  birdfeedrPremium,MVM
join:2001-08-11
Warwick, RI
kudos:5 | Common reaction When you can't solve the problem with technology, call it dirty politics when it gets shut down. | |
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 |  FBGuyyippee ki yayPremium
join:2005-03-19 | Re: Common reaction when you want to protect your profits, get your competitors shut down. | |
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| | NWOhio
join:2011-10-25
Toledo, OH | Re: Common reaction or have certain products banned in the countries you want to control. | |
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| | | FBGuyyippee ki yayPremium
join:2005-03-19 | Re: Common reaction apple is trying to do that to samsung. | |
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| |  GeekJediRF is Good For YouPremium
join:2001-06-21
Mukwonago, WI | When your technology is flawed, *you* get shut down. | |
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| | | FBGuyyippee ki yayPremium
join:2005-03-19 | Re: Common reaction then, why are GPS receivers not shut down? | |
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| | Lawsuit... LightSquared suing the FCC is rediculous. I hope whatever jurisdiction Lightsquared files sees fit to toss it out in the public interest. GPS is far too important, flawed or not, to acquiese to the interests of a private company who remains oblivious to the damage it's signal swamping of GPS their equipment causes.
They say they are entitled to deploy because they own licenses? Then the FCC should revoke not only permission to deploy, but the licenses to L-band frequencies as well and repurpose them for their original intended use, space-to-earth transmission.
Lightsquared, get off the field and go play ball somewhere else. You are no longer wanted here. | |
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To leave this problem unresolved is the height of bureaucratic irresponsibility and undermines the very principles that once made America the best place in the world to do business. We remain committed to finding a solution and believe that if all the parties have that same level of commitment, a solution can be found. The American people send their representatives to Washington to solve tough problems and make our country better – not to undermine and pull the rug from under private enterprise.
Sorry Lightsquared, but I guess you did not have enough money to buy off the right politicians or enough members of the FCC.
They were given a chance to see if their system could co-exist and instead of admitting there was a problem with their system, they tried to blame everyone else. Not only that, but they wanted everyone else to pay for equipment upgrades.
The fact remains the same. Lightsquared was trying to use the frequency allocation they bought for a purpose other than what was intended. The FCC gave them a "conditional" waiver to test out their system and it did not work. Sorry, but that's how the ball bounces. | |
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join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY | The last Gasp The last gasp before bankruptcy. Falcone’s Harbinger Capital Partners hedge fund has lost 47% of it value in the last year. One bright spot is some of that venture capital is from George Soros. 
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| | Somebody call the waaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhmbulance Clearwire's plan was flawed from the start.
Did they really think they were going to mess up everybody's GPS and hope that they buy new ones?
Yes, I know the flaw is probably mostly on GPS' side, but they were there first and they are much more important than broadband internet which you can get from other means. | |
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| | | Re: Somebody call the waaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhmbulance There is no flaw in GPS. GPS is one of the things that the US Government does better than anyone else. It is something to be proud of. | |
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| | | | Re: Somebody call the waaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhmbulance It's the receiver makers side to a large degree having to do with adjacent freq rejection. Not that they've ever had to deal with it before. | |
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| | decifal
join:2007-03-10
Bon Aqua, TN
kudos:1 Reviews:
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| said by DaveRickmers:There is no flaw in GPS. GPS is one of the things that the US Government does better than anyone else. It is something to be proud of.
Yeah, but there are some trying to come up with a reason to make everyone pay a fee to use the gps service.. Even though our government keeps it there to begin with.. It was a soo called maintenance fee being "more people are using it" fee. which is bs as the damn satellites are doing the same amount of work no matter how many are using it or not... Thankfully, that plan hasn't taken off for now. But i'm sure it will be back soon.. People hate seeing others use something this useful for free. | |
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join:2005-03-09
Saint Clair Shores, MI | Re: Somebody call the waaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhmbulance Kinda like debit cards? Everyone jumped on that band wagon and now look at it. Banks wanting us to pay to use our own money from a card they pushed on it's customers. I have to agree with another poster. It's not LS's problem if the makers of GPS units or even cell phones for all that matter, can't tighten their units to reject bleedover. Radar detectors can do it, so can GPS units. I see it as they do not want to have to charge us another 10 bucks a unit since everyone has one and they are not selling more then they would like. Just a thought.  | |
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Radar detectors aren't looking for ultra-weak signals that are below the noise floor. GPS needs a quiet neighborhood to work optimally, that's a key factor in why this spectrum was selected, to avoid high power terrestrial broadcasts. GPS receivers are built with this regulated environment in mind. The only one not following rules is LS. | |
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| openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | *LightSquared*
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| | | said by fifty nine:Clearwire's plan was flawed from the start.
Did they really think they were going to mess up everybody's GPS and hope that they buy new ones?
They are upset because they paid good US dollars to the Obama admin to put the fix in at the FCC and other gov't agencies. And then they didn't deliver because the military and the FAA went off the reservation and opposed Lightsquared against Obama admin wishes. So they spent all that bribe money and didn't get what they paid for.
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| | TransmasterDon't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
1 edit | Re: Somebody call the waaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhmbulance There has been people who point out correctly that smart phone with GPS receivers have filters installed and don't have a problem with Lightsquared what they fail to say is the reason for the tighter front ends is because a smart phone has an on board transmitter the transmitted signal is very tight but there are still background fundamental harmonics that are radiated and when the receiver is located a tiny fraction of an inch away on the same chip filters are required.
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join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
kudos:1 | Re: Somebody call the waaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhmbulance Hey,
Someone who knows what he's talking about.
Who'd a thunk it?
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birdfeedrPremium,MVM
join:2001-08-11
Warwick, RI
kudos:5 | Then there's deja vu all over again Last paragraph from »online.wsj.com/article_email/SB1···yWj.html
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The company faces additional competition from Dish Network Corp., which has a pending application with the FCC to also operate satellite spectrum for a terrestrial wireless network.
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| openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | Re: LightSquared Says They'll Fight FCC Taxpayer money? | |
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| | FBGuyyippee ki yayPremium
join:2005-03-19 | Re: LightSquared Says They'll Fight FCC I think cableties is implying that taxpayers have a say in where tax revenue goes. | |
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join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | Re: LightSquared Says They'll Fight FCC Ok, but I don't understand the linkage to LightSquared. Or is the implication that the White House administration has funneled money to LightSquared? | |
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join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | Re: LightSquared Says They'll Fight FCC Who paid for the FCC to grant a conditional waiver to LightSquared? It's a cost of doing business
Besides, the question is how is LightSquared leveraging taxpayer funds to fight the FCC? Perhaps cableties  should have stated consuming taxpayer money instead of using it? | |
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join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY
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| Frequency Swap I see in the article about Sprint having to return $75 million to LSQ that they are still pushing for a frequency swap (Surprise!). Still trying to get away with cheap spectrum and avoiding taxpayer compensation.
There will be some radio spectrum auctions coming up soon. Perhaps LSQ should pack the lawyers away and actually bid on spectrum that can be used for the purposes they want.
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| | | Re: Frequency Swap Looks like the linked article states $65M not $75M. But hey, what's $10 million between friends | |
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| | | I agree with a frequency swap. The FCC should ban the sale and block the use of this GPS adjacent frequency forever, and offer LSQ a slice of a different band in exchange. In hindsight, it never should have been offered for sale in the first place. | |
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| | | | Re: Frequency Swap said by JasonOD :I agree with a frequency swap. The FCC should ban the sale and block the use of this GPS adjacent frequency forever, and offer LSQ a slice of a different band in exchange. In hindsight, it never should have been offered for sale in the first place.
For God's sake HOW MANY TIMES MUST THIS BE REPEATED?!?! LightSquared didn't buy/win this allocation. They obtained it in acquiring somebody else who had won it for SatCom use, then tried to re-purpose it to terrestrial.
The FCC owes LightSquared nothing, IMO.
As for the lawsuit threat: Unless I'm mistaken: The U.S. military trumps the FCC and the U.S. military has declared LightSquared's plan a non-starter. They going to pick a fight with the Pentagon? Good luck with that! | |
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join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY Reviews:
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| Re: Frequency Swap said by jseymour:As for the lawsuit threat: Unless I'm mistaken: The U.S. military trumps the FCC and the U.S. military has declared LightSquared's plan a non-starter. They going to pick a fight with the Pentagon? Good luck with that!
If LSQ fires up their base stations, the Pentagon could use them for target practice using radio guided missiles! Just zero in on the device transmitting on L1.
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| | | TransmasterDon't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY | What this people try to get away with Remember the Little LEO system Bill Gates, and company wanted to put up back in the 1990's. This was a series of low earth orbiting satellites for digital communications. It was going to operate in the 70cm band. Part of the spectrum was used on a shared basis with the defense department by hamradio operators. The argument was the usual why should we let a bunch of hamradio operators squat on such valuable thing. The battle went on for a fair amount of time. Finally the Air Force nuc'ed the whole thing when they pointed out that some of the frequencies used where ones the Air Force used to destroy out of control missles and they where not going to let anyone transmit any where near these frequencies. Like this Lightsquared business the Pentagon was the final nail in the coffin.
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| | | | | Re: Frequency Swap They are using it differently yes, but it is the GPS systems that are in LS spectrum. This is known. LS interferes with GPS because GPS is in LS spectrum. | |
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| | | | | | Re: Frequency Swap said by SxualChkL8:They are using it differently yes, but it is the GPS systems that are in LS spectrum. This is known. LS interferes with GPS because GPS is in LS spectrum.
Somebody else that doesn't understand How Radio Works and how spectrum allocation works, regurgitating LightSquared's false assertions.
No, GPS is not "in LS spectrum." GPS is directly adjacent to the allocation for which LS currently holds the license.
What is more-or-less accurate to say is that GPS receivers are perhaps overly sensitive to energy in the immediately adjacent allocation. (Gross oversimplification.) This would not normally be a problem if said immediately adjacent allocation was used in the manner for which it was intended and the manner for which it was licensed. But LightSquared's proposed usage is not in the manner for which that allocation was intended. It's way out-of-line in that respect. Thus the vastly increased potential for interference to an existing, and well-established, service.
Furthermore: It is my (somewhat expert) belief, and the belief of many others who are experts in this area, that GPS simply could not be made to work under the conditions that LightSquared proposes. In other words: If LightSquared were already operating the way it wants to, where it wants to, and the GPS system was just being designed, GPS it could not be made to work reliably in its current frequency allocation. | |
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Fairfield, CA | LSQ LSQ,
When your business plan is completely dependent on a FCC waiver from the normal rules, you are taking on substantial risk. Waivers can be withdrawn, and you have little recourse. | |
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| FBGuyyippee ki yayPremium
join:2005-03-19 | Re: LSQ A toothless FCC, bought with industry dollars. The FCC can eat a bag of ****  | |
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| | | | Re: LSQ said by FBGuy:A toothless FCC, bought with industry dollars. The FCC can eat a bag of **** Obviously, according to your reasoning, Lightsquared and Falcone didn't send enough money down Washington Way.
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| | | FBGuyyippee ki yayPremium
join:2005-03-19 | Re: LSQ exactly. the FCC only works for you if you give them money. | |
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| | | | | | Re: LSQ said by FBGuy:exactly. the FCC only works for you if you give them money.
So who paid off the FCC this time? | |
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| | | | GeekJediRF is Good For YouPremium
join:2001-06-21
Mukwonago, WI | Or if the proposed spectrum usage is flawed, such as in this case. | |
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| | GPS signals bleed into LS spectrum Everyone is talking about how happy they are that LS is failing, truth is GPS signals are and have always been bleeding into LS spectrum. This is the reason LS is fighting. The GPS industry has known they have been in LS spectrum, but because there are so many GPS systems already out there, no one wants to pay to fix the problem from the GPS side of it. It is just easier to not let LS use the spectrum they paid for. The test say that LS interferes with GPS. It does, but it does so in LS spectrum. | |
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|  Xioden
join:2008-06-10
Monticello, NY | Re: GPS signals bleed into LS spectrum And once again, the problem is the spectrum LS is trying to use was intended for EarthSpace not terrestrial transmitting. If used for it's original purpose it wouldn't be causing the interference issues that completely cripple pretty much every single existing GPS device. | |
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| | | | Re: GPS signals bleed into LS spectrum And once again, the the frequencies they are interupting are in LS spectrum. Get out of THEIR spectrum and there won't be a problem. | |
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join:2004-04-24
Pompano Beach, FL | Re: GPS signals bleed into LS spectrum Your typical GPS is a receiver not a transmitter, they're not interfering with anybody. | |
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Other GPS receivers do not listen for anything in the LS spectrum, but due to the overwhelming and ILLEGAL power output of the LS signal, they are forced to hear the unwanted LS signal. Much like you are forced to hear the sounds of a running jet engine that's next to you. | |
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join:2011-05-21
Chicago, IL | Sprint? Whats up with the sprint logo?
Lightsquared FCC problems have nothing to do with Sprint. | |
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join:2011-10-25
Toledo, OH | Re: Sprint? it does when Sprint was banking a good share of Network Vision on that network and L2 on Sprint. Now Sprint needs to deploy on their own with little to ZERO $$$ in the bank. | |
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join:2011-05-21
Chicago, IL | Re: Sprint? LS was going to pay sprint to use sprints network.
There was no agreement forcing sprint to use LS network.
All sprint loses is the money LS would have paid them. | |
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