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join:2001-12-24
Canada | Never successful? Um... more scare tatics.
Did any of the lawsuits went through? I didn't think so...
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Wildomar, CA | boo hoo let's all cry for the poor tv shows that they give out for FREE anyway. | |
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Wadsworth, IL | Re: boo hoo Right -- I'm willing to bet that majority of folks sucking down those TV programs subscribe to one cable service or another. They have already paid for them... | |
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clubs: | They don't give the TV show out, they give a .torrent file much like a .txt file just with a list of IPs with the TV program. | |
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Wadsworth, IL | Re: boo hoo Uhhh... That fact didn't escape me.... but thanks for the information. | |
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Jasper, TX | Yet the sites are gone the suit had their desired effect. The sites are gone, and getting shows online is made more difficult
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| Re: Yet the sites are gone Actually, new and better ones are springing up to replace them already. btefnet and the others will be back.
5 Great Replacement sites to piss off the MPAA Trolls!
»www.torrentspy.com/
»www.myspleen.net/
»www.torrentreactor.net/
»www.isohunt.com/
»www.thepiratesbay.org/
Now, my FAVORITE part of all of this, is that reselling TV shows with the commercials removed is now 100% LEGAL !
Don't believe me? Read:
The Family Entertainment and Copyright Act of 2005
This bill provided an affirmative right for those who used technology to skip objectionable material, such as profanity, violence, or other adult material, in the audio / video works that they legally purchased or recorded. This is a right that most believe manufacturers of technology and consumers already have. Additionally, technology manufacturers must provide a notice at the beginning each showing of the “altered” content stating that “the motion picture is altered from the performance intended by the director or copyright holder of the motion picture.”
commercials for viagra and feminine products offend me, so I want TV shows without those ads I find offensive. Guess what, downloading a version of a show I LEGALLY RECORDED on my VHS/DVD/VCR/Tivo/etc is now 100% legal if the commercials have been removed.
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1 edit | Re: Yet the sites are gone 2005-05-13 - IMPORTANT: MySpleen may stop what its currently doing. Click here and post your thoughts
thepiratesbay.org
This domain may be for sale by its owner! More details...
Of course this is just a listing of download sites.
None of them have rss feeds that I can find. That is why I say it is now harder to get the shows you want. Azureus plugins would check the feeds then download the shows with no interaction on my part once I set up the filters.
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Bonne Terre, MO | Re: Yet the sites are gone Why do you think its harder just because they don't have RSS feed? lol
All you do is go to site, click on show you want. ta ta! Its easier than ever. Just the way it should be | |
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| Re: Yet the sites are gone said by markopoleo  :Why do you think its harder just because they don't have RSS feed? lol All you do is go to site, click on show you want. ta ta! Its easier than ever. Just the way it should be No, it is go to the site find show you want among all the shows that are available, probably clicking on two or three links before I get to the file I want. Then I have to click on the file link so that it will be downloaded. Then I must wait for the file to download.
You compare that to having a computer download it while I am asleep or at work, with NO INTERACTION on my part after setting up the filter. When I get up in the morning my shows are waiting for me to watch them. With an rss feed, it is as easy as email.
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Bonne Terre, MO | Re: Yet the sites are gone Well your just to lazy, torrents normally show up within a hour after show is aired. | |
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Jasper, TX | Re: Yet the sites are gone and within a few hours I had them with NO ACTION on my part, almost as easy as turning on the tv set
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| Re: Yet the sites are gone No, it is go to the site find show you want among all the shows that are available, probably clicking on two or three links before I get to the file I want. Then I have to click on the file link so that it will be downloaded.
If it's this hard for you to get a torrent of a web page it must have taken you hours to set up your "automated" system. | |
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| Re: Yet the sites are gone said by don a lee:
If it's this hard for you to get a torrent of a web page it must have taken you hours to set up your "automated" system. nope,
just copy rss feed url in Azureus feed scanner, right click on torrent name and choose create filter. A total of about 10 minutes to set up filters for 15 or so tv shows. Then I never have to mess with it again. Until the feeds died. 
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join:2004-01-17
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| Re: Yet the sites are gone Double WRONG AGAIN Mr. MPAA troll.
It's NOT ILLEGAL to sell the modified content! That was SPECIFICALLY addressed in the LAW if you read it, but trolls don't read the law, they just spew what their MPAA masters tell them to.
»www.cleanfilms.com/
»www.familyflix.com/
But the 'family movie' provision, championed by US Representative Lamar Smith (Republican, Texas), Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee's Internet and Intellectual Property Subcommittee, indemnifies any company that makes prudish versions of movies available without authorization.
The ARE 100% legal until a court decides otherwise.
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1 edit | Re: Yet the sites are gone Troll? Hardly. Take a deep breath and relax.
Clearly, you're allowed to edit content that you have purchased. Now you're legally allowed to buy the content and have someone perform the editing for you.
The point is that you still have to buy the content before you can edit it.
What you can't do is buy a single copy of a film, edit it, and then resell it many times as though it were your content. | |
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join:2004-01-17
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| Re: Yet the sites are gone You are correct.
But, a TV show on an over-air broadcast that you record. The million dollar question is thus "Did you 'purchase' that show when you recorded it?". Remember, they are going after TV distribution sites here, not movie sites.
The goverment 'grants the broadcasters the permission' to broadcast their vast wasteland over the public airwaves, but the other side of that implied contract is that (1) it can't be encrypted, and (2) the end users have a RIGHT to recieve it, and the thing that pisses the MPAA off, (3) the end users have a RIGHT to record/backup the show for personal use. I would argue that the act of legally recording the show on a legally owned recording device does in fact construe a 'purchase contract', and you can LEGALLY remove the crap from a show you don't like. (in fact, that's exactly what the Family Movie Act is trying to get across).
Problem is, the Family Movie act threw all of those rights into limbo, and not really by choice, by allowing 'editing of content for personal viewing'. Technically, the law was written to benefit ONE COMPANY that made the device, but the wording of the law allows other people to provide the service to a 'responsible party of a household'. So, you capture the show, legally. Then you choose to have a device remove the offensive content, or have someone do it for you. That's specifically allowed in the law.
Granted, you can't get a DVD from an over-air broadcast, you would need to purchase it, but NON-CABLE shows (NBC/etc) are broadcast over air, and in the process of recording the show, I legally 'own' the show, and can legally 'modify' the show to meet my moral standards (or have someone else do it). That's not what the MPAA wanted in the law, but hey, sucks to be the MPAA. Remember, they wanted the 'no-copy' bit for the sole purpose of preventing step 1 of this process (i.e. recording the show). If they had their way, you would pay them every time you even thought of a jingle or ad. Remember 1984, it's closer than we think.
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| Umm as far as your Tivo comment goes.
Well, they DO have a DVR that classifies commercials as 'objectionable'. It's called the Replay 4000. I own 3 of them, and they BLOW TIVO AWAY. No commercials, ever.. It rocks.
Too bad the MPAA trolls sued the crap out of Replay TV to make them illegal now.
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Shrinking Time and Distance
join:2001-08-18
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| Re: Foreign TV? said by tiger72 :said by banditws6 :What about small-time Asian TV shows from my wife's home country that will never be aired in international markets? those are unaffected by the MPAA. What about British shows. Say the new Dr. Who?? I was reading where the BC was even going to make them available via download:
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Watching A Dream
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| I would think That if the FCC was shot down with regards to this, the MPAA wouldnt have much luck either.
»Court Tosses FCC 'Broadcast Flag'
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Go Colts
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join:2003-05-14
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| Re: I would think How do you figure? The Supreme Court tossed the flag because they found that the FCC had no authority to impose the flag. The MPAA has the right to go after the sites because they (technically their members) own the copyright to the works that are distributed via the torrents.
There is an argument that the torrent sites aren't actually hosting the file, they are mearly just telling you how to get it. Is it a valid argument? Remains to be seen. But there is at least an issue. | |
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trparky
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1 edit | Obviously, there is a demand for this.... Obviously, there is a demand for downloadable television shows on the Internet. The fact that you can download 95% of any television show that is produced either on one of the file sharing networks, BitTorrent, and the newsgroups specifically state that there is a huge demand for this.
So, I ask you, why is the MPAA shooting themselves in the foot just like the RIAA was doing and is still doing?
I am sure that the concept behind paid-for music sites like MSN Music can be easily applied to television shows. $2.50 a download, I would pay that for a good, high quality show downloads.
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| Re: Obviously, there is a demand for this.... said by trparky :So, I ask you, why is the MPAA shooting themselves in the foot just like the RIAA was doing and is still doing? I am sure that the concept behind paid-for music sites like MSN Music can be easily applied to television shows. $2.50 a download, I would pay that for a good, high quality show downloads. But aren't they going after the sites that distribute the content for free? | |
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| Re: Obviously, there is a demand for this.... Yes, but I have not yet seen sites that offer legal TV show downloads, only movies.
I want TV shows such as Stargate SG1, Stargate Atlantis, Battlestar Galactica (the new series), The West Wing, etc.
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Aggie Dan
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join:2001-01-30
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| Exactly. My whole point to downloading TV shows is that there are many more options when watching TV nowadays. Gone are the days of the major networks where everyone essentially watched the same thing. And before, there were so few cable shows that the majority of people still watched the major broadcasters for most of their TV viewing. And so it was easy to find a friend or coworker that taped something you might have missed.
Recently, I had to get the entire season of Gilmore Girls for my wife. Well, I couldn't seem to get either episode 15 or 16. I can't recall which. Some URLopen error. Anyways... She was able to get completely caught up and now is a drone that ensures that she is home by 7 PM so she can watch it as it airs. No commercial skipping. Just glued to the TV absorbing every single commercial.
If they want to make money off of DVD sales then start putting the DVDs out before the next season starts. But they are less likely to do THAT (despite the fact that getting caught up before the new season starts would increase viewership) because they are putting them through reruns.
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@bellsouth.ne | Re: Obviously, there is a demand for this.... You can buy the entire season of Gilmore Girls, 24, The Sheild, Buffy, Angel, etc., etc. @ Sams Club right now for $16.99 to $19.99. Specifically Gilmore Girls was $19.99 @ my local Sams Club (La). | |
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| Re: Obviously, there is a demand for this.... said by DaveNJ :Hollywoood is stupid, Hmmm people like to download shows and watch them..Lets stop them!!!!. Let see maybe if they made these show available over the internet, or VOD, entire seasons of show people would watch them, and get more adverstising dollars ? ? Hollywood MPAA *aa are all stupid and deserve to loose money. They keep attacking all forms of revenue. Video-On-Demand of an entire season would be awesome. HBO and Showtime are already doing it on some cable systems. If only the networks would do the same, it would be so much better than watching re-runs over the summer. | |
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| Re: Obviously, there is a demand for this.... Yeah, that's one of the things that bug me about VOD systems on cable is that you have a limited # of shows you can see ~50 and after a while (~month) they remove the old shows and put up new ones. As I see it, they should make available every show known to man kind up there! Heck, even charge a quarter to see the old shows and make a profit! | |
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| Re: Obviously, there is a demand for this.... While the cost of hard drive space continues to come down, do a back of the envelope calculation and imagine what it would cost to build a video server to hold ALL shows. Oh wait, you said EVERY AVAILABLE SHOW and then sell a view of each of them for only 25 cents.
I use to run the technology for a cable system, and the costs involved in running VOD is very expensive. This is not just a big set of hard drives on some computer people, but VERY fast servers that can STREAM video on demand to thousands upon thousands of people all at the same time. If you are not clear on the concept, take your 4 GHz Pentium IV with the best and fastest hard drives you can get, and see how many video streams you can send over a network until it bogs down and makes them all bad.
Use your head people. A great idea, sure, but the costs involved in building, running, powering and maintaining such a system, NOT to mention the cost of filling it with content (no, they would not simply get the same caps you get on torrents) would be prohibitive. Why do you think PPV and VOD is $4? Not just greed, but the cost of running such a system is expensive, and there is little profit in it for the cable operator. The reason the do it is to make their system different and better than the competitors (like satellite) so they keep the subscriber.
Sure, I could build a system for a cabel company, but I would venture a guess that a show would have to cost more like $2 an episode to make it worth the company's time and effort. | |
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| Re: Obviously, there is a demand for this.... VoD would be a good way to go, would it need to be presented in the same way you are, no... just use something similar to BitTorrent, and stream the videos... the company would save tons of bandwidth, and resolve a lot of issues of video streaming... I last saw that there was a BitTorrent client that would allow the shows to stream as you downloaded it. | |
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juilinsandar
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| HBO and Showtime on demand are "free" with subscription to their respective premium channels so there is a kind of pay for play going on there.
I for one wouldn't mind paying the networks a monthly fee for at least the same access to their primetime shows that the premium channels give via VOD.
I really enjoyed the premiums on VOD when I had the Digipic 4000 package with Time Warner cable, and it's really the only thing I miss since I switched to SBC|DISH. | |
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join:2003-10-21
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| I don't know if i'd pay 2.50 for a tv show. Say you're favorite tv show has a 22 ep season. I find 55 dollars is ok for a physical dvd box set, but not for downloadable xvids.
I'd be cool with 99 cents though. I guess its the same way with buying albums in itunes. Its pretty much the same price online, as it is to buy the actual cd in the store (unless you only want select tracks).
but yah I think it'd be cool, they could even set it up to leave the commercials in.... maybe cablevision will finally become obscelete as well. | |
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| what's the sense in buying the show for 2.50 when it could be recorded?
I only download the shows that I want to watch, because they show at the same time, of course on different channels.
I don't record because I don't have VHS, my DVD player won't record, and I'm using cable so the quality of the pictures aren't as good, and my tv tuner card for my PC gives a bad high freq. pitch (sucks). | |
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| For the CLUELESS... The RIAA/MPAA ain't shooting themselves in the foot by prosecuting CRIMINALS. They are OBLIGATED under Copyright LAWS to enforce their copyrights by suing those who STEAL copyright protected works, i.e. scumbag PIRATES!!!
Pirates don't BUY copyright protected works they STEAL THEM and that is exactly why the courts fine these scumbags and throw them in jail. That is also why facilitators of theft (P2P operators), are being fined and thrown in jail.
Sooner or later those in DENIAL will get a clue. It may take a long stay at the Iron Bar Hotel before the message gets thru the thick skulls of the jackazzes who think society is gonna allow them to steal whatever they desire. | |
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join:2001-03-06
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| Still no argument Despite the fact it's a seemingly never ending story (they will never catch all pirates)... I have no gripe with them going after sites like these. I really don't see any argument against the sites being able to distribute content if it is againt copyright/redistribution laws. | |
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rob_in_chatt
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| MPAA and RIAA and i say again in yet another post......EVERYONE is guilty of some sort of infringement. do you think that all your shoutcast radio statios legally have rights to this music they are playing on the internet? do you honestly think that out of the thousands of songs that is in the music library are legit? you my friend are out of your mind because i can not sit here and think of not one person that i know that has NOT listened to a shoutcast radio station at one time and loved the fact that it was free (pending ISP fees of course) and you could listen to your favorite stream at work, at home or where ever you have a pc readily available with internet. it all goes back to one simple thing. pay those scumbag recording artists and pro sports players reasonable salaries to equal what the working man has to go through life earning then perhaps i just might have a little bit of respect for not pirating music. i have said it many times and i will say it again. i pirate anything i can get ahold of. music (currently over 150 gigs of 128 bitrate or better) and software and you name it i know where to get it from trusted sources that do nothing but laugh hysterically at the AA's attempts to stop it. it will never stop, so the sooner you grow up and realize that it is here to stay, the better off people will be without childish rants about stealing and illegal. if you can not take one million dollars and invest it properly to live a comfortable lifestyle, then you are a fucking idiot. these people that started all this infringement crap (namely Metallica) has made so much money it is obscene that they want more. its all the more proof to me that the rich get richer and the working class man gets it right up the wazoo with no kiss. end of rant. | |
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| Catch me if you can I will continue to download Television shows. I'm paying for them i just didn't get to watch them. So now I'm downloading to watch them. I'll delete it once I'm done so i can get the next one ( i don't have infinite drive space). If they catch me I'll counter sue on the grounds that this is harassment against a double paying customer. I have both Direct-Tv(full boat) and Cablevision(basic). For someone in my shoes seeing these lawsuit are frivolous unless the person downloading doesn't pay for cable or satellite,etc/. No one should get anything for free that everyone else pays for, but for the customers that do pay why not let someone deliver your content free of charge to you..
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rewket
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Longueuil, QC | Re: Catch me if you can exactly i pay for the show, they just dont hair at times i can watch them.
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| MPAA is watching, though. Its going to take the courts to settle it, I'm afraid.
Just saw this today:
»"Will & Grace"(TV), MPAA-Cox warning letter
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| They also don't seem to realize that the people that are downloading these TV shows are not only going to delete them after they have watched them to catch up. but they are also two to three times more likely to buy the DVD when they come out, because they are avid fans of the shows they download. I donloaded all of Stargate this season & I too have Sat. & Basic cable, yet I also have every season on DVD that has been released so far.......... | |
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| why do they say stolen content? i get shows like Enterprise for free just by turning on UPN on friday nights. and my family pays for HBO and Cinemax so any content from those is also ours for the taking since we pay comcast for the access to the stations. downloading and watching the feed from the cable are honestly the same thing. just a download lets me rewatch it without waiting on a rerun or while i wait for the DVD box set to come out.
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join:2001-01-19
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| Re: why do they say stolen content? They say stolen because you're not watching the commercials. Broadcast television (and cable television for that matter) rely on advertising to pay for production. They way the MPAA sees it you download the show you aren't watching the commercials that help pay for the show.
Doesn't matter if you normally switch channels when commercials come on go take a bathroom break. The idea of television commercials is if there is any glimmer of hope you will end up catching a jingle in your head or hear about some special offer. | |
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| Re: why do they say stolen content? "they say stolen because you're not watching the commercials."
-- i doubt that they'd care if there were some shared that had the commercials included in the encodings, because they still dont have control over the distribution. its about "control". They can only triple-charge you to watch it through controlled distribution. (first-run, re-runs, dvdboxedset) | |
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join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX | Re: why do they say stolen content? That is absolutely correct. Like the RIAA what they really want is distribution control too, however they can't validate that demand. The best the MPAA can do is cry about lost revenue, but not about lost control. | |
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Whiting, IN | wait a minute is it illegal to download something that you basically already pay for. if I pay for cabletv and miss a program I have the right to record. I look at torrent as another form of recording | |
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BH9 2RJ |  what is MPAA doing with all that money?
giving back to the people of the comedies or what?
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russotto
join:2000-10-05
Collegeville, PA | Whack-a-mole Failed to record a TV show on Wednesday. Downloaded it Thursday, while the MPAA's lawyers were in full swing. Too bad for them. | |
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raydog1
Feel Secure
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| From Btefnet: "(08:07:51) (@oblivionx) [Request] Message:[The #BT Website is currently down. Releases are on hold, possibly for the entire night, until we have a better understanding of the current situation. We have NOT been sued! Please be patient and do not PM the ops. We will keep you guys updated"
Thank goodness! That's the most reliable tv-torrent site I've found. I'm in the process of moving so I've missed a lot this week. I still gotta download "Medium."  | |
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join:2001-08-24
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| MPAA Sues More TV Torrent Sites So does the same logic apply to digital music channels that come with comcast and satellite...which i pay for and could easily record 24/7 straight to my pc, and then edit the songs into individual tracks, such as wave files or mp3s etc. and burn to cd if i wanted to. If so then grabbing mp3s of songs that i PAID for already shouldn't be a problem. Right?:) Suddenly i don't feel so guilty anymore. Why should i pay $1.00 for a song i already paid for and can record it legally with a DVR and listen to it over and over forever. | |
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join:2001-10-04
Houston, TX
| OR Well i still have a copy of that VERY NICE PROGRAM ONCE ONLINE....
Anybody Remember WASTE....?
I have the source code and i think i have one of the builds...
That program works kind of like AIM, but it uses different levels of encryption you add your friend i ll add mine we all add each other and we have one big sharing network...
No one that it is not invited will have access to the files or messages broadcasted over the network...
OR WE CAN ALL GET SOME MONEY TOGETHER AND BUILT A SATELLITE AND DEPLOY IT ON SPACE WITH SUPER FAST CONNECTION SO THAT THEY CANT TOUCH IT OR DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.... | |
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And for a much longer time corporations have been considered individual persons under the law. See: U.S. Supreme Court "Santa Clara County V. Southern Pac. R. Co., 118 U.S. 394 (1886)." This has never been overturned. In 1886, ...in this the U.S. Supreme Court decided that a private corporation is a person and entitled to the legal rights and protections the Constitutions affords to any person...
Later statutes, regulatory creep and court cases have since made this much worse giving for the most part, more rights and protections to corporations (including governments) than individual natural persons. | |
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MPAA Sues More TV Torrent Sites
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