this isn't the full story Chances are it is indeed a bureaucracy battle, with one of those being a *keep rural areas rural* using the infamous *quality of life* argument.
More often than not, the real reason for the opposition to such issues is resistance to increasing property values, which will lead to increased property taxes (value creep) which invariably leads to property sales (to developers) which leads to further growth. This is also the same area of the state that is home to Maryland's deadliest highway (and it's not I-95, but MD 404, including the duplex with MD 313). Despite all the deaths, there has been virulent (and at times rather vociferous) resistance to improving or dualizing MD 404 (and the duplex with MD 313), due to the fear of more people moving into the area. They are insisting on remaining rural, and are perfectly willing to pay in the blood of their fellow residents.
I'm a Maryland resident (though I was not born in the state, except for two years, I've always called Maryland home), and have traveled along MD 404 (including the duplex with MD 313), and I have seriously wondered about the attitudes of some of my fellow Old Line State residents. | |
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Maryland Broadband Held Up By Environmental Laws
