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| Re: h mmm...... actually James Cameron took a pay cut if i remeber for the movie on his own reconisense to finish it.
on another note its funny the RIAA scum bags can come of with a figure so quick when they sue someone but it takes forever for the artist to get there money. that's just a little to ironic. | |
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| Nice guys I guess those artists really don't care where that money came from. That makes you look as bad as the RIAA. Maybe they didn't realize that the RIAA is basically the same as any class action lawyer, by which the lawyer walks away with a nice fat percentage of the award and the people affected are lucky to get $50 each.
Squabbling over money that was probably set aside by those kid's parents for college, real nice. --
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| Re: Nice guys said by rawgerz :I guess those artists really don't care where that money came from. That makes you look as bad as the RIAA. Maybe they didn't realize that the RIAA is basically the same as any class action lawyer, by which the lawyer walks away with a nice fat percentage of the award and the people affected are lucky to get $50 each. Squabbling over money that was probably set aside by those kid's parents for college, real nice. so true | |
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| What we really meant . . . quote: "the money has just been delayed due to the complexity of figuring out how to divvy it up"
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| Re: What we really meant . . . said by newview : quote: "the money has just been delayed due to the complexity of figuring out how to divvy it up"
Translation:We haven't figured out a legal way to screw the artists completely and keep all the money for ourselves. No. they don't know how to divvy up the money. The fines collected were not tied to music downloaded on specific artists. So, how do they decide who gets how much? No matter how they split it, some artists are going to feel they deserved a bigger piece of the money than other artists. I'd bet money that that is what is holding everything up. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page | |
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| Re: What we really meant . . . said by TK Junk Mail :said by newview : quote: "the money has just been delayed due to the complexity of figuring out how to divvy it up"
Translation:We haven't figured out a legal way to screw the artists completely and keep all the money for ourselves. No. they don't know how to divvy up the money. The fines collected were not tied to music downloaded on specific artists. So, how do they decide who gets how much? No matter how they split it, some artists are going to feel they deserved a bigger piece of the money than other artists. I'd bet money that that is what is holding everything up. Oh please - that argument is cliched and clueless. -- The Toll
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join:2004-07-21 Eugene, OR | Re: What we really meant . . . Exactly what i was thinking. Wonder what kind of interest you could get off 400 mill. Sorry we dont have all the 400 mill in one place we have it diversified in our RIAA portfolio. | |
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join:2000-09-13 Hazelwood, MO | Re: What we really meant . . . They should because if they had to take you to court for it they would have to have specific songs that you were distributing. The court rarely works on broad terms and with this it would certainly require specifics. | |
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| Your argument holds no weight. For the RIAA to file suit against you, they need to know the title/artist of the song you had illegally on your hard drive. The have to provide that to the ISP and the court to process the suit. The RIAA has a complete list of which songs were downloaded. They know who the money belongs to. They are just being money-grubbing hounds. They are screwing over the artists that they say they are protecting. | |
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| said by TK Junk Mail :The fines collected were not tied to music downloaded on specific artists. So, how do they decide who gets how much? They should have figured that out before collecting the fines. | |
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| said by TK Junk Mail :said by newview : quote: "the money has just been delayed due to the complexity of figuring out how to divvy it up"
Translation:We haven't figured out a legal way to screw the artists completely and keep all the money for ourselves. No. they don't know how to divvy up the money. The fines collected were not tied to music downloaded on specific artists. So, how do they decide who gets how much? No matter how they split it, some artists are going to feel they deserved a bigger piece of the money than other artists. I'd bet money that that is what is holding everything up. Sorry TK, but I think you are WAAYY off here. For each count that the RIAA took an individual to court for, they had to have a song/artist name. So for each settlement, they have a list of the infringements. Then its a simple percentage math.
The Fat-Cats are just stalling to either make money on intererst, or to swindle teh artists. If the RIAA tries to say that most of teh money offsets the cost of litigation, then they are REALLY screwing around people. They said they were getting the money in the name of hte artists. The legal fees were just the cost of business. AT BEST all they can claim for themselves is the same percentage they take in direct sales of media (be it downloads, CD sales, or such) -- If ya gotta go, Go with a SMILE! »www.thereligionofpeace.com/ | |
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| Re: What we really meant . . . Almost all of this money was from private settlements through there telemarketing/direct mail centers though. There's only been one case to see court if I'm not mistaken. A few handfuls of those were reported to have severely incorrect information, so who knows how poorly the suit selection process actually was. | |
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| said by TK Junk Mail :said by newview : quote: "the money has just been delayed due to the complexity of figuring out how to divvy it up"
Translation:We haven't figured out a legal way to screw the artists completely and keep all the money for ourselves. No. they don't know how to divvy up the money. The fines collected were not tied to music downloaded on specific artists. So, how do they decide who gets how much? No matter how they split it, some artists are going to feel they deserved a bigger piece of the money than other artists. I'd bet money that that is what is holding everything up. And I thought you were smarter than this.
All you have to do is look at the records and see what songs they accused people of downloading. If that song was part of the complaint, then that artist gets the money. Of course, if record keeping wasn't so good, then that could be another case.  | |
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| "excessive"? bit of editorializing here ... OK, KathrynV, you call this "news". So stay objective, and drop biased statements, like whether or not the "fines" are "excessive". Just report the amounts, and let the readership judge. In most cases, that's a more effective way to make the point, anyway.
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| Actually... ...instead of either side getting greedy about the money, donate it to some charities. | |
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| how to split it up have you all seen a copy of one of those stupid ass letters from the RIAA? it clearly states that xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx ip downloaded copywrighted material, then proceeds to give a list of what was downloaded and when.
so they can do all that, but cant decide how to split it up between the artists? BULLSHIT!!! | |
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| You know what that means. I guess I should start suing people for illegal file sharing as well if the RIAA is. If the RIAA is doing this on behalf of the artists then they should have already started paying all of them they are suing for. Or maybe we should make an organization to sue the RIAA on behalf of the artists who are not getting any money, or better yet sue on behalf of the people who are getting harassed by the RIAA. -- I get 29 MPG in my Toyota Highlander Hybrid! | |
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| Legal fees The reality is that much of the money was used to support a very expensive legal team. The artists that they were supposed to protect are not getting much if anything but I assure you that the legal fees have been paid. Has anyone inquired how much they paid to outside counsel? | |
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| Re: Legal fees the legal fees are the cost of doing business. The ONLY way the RIAA can keep a penny is if they use the same formulae they use on sales. legal fees are independant of ALL of that.
If you sue BillyBob for $10 but it costs you $9 to get it in legal fees, you dont get $19 from BillyBob (unless thats PART of the judgement). Now, if you are suing BillyBob in Amy's name, because BillyBob owes Amy $5, and you project $5 for your "operational" costs, and you win $10, but it costs you $9 in legal fees, then you STILL owe Amy $5. That $9 came out of your pocket... -- If ya gotta go, Go with a SMILE! »www.thereligionofpeace.com/ | |
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| Re: Great news The RIAA as we know it is in a downward spiral. Becoming more and more irrelevant. It is only struggling and hanging on from law suits, not from "representing artists." Now that the news is out that artists are not even getting anything from the lawsuits, makes the RIAA even more irrelevant. The artists need to find a company that envelopes new technology to distribute songs. Many artists have already broken rank from the "big guys" in favor of the little guys to get songs out. The RIAA as we know them are done...... they just don't know it. -- "If you obey all the rules, you miss all the fun"
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Why should the artists expect any money from these settlements?
The artists (for the most part) no longer own the works in question that are being infringed. These works belong to the RIAA member companies and those companies are free to do with this money anything they wish. -- This isn't fair! I was only supposed to hate just ONE presidential candidate! | |
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| Individuals.......probably not I think one thing that everyone is missing here is that most of the millions that have been collected have not came from individuals. Doesn't anyone remember Napster or mp3.com paying out the nose to settle? -- Most of what I know about computers.......I learned on Broadband Reports.  | |
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