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| Re: What % of File-sharing is Legal? said by prestonlewis :said by supergirl :said by Alphy :Where did you read that it was 1%? Please link me to that I believe it was in the NY Times a few years ago. I've went to Torrent sites. All I saw was illegal stuff. So, I bet the 99% of file-sharing is illegal is probably correct. No, no, no. You got it backwards. The NYT said only 1% was illegal. I recently visited a torrent site and everything I saw was legal. I'm sure 99% of file-sharing is legal is probably correct. Opinions. You can warp 'em any way you want! Just when I didn't think I could find a more ridiculous comment.  -- Saving the world keeps me busy. However, I find Earth very primitive from my home planet of Krypton. -Supergirl | |
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| Re: What % of File-sharing is Legal? Says the person who went to torrent sites where ALL THEY HAVE IS COPYRIGHTED MATERIAL. Yeah, that's the *only* place to get stuff via BitTorrent.
That 1% is probably right, given the sheer amount of copyright infringement that is done, but you've gotta find more evidence than a random NYT article you can't find and your searches through teh torrentz. | |
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| said by supergirl :Just when I didn't think I could find a more ridiculous comment. Haha. This is hilarity. It is OK for you to use that reasoning but when it is turned around you it is unacceptable and ridiculous? This is what the word hypocrite in the English language refers to. | |
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| Umm you obviously are anti downloading copyright stuff from Bit Torrent.
Have you heard of Hulu, Joost or Fancast? Watched a Full Epidsode of your favorite TV show or caught a movie on these sites or on ABC, CBS, NBC, etc...?
If you have or have heard of these legal alternatives its because of our supposed pirate activities! We can thank piracy for these legal sites and thank the Pirate Bay guys for being pioneers!
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Piracy equals progress! It always has...(from the printing press to today's supposed illegal downloading) From apple to microsoft | |
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| said by prestonlewis :said by supergirl :said by Alphy :Where did you read that it was 1%? Please link me to that I believe it was in the NY Times a few years ago. I've went to Torrent sites. All I saw was illegal stuff. So, I bet the 99% of file-sharing is illegal is probably correct. No, no, no. You got it backwards. The NYT said only 1% was illegal. I recently visited a torrent site and everything I saw was legal. I'm sure 99% of file-sharing is legal is probably correct. Opinions. You can warp 'em any way you want! Are you high? You probably think download a copy of your favorite movie or TV show via torrent is legal don't you? | |
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| Re: What % of File-sharing is Legal? Movie, no. TV Show? Probably not legal, but much harder IMO to defend being illegial.
I can tape a TV show to VHS (and edit out commercials) and watch it later. That's legal. I can take that tape to a different location and watch it, and it's legal. I'm pretty sure most people would also think it's reasonable for me to give that tape to a friend and that would still be legal.
But if I download that show after it airs from a torrent (at a reduced quality if it's a 350MB XviD file) - that's illegial. This gets back to this color of the bits essay - it's kind of retarded IMO. -- Opera 9.23(Build 8808); Windows XP Pro SP2;Athlon 64 X2 4600+; 2.5GB PC3200 DDR; 1M/128k DSL; NOD32(Version 2.5.25); Outpost Pro 3;Proxomitron 4.5j Grypen 5/23/07(Opera mod),GPG ID:0x0A1C6EE3 | |
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| Re: What % of File-sharing is Legal? Well, the main difference is that when you download a show via P2P, copies are being made and distributed. I'm sure if you were at home making thousands of copies of VHS tapes of shows without commercials and gave them to people it might be an issue. Personally I have no problems with people downloading TV shows, but I can see the argument vs just letting a friend borrow a tape you made or keeping it for your own use.
A more comparable analogy is recording a show yourself on your PC as a file instead of using a VHS tape. | |
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| said by BF69 :You probably think download a copy of your favorite movie or TV show via torrent is legal don't you? I find it equivalent to recording it to DVR or Tape.
My isp/tv provider is Verizon. Why should it matter if the ones and zeros are sent to my DVR or computer?  -- Religion does three things quite effectively: Divides people, Controls people, Deludes people. | |
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| Re: What % of File-sharing is Legal? said by hopeflicker :said by BF69 :You probably think download a copy of your favorite movie or TV show via torrent is legal don't you? I find it equivalent to recording it to DVR or Tape. My isp/tv provider is Verizon. Why should it matter if the ones and zeros are sent to my DVR or computer? I'd just like to point out that this is quality work (the graphic).
Actually, the article mentions "clogged up" pipes. Are there really any clogged up pipes? I mean, I don't have any problems consistently getting the full speed I paid for (DSL).
And I'm glad the article pointed out the loss of customers potential. Really, a lot of customers paying for that super-fast speed may opt down to the lowest tier or switch ISPs completely. Not a good business move except for, perhaps, the RIAA/MPAA. And that's truly debatable as well. | |
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| Re: What % of File-sharing is Legal? said by Edge1 :said by hopeflicker :said by BF69 :You probably think download a copy of your favorite movie or TV show via torrent is legal don't you? I find it equivalent to recording it to DVR or Tape. My isp/tv provider is Verizon. Why should it matter if the ones and zeros are sent to my DVR or computer? I'd just like to point out that this is quality work  (the graphic). Bet you didnt know i was a full time artist by day, did ya  -- Religion does three things quite effectively: Divides people, Controls people, Deludes people. | |
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| said by supergirl :I believe it was in the NY Times a few years ago.I've went to Torrent sites. All I saw was illegal stuff. So, I bet the 99% of file-sharing is illegal is probably correct. Yeah, we can really believe the NY Times.  | |
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| Re: What % of File-sharing is Legal? Let's just go ahead and "believe" or "have a feeling" because of what we see.
Good thing we dont run our country this way. no, wait... -- Religion does three things quite effectively: Divides people, Controls people, Deludes people. | |
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It's a shame we don't run the country using more common sense. | |
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| said by Skeedatl :It's a shame we don't run the country using more common sense. Clearly.
Just because you saw a few sites that have some copyrighted material on them does not mean you can claim that most file sharing is illegal. Just because you do not know of the websites or have only seen one of them that have non-copyrighted material does not mean you can claim that either wise. When you come back with actual research done by a reputable organization using sound research methods (not the "Look, a couple of illegal file sharing sites, all of them must be illegal!" method) I will believe you.
P.S. - Running a search for "legal file sharing" will not give you a list of all legal file sharing sites. Sometimes -- just sometimes -- it takes a bit more than Googling a search term to find what you are looking for. --
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| Re: What % of File-sharing is Legal? said by Skeedatl :A few sites? Try all of the most popular ones. Does that equate to ALL file sharing? No.
said by Skeedatl :Ever seen an electron? No? I guess by your logic they must not exist. Noone really knows for sure, but at least there is enough SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE to show that most-likely they do exist.
What scientific evidence is there that all (or most) file sharing is illegal? A few readily-disproved statistics in a few hardly-scientific newspapers or magazines? A couple of Joes browsing the internet and making claims based on their viewing of less than 0.01% of the internet? --
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| said by Skeedatl : ... the first few pages of results are all copyrighted, stuff ... How do you know it is copyrighted stuff? You must have downloaded something, played it, and saw it was. Right? Hmmmmm so you violated copyright laws? There is NO OTHER way to identify copyright infringement.
These "guesstimates" of illegal P2P use are meaningless suppositions, which can't withstand legal scrutiny.
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bit torrent was created for bootleggers, by a fan of booleg concert recordings. it was created to help bootleggers share LEGALLY recorded concerts with fans of music, and other "tapers" (bootleggers).
there is still a very highly active community of "traders" who share LEGALLY recorded concerts amongst fans. what percentage this is, who cares? honestly it's a bunch of people who actually care about sharing something they've recorded with people who actually care about listening to it. look up archive.org or bt.etree.org sometime. legal recordings. lots of people know about these places 
torrents are also used by world of warcraft and MANY other games for updates/patches/installers/etc. there are just as many legal uses for this as there are illegal uses.
here's another thought about "file sharing" you're doing it right now. you just shared a file by viewing this post. you share files when you copy anything anywhere. better stop the whole internet. better stop all communications now. if it can be viewed, heard, or both, it can be copied. should we outlaw microphones? video cameras? tacos? ...wait, you cant copy a taco digitally... yet...
I am going to state that 99% of all file sharing is perfectly legal. I'm probably not the first to state this either. Wow. copy a word document from laptop to desktop? wow, that's file sharing. copy a news article to your browser? sharing. copy anything from one system to another and it could be considered sharing.
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| Here we go again We keep hearing the same crap. 80% of all network traffic is p2p copyrighted material. The internet is costing the entertainment industry a gazillion dollars a year in lost revenue.
Lots of words with little truth IMO. Numbers put together by the publicity department probably.
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| Re: Here we go again said by bgraham :We keep hearing the same crap. 80% of all network traffic is p2p copyrighted material. The internet is costing the entertainment industry a gazzilion dollars a year in lost revenue. Lots of words with little truth IMO. Yeah, we know how these organizations like to make up numbers. And it's been proven that they have made up numbers before. -- Religion does three things quite effectively: Divides people, Controls people, Deludes people. | |
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Just like that one is. | |
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Can I even realistically assume that I could do those kinds of things? I'm not sure I could if I wanted to, but I don't think that's our job. Even if they wanted to police the Internet for copyright violations, they could never fully succeed. There is just no way for them to tell which content is copyrighted *AND* being transferred without proper permission. Remember, content could be transferred without permission but be public domain or be copyrighted and transferred with permission. Also remember that "content" could be music, movies, books, software, photos, etc. So it's not just a simple matter of screening for audio or video files.
And even if Verizon decided to put a filter in place, they would lose their Common Carrier status and open themselves to lawsuits over the pirated materials that they didn't block. Someone downloaded a photo of mine and shared it via their FIOS connection? Sue Verizon, they have bigger pockets and should have filtered it. (For clarification, that's what a lawyer's reasoning would be, not mine.)
Verizon's smart to ignore the MPAA and focus on being a pipe provider. As a content provider, it's the MPAA's job to find where pirated material is coming from and make the effort to take it offline (via DMCA notice most likely). They just want to shift the cost off of them to someone else. -- -Jason Levine Support a children's charity. Buy a calendar. Shooting For A Cause Jason's Toolbox | PCQandA.com | |
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| They don't want to filter...Posh...Posh I say They don't want to filter...so why is it Verizon customers can't run a standard Web server? They certainly filter out TCP port 80.
But what the speaker said is in essence true. With redirection services available (WebHop comes to mind), www.mydomain.net:80 becomes www2.mydomain:8800, problem sort of solved. Often, it doesn't take a whole ton of technology to steer around such silliness. -- English is a difficult enough language to interpret correctly when its rules are followed, let alone when a writer chooses not to follow those rules.
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| Re: They don't want to filter...Posh...Posh I say Stay on target. The discussion is about their stated desire not to filter yet they do filter. What the AUP says or does not say, or should or should not say, is a separate discussion entirely.
And it's not my AUP anymore . I used to be a DSL customer, and a friend of mine is saying it applies to his FiOS. In fact, I was a DSL customer way back when the AUP allowed (personal) servers, and tcp/80 was not filtered. Then some big worm started making the rounds, and they slapped that one on there to try to limit its spread (and that actually worked fairly well...for worm control anyway).
Besides...many ISPs' ToS/AUP state "no servers of any kind," which is an extremely miguided statement to make. A server very well could mean software that replies to requests. Ergo, if you ARP for my MAC address, if I hold to the letter of the policy, I can't reply and still remain under the agreement. I can't reply to a single ICMP such as "ping," I can't even send an "X" unreachable ICMP message with X in (port, network, protocol) as that would be responding to a request...or serving. Hooboy...not a single point-to-point chat, IRC DCC or CTCP, no VoIP...the typical statement is silly, and in my experience, rarely enforced. -- English is a difficult enough language to interpret correctly when its rules are followed, let alone when a writer chooses not to follow those rules.
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