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Primary architect of 1996 Telecom Reform Act returns...
01:40PM Monday Jun 08 2009 by Karl Bode
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Blair Levin, former FCC boss Reed Hundt's chief of staff from 1993 to 1997, has been placed in charge of crafting the nation's broadband policy. His appointment explains some of the reason why Verizon lobbyists have been so nervous of late, since Levin was the spine behind the creation of the 1996 Telecommunications Reform Act. Thanks to the combination one-two punch of dysfunctional government and heavy lobbying, the now-dismantled Act never quite worked as intended -- though France managed to take our idea and make it work -- using local loop unbundling to create facilities-based fiber competition for incumbent operators.

While Levin was pretty chatty earlier this year about how the recent stimulus package was just the beginning of the government's plan, he's remained mum on precisely what direction Uncle Sam plans to go.

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I have so little faith that government can do anything right

Due to massive corruption anything that is done will be based on whatever incumbent providers want. Spine or not, Congress pulls the purse strings and votes on this stuff and every member has been bought and paid for by corporate America.
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due to massive corruption that anything that it done will be based on whatever incumbent providers want. Spine or not, Congress pulls the purse strings and votes on this stuff and every member has been bought and paid for by corporate America.
Thats certainly a cynical veiwpoint. However, the fact that I concur to a certain degree is actually kind of sad! On the other hand, this is also an opportunity to make some actual progress. We'll see...
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Thats certainly a cynical veiwpoint. However, the fact that I concur to a certain degree is actually kind of sad! On the other hand, this is also an opportunity to make some actual progress. We'll see...
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Re: I have so little faith that government can do anything right

Just about every government program is a disaster of waste and inefficiency especially now that they're being given blank checks with no transparency or oversight.
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Just about every government program is a disaster of waste and inefficiency especially now that they're being given blank checks with no transparency or oversight.
Any government program with the words "Universal", "Landmark", or "Social" in its title means trouble and higher taxes. Not to mention the fact that they all turn out to be money pits with no accountability.
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Just about every government program is a disaster of waste and inefficiency especially now that they're being given blank checks with no transparency or oversight.
Any government program with the words "Universal", "Landmark", or "Social" in its title means trouble and higher taxes. Not to mention the fact that they all turn out to be money pits with no accountability.
or worse, something that will inevitably lead to our bankruptcy...amazing how far we are along this path and the SS+medicare problem is still ignored. *sigh*

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Re: I have so little faith that government can do anything right

Unlike GM, the government can simply mandate higher "revenues" as our Governator calls them. Revenues have replaced taxes in California just as "undocumented" has replaced "illegal" here.
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Unlike GM, the government can simply mandate higher "revenues" as our Governator calls them. Revenues have replaced taxes in California just as "undocumented" has replaced "illegal" here.
That's what happens when you hire pretty people, regardless of their competence on the subject matter, to do important jobs.

You have millions of illegal immigrants because Reagan allowed them in. That's where this bullshit really started.

You don't like the economic mess? ...shouldn't have fired the last governor who was doing a hell of a job managing the shitty hand he was dealt. You want a movie star, you got it! Sadly, real life is a little harder to manage than movies....no stunt doubles here.
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Reagan hasn't been president in 20 years. The majority of illegals currently here came to California long after 1988.

Davis was a joke who made California the mess it is with his endless union giveaways. Davis grew California gov't at a rate far exceeding population and inflation.

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Reagan hasn't been president in 20 years. The majority of illegals currently here came to California long after 1988.

Davis was a joke who made California the mess it is with his endless union giveaways.
Engaging in a a little historic revisionism, are we? Do your research...Reagan's immigration policy was a disaster. And Davis was handed an actual crisis after the dot com crash...made much worse by Enron's fraudulent energy price manipulation....a byproduct of deregulation championed by republicans. Given the shitty deal he was dealt, he was doing pretty good.
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Davis wasn't handed shit. He increased gov't spending at rates far exceeding combined population and inflation.

Democrats have run the California legislature since Christ was a corporal, so don't try and pin California's disaster on Republicans.

California is the result of applied Obamanomics.
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California is the result of
...gross incompetence on the part of the electorate. The citizens of California are inept and selfish. Like little children you took away a governor who was actually trying to manage a crisis and put a movie star in its place. Shame on you!
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Yes. The California electorate believes everything that the liberal fascists like Rob Reiner tell them on TV...a result of a failed public education system.

Davis was a failure who put California into it's current mess.
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Yes. The California electorate believes everything that the liberal fascists like Rob Reiner tell them on TV...a result of a failed public education system.
No, the CA electorate wants to be superman when it grows up. Or an astronaut. Wait, that's not possible? Then let's put the terminator in charge of government. Never fucking mind that his only qualification regarding running a government is being married to a Kennedy.
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Big words coming from a resident of the most corrupt government in the nation. At least our electorate is alive when it casts its votes.
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Big words coming from a resident of the most corrupt government in the nation. At least our electorate is alive when it casts its votes.
Every corrupt governor we've had has ended up in Jail. Sure we pick a bad apple every so often...but we punish them for doing wrong by the people who put them in power.
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Just like we punished Davis who trashed California. Hopefully Obamanomics will be stopped before it does to the nation what the same irresponsible socialist spending policies have done to California. But I doubt it. While the EU has wised up and kicked the crap out of the liberal fascists, the sheeple of America buy the teleprompter rhetoric hook line and sinker.
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You do realize...Republicans widely favor the rich and big business, right? Whenever a Republican holds office the gap between the rich and poor becomes greater, innovation slows to a crawl, and extreme deregulation leads to fiscal irresponsibility. It was because of Bush our economy was trashed, we developed huge budget deficits, and we entered into 2 wars while alienating all our foreign allies. Bush actively ignored the economic experts at the Federal Reserve while pushing his own agenda, which ultimately helped the rich become even richer. That's been the case with every Republican.

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You do realize that all politicians are whores at the corporate lobbying trough. They're ALL for big business and anyone else who will fill their campaign war chests.

Democrats in have controlled Congress for 3 years. If they wanted to do something, they easily could have. But alas, they are all corporate whores. Now we see that there is no entity more greedy, corrupt or fiscally irresponsible than liberal government. As bad as Bush was, and he was beyond horrible, Obama quadrupled Bush's insane deficits and the CBO says Obama will DOUBLE our national debt over the next decade to the point that just servicing the debt will cost $1 trillion per year. That is a level of debt this country will NEVER be able to pay off. And their answer? Go fleece job creators even more. Steal even more of their money and send even more jobs overseas. It is NEVER shrinking government and controlling spending.

Liberals are such philanthropists when it's other people's money they are stealing and spending. But God forbid their own constituency is expected to pay their fair share, no way.

Obama's deficit spending, greed and corruption makes Bush's idiocy look like amateur hour. Obama and Pelosi's politburo are decimating this economy. Despite spending hundreds of billions, unemployment continues to rise. Now all of this insane spending has the bond markets reeling, sending interest rates higher because higher inflation is inevitable with hyper inflation a serious threat. And what do you think double digit interest rates will do for our consumer debt and housing market? How many people do you think will be able to pay down credit cards with 40% interest? What will home values look like when mortgage interest rates are 11%?

And these same people who are running the country into insolvency are the same ones claiming they can fix the healthcare system? And they are going to RAM a heathcare bill down our throats like Reed, Pelosi and el-tardo Bush did with TARP? This administration and congress are absolutely inept and corrupt. Sure, healthcare costs need to be looked at, but these socialist fools in Washington would only make it 1000X worse.

You want to see the future that is Obamanomics, just look at California. Public services are non-functional while spending is at record levels and out of control. Taxes are insanely high and productive citizens are forced to flee.

The citizens of the EU have wised up and kicked the crap out of the socialists in the recent round of elections. Hopefully in 2012, we will have the same wisdom and kick these liberal Fascists out. Maybe, just maybe we can get leadership who believes in drastically smaller government and meaningful common sense regulation.

Fat chance of that though. The liberal fascists at Move On will try and re-elect their nut jobs while the religious wackos get their latest turds that float to the top of the bowl. Oh well.

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Bit, I hope you do understand if it wasn't for Obama's "deficit spending" as you so friendly put it, right now, our society would no longer exist. It would have collapsed and taken the world with it. Had it not been done, we'd not posting right now.
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Horsecrap. The stimulus money has been allocated but not spent. And providing stimulus money to prevent teen pregnancy in Ohio doesn't stimulate shit. And what jobs will be saved so it is claimed? Keeping teachers in inefficient and failing classrooms instead of having states revamping their schools and their cost structures and out of necessity like California desperately needs? Keeping cops on the street instead of forcing states and state employee unions to take concessions like the private sector is? Maybe states like California and their prison unions should be forced into renegotiating the 30 percent pay raises they got instead of Joe Taxpayer in Oklahoma being saddled with debt to pay them.

A bunch of make work projects to government unions or handing billions to GM just to have it go BK anyway and be given to the union thugs that helped drive it into the ground in the first place isn't stimulating anything. Bailing out banks with the flawed theory it would recapitalize them and they would loan again? Despite this already being proved a failure in Europe, Bush, Reed and Pelosi did it here anyway. The banks took the money and are just sitting on it, while giving out millions in bonuses. Nothing in TARP compels them to loan as if more consumer borrowing is the solution to economic growth anyway. It was consumer borrowing and financial over-leveraging that got us into the mess in the first place.

This was a PURE pork bill, plan and simple, one that will lead us to insolvency just like California and at the end we will have nothing to show for it but unsustainable debt just like California. And in typical politician fashion, Obama went back on his campaign promise of transparency and delaying signing bills until the PEOPLE could look over the final bill. No one read this bill. It was RAMMED down our throats.

Now the Chinese who are funding this corruption are starting to balk at our completely irresponsible fiscal policy, laughing out loud at Timmy when he tells them things are under control. The bond market is starting to freak over this ever increasing debt driving up interest rates. What do you think will happen to the economy when we are at double digit interest rates? What do you think will happen to people with massive credit card debt when they are looking at 40% interest? What happens to the banks when all those idiots default? What do you think will happen when we have double digit inflation because the treasury is just running off the printing presses monetizing the debt? The CBO projects that Obama will DOUBLE our national debt over the next decade. Just servicing this debt will cost us $1T per year.

Where the hell are we going to get that money to pay a trillion a year in interest on this debt? By taxing the rich? Of course not. We do not have a wealth tax in America, we have an INCOME tax. That means only those who actually produce things and EARN money pay taxes. And what do you think will happen when those who are already paying nearly all the taxes get hammered again? What happens when you go after those people creating all the jobs? They leave. Just like they left California, they just move their operations overseas to avoid the taxes and keep the money they earned. Don't believe it? Just look at recent comments by Steve Ballmer about this. Microsoft, one of our most robust American companies, would be forced, at least in part, to flee. Bye bye jobs.

Now the same lunatics that are running Washington, driving this country quickly off a cliff say they are going to fix healthcare? Yeah right. Despite billions they could not even fix GM and they want to take over 12% of our GDP and fix it? And Kennedy wants employers who are already spinning from insane taxation and foreign competition to pay for it all? These people are insane.
Don't misunderstand, Bush was an idiot. People that borrowed more money than they could ever hope to pay back are idiots. But these liberal fascists running Washington are absolutely insane and are destroying this country.

When you are already in massive debt and running insanely high deficits the solution is not to dig the hole at 4X the rate with reckless and bullcrap pork bills. The solution is not to double the size of government. You have to CUT spending and let consumers keep more of the money they are earning. Let businesses keep more of the money they are earning. Implement common sense regulation, no more, no less.

You want to see the future Obamanomics will bring us, all you have to do is look at California. California is the result of a decade of insanely reckless fiscal policy and do-gooder-ism. They flogged us with taxes and the productive members of society just left. But while there is a Federal government to bail out California, who is going to bail out the Federal Government?

Bush is an idiot. Obama is an idiot. Republicans are idiots. Democrats are idiots. They are all bought and paid for by corporate and special interests. The only way CHANGE will come is when we limit political contributions to only those who are registered voters, no corporations, no lobbyists, no unions, no environmental wack jobs...just Joe Taxpayer. But since this will never happen we will just have to wait for the federal government to collapse like California government is.

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Re: I have so little faith that government can do anything right

I'm going to have to disagree. The stimulus is as much about perception and expectation as actual stimulus. The bailout and the "rescue" of failing institutions was aimed squarely at stopping the panic that ensued. I firmly believe that sitting back and doing nothing would have left the economy in free fall and it would have collapsed.

Now, that doesn't mean I'm happy about it. The situation that lead to this is rediculous.... and long term there's no way to "borrow your way to prosperity."

People in the country need to get their heads screwed on straight and realize that their "entitlements" and programs they support (left and right) need to go away. This includes many, many programs that people think they've "Earned" or have "rights" to. Sorry, the "everybody else but me" mentality will not work. I think people have no idea how truly painful this will be..... And that it needs to be done.
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Recessions happen every decade as part of the normal business cycle. Some recessions are worse than others and as bad as this one is, it is on par with the 1982 recession. As inventories balance themselves (inventories are exhausted), the economy naturally recovers. Washing machines wear out. Cars break. People need to eventually replace durable goods and when inventory is exhausted those parts and products have to be produced.

When government intervenes in this natural process is when we have the most problems. Now I'm not saying intervening with limited and meaningful regulation to smooth out the wrinkles and prevent market manipulation is unacceptable, I'm saying to manipulate economic forces on such a huge scale only prolongs the damage and makes it worse. This is because the economic imbalance that is causing the problem is never allowed to right itself. These are problems that only the private sector (private sector meaning the non-government economy, not "big banks", "big business" etc) is large enough to solve. In the 1930's, government intervention was an absolute failure and it will fail here.

The economy eventually recovers despite of, not because of massive government spending and this level of spending will hugely disrupt the economy with the negative effects not appearing for a few years, manifesting in hyper inflation, high interest rates and huge unsustainable debt service costs. And in response the liberal government will crush job creators trying to pay for this. No society has ever taxed itself into prosperity and we won't be the first to do it. Building some roads isn't simulative. Giving pregnancy advice isn't simulative. Only correcting the wide scale inventory imbalance is "stimulative". Everything else is only fleeting and wasteful.

Failing businesses must be allowed to fail and their liquidation opens the door for other companies to buy up equipment, at a discount and competitors to absorb that market making them stronger in the meantime hiring those skilled displaced workers. Letting foreclosures happen drives down prices so that responsible people can afford to buy in to the market without resorting to 20-10-10 and interest only schemes...it is a natural market correction that restores home prices to the level they should be. By propping up failing companies and housing prices you are merely fighting darwinian economic forces, dumbing down the market, stopping innovation all at HUGE costs to the economy and Joe Taxpayer down the road.

Big banks should be broken up into smaller regional banks just as AT&T was broken up and common sense regulation would be limitations to their size and insisting on higher minimum capitalization levels. Bush's justice department would sign a leaf if it blew under a merger signing pen. That has to end. The burden of proof should be why we should allow a merger, not why shouldn't we allow a particular merger.

IMO, this administration is exploiting this "crisis" to further a Euro-socalist style agenda unrelated to fixing the economy, just as the previous administration's Neo-Con asswipes exploited 9-11 to further the middle east agenda of regime change.
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Re: I have so little faith that government can do anything right

There's a difference between a recession and a collapse, however.

I really don't believe that this situation is being exploited... if anything, this economic situation is hamstringing the Administration.
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Not really. The only difference is whether the person applying the label's party is in power or not. If they are in power, it's a recession. When they're out of power it's a collapse.

Economically speaking (indicators wise), this is simply a major recession, not an economy collapsing into depression. It is just many people alive today haven't been so long enough to know or remember what a larger than normal recession looks like.
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Re: I have so little faith that government can do anything right

We missed a total financial collapse by hours because the Treasury stepped in and shut down the markets on Sept. 15th or so 2008.

Had they not done so, in one afternoon, the US financial sector would have lost 6 TRILLION dollars and gone bust in one day. The next day the collapse would have been total, followed by the rest of the world.

Things that happened this time, while having some similarities to past recessions, also had all new and incredibly fast actions due to modern technology and markets. Ironically programs designed in the height of the Y2K fears activated and saved our asses this time. Markets panic, and with modern electronic trading, financial transfers and disbursements it's entirely possible for a a panic to destroy the economy before people even knew WTF just happened.
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Halting trading isn't the same as dropping $750B in TARP. We have halted trading in the past and then reopened when people came to their senses and if it happens again the trading is halted again. We didn't have to rape Joe Taxpayer for billions. At least we will get most of the TARP money back. It also should have been used to remove the toxic assets from their books as originally planned. No bank should ever be allowed to get "to big to fail" and any bank that is currently too big to fail should be broken up into regional banks. TARP aside, we absolutely didn't have to have a trillion borrowed dollars in pet pork that is just going to get flushed down wasteful government union thug toilets. And now with Porkulous I not even spent yet, Congress is back looking for Porkulous II, again inciting fear to push their political agenda and pet projects.

As it stands now, long term Federal liabilities are nearly $60 trillion and when you include the states it is over $60 trillion. But unlike corporate America, government is allowed to use fuzzy accounting to hide the REAL amount of these deficits.
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And Obama's fiscal policy according to the CBO will DOUBLE our Federal debt. If Porkulous II passes, it will only be worse. If gov't wrecks heathcare, fergetit, the Federal government will quickly be insolvent, just like California (unless the ramp up the printing press resulting in massive hyper inflation). No objective American, of either party, can honestly support such reckless fiscal policy.

Congress has partied hearty for 3 decades on the backs of Joe and Jane Taxpayer. The party is over and it is time to clean up the mess. I know now one wants to do clean up detail because it isn't as fun as wasting taxpayer dollars but it has to be done, and NOW, because the parents will be home any minute.
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Congress has partied hearty for 3 decades on the backs of Joe and Jane Taxpayer. The party is over and it is time to clean up the mess. I know now one wants to do clean up detail because it isn't as fun as wasting taxpayer dollars but it has to be done, and NOW, because the parents will be home any minute.
Any minute = about 3.5 years, and it might even be too late to fix the issue then.....
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As for California, I think that's a lot of different things. Personally I can't help but feel the massive costs of illegal (sorry, "undocumented") immigration who don't pay their share of taxes while burdening the state's social programs have really hurt. I think it's pretty clear California over the last 30 years has been hit the hardest by this issue.

That being said, there's a ton of other factors as well.
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We will agree to disagree about porkulous but illegals cost the state about $6B a year to support but we are running a $21B deficit so while we would save a ton of money, have less traffic, better schools, no water shortage, cheaper housing, etc, in terms of the budget it would only put a decent dent in it.
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I think the costs are actually higher then that. That seems low for all that healthcare, education, medical, legal, civil services, infrastructure, etc etc

Plus, it's not just what they cost, since they don't pay their share of local, state, federal taxes, ssn, medicare etc they also contribute to shortfalls of "revenue" as you put it. Still, as you say, there's more to it then that as well.
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I was being conservative, using the governator's own numbers when he was dismissing the costs while calling for a 15% flat income tax (which would be by FAR the highest in the nation). Even if you doubled it or tripled it, it wouldn't match our current deficit. Illegals are a huge problem for our budget and resources (like water, energy and housing) but they aren't the whole problem by any stretch.

Our deficit was endless union employee giveaways like Gray Davis during his reelection effort giving the prison guard union 30-40% pay increases and endless education spending where less than 1/2 the money actually makes it to the classroom, the rest soaked up by corrupt teacher union bureaucracy. At the same time the education spending keeps going up by leaps and bounds. Here in Orange County California, average public teacher salary is $74,528 and average California teacher salary is $64,424. Even figuring our higher cost of living, that is still way generous compensation and of course they only work 10 months out of the year.

California used to have a strong government growth control law called the Gann limit It was a state Constitutional amendment passed in 1979 following our tax revolution. It limited government growth to be based on population and cost of living. Any excess revenues had to by law be refunded to tax payers and in 1987 for example, $1.1 billion had to be returned to Joe and Jane Taxpayer.

But at the very end in the 1980's public employee unions campaigned heavily to modify the Gann limits, gutting them for union gain. Of course the sheeple bought it hook line and sinker and the gutting of Gann was the beginning of the end. In particular prop 98 required public education to get 50% of any revenues exceeding the Gann limit. Later propositions removed certain expenses from Gann limitations. All of these changes were put on the ballot and tens of millions in advertising spent by the public employee unions.

If the Gann limit had been left alone, we would be one of only 2 states in the nation running MASSIVE surpluses (actually there would be no surplus because under Gann that money would have to be returned to the taxpayers).

We need Gann reinstated after gutting state government and we need a Federal version of the Gann limit after completely gutting the Federal government. At least we need a Federal balanced budget amendment to the Constitution to end the borrowing.
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We need Gann reinstated after gutting state government and we need a Federal version of the Gann limit after completely gutting the Federal government. At least we need a Federal balanced budget amendment to the Constitution to end the borrowing.
.... BUT if we did that all the special interests, lobbyists and big business wouldn't get all the money they make now er, I mean "all their money they are entitled to that we owe them." Can't have that.... they need ROI for the money they pay to politicians....



Actually, it's a joke, but it's on us, unfortunately.
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Oh and that is EXACTLY what happened in California. The Governator wasn't always an idiot. He had some nice revolutionary reforms on the ballot that were going to allow a sort of line item veto in the budgets so that during a state of fiscal emergency the Governator would have some discretion to cut the budget in order to keep government solvent while the legislature worked out the deficit. But the public employee unions spent over $100M in advertising to defeat them, ranting and raving about "the cheeldreen". That is when the Governator rolled over and turn fiscal liberal and just continued signing bloated budget after bloated budget instead of vetoing every one and making them do what they are finally having to do now which is drastically cut spending.

Thank goodness the sheeple TROUNCED the most recent Sacramento tax high shell game scam.

Carlin was absolutely right about kids being pains in the ass. "What about the Cheeld-drin, you don't hate Cheeld-drin do you?!?"
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You may (or may not) find this animation amusing....

»www.markfiore.com/

(The California one is the current one) (Bear Flag Bananna Republic)
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said by sonicmerlin See Profile :

You do realize...Republicans widely favor the rich and big business, right?
Then why do big Wall Street financial firms support Democrats?
said by sonicmerlin See Profile :

Whenever a Republican holds office the gap between the rich and poor becomes greater, innovation slows to a crawl, and extreme deregulation leads to fiscal irresponsibility.
LOL. Under Bush 43, more low income people than ever before ended up paying no federal income tax. And if you want to blame a particular president for the current so-called crisis, you might want to know that the law deregulating the banking industry was signed into law in 1999. Who was president during that year?
said by sonicmerlin See Profile :

It was because of Bush our economy was trashed,
Outside of 2002 and 2008 we had 6 straight years of solid economic growth.
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we developed huge budget deficits,
So has every other president. 0bama makes it an art though. His fiscal irresponsibility makes even W look like the most fiscally conservative president ever.
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and we entered into 2 wars while alienating all our foreign allies.
Yawn. 0bama has managed to piss off Israel, Germany, the UK and possibly even France all in 5 months while apologizing for just about everything "bad" that the US has ever done since the time of Adam. Is that impressive or what?
said by sonicmerlin See Profile :

Bush actively ignored the economic experts at the Federal Reserve while pushing his own agenda, which ultimately helped the rich become even richer. That's been the case with every Republican.
You mean the same idiots at the Federal Reserve who dumped tons of money into the financial sector (*cough*AIG*cough*) long before any calls for a bailout?

What happened when Bush did indeed listen to the Fed and started pushing for a bailout? What is happening now that 0bama is continuing these policies? We now have billions of dollars being dumped a black hole and the worst economic "crisis" since the Great Depression with no end in sight. Isn't that nice?
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Reagan hasn't been president in 20 years. The majority of illegals currently here came to California long after 1988.
LOL they're blaming Reagan because they can't get away with blaming Bush anymore.

Who's next? Nixon? Eisenhower? Lincoln?
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said by S_engineer See Profile :

Thats certainly a cynical veiwpoint. However, the fact that I concur to a certain degree is actually kind of sad! On the other hand, this is also an opportunity to make some actual progress. We'll see...
Cough*amtrak*cough.
Cough*CERCLA*cough*BrownfieldsInitiative*cough.
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Cough*CERCLA*cough*BrownfieldsInitiative*cough.
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Re: I have so little faith that government can do anything right

Quite true
But those two government programs are cases where private industry failed to miserable extents and the government stepped in with widely successful solutions that have paid for themselves.

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Quite true
But those two government programs are cases where private industry failed to miserable extents and the government stepped in with widely successful solutions that have paid for themselves.
Success is in the eye of the beholder. With regards to Superfund there are still numerous sites that have yet to be cleaned up.

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Super···ites.svg
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But how many such sites were cleaned up privately before joint and several liability was assigned by CERCLA? (Superfund, while part of CERCLA, is just the execution of CERCLA. CERCLA itself was an attempt to fix the lack of liability on abandoned or concealed contaminated sites.)
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Cynical or not, past history tell us its true. How about that "LANDMARK HEALTH CARE BILL" of 2005...?

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Cynical or not, past history tell us its true. How about that "LANDMARK HEALTH CARE BILL" of 2005...?
True, maybe...but whats the alternative?
The megacarriers have also proven that they can't build this innitiative on their own. Billions in tax credits were given to these carriers during the Clinton era, and few rewards were seen in rural areas. Few carriers do their own upgrades without pulling the teeth of shareholders, and some carriers only consider surgical upgrades to specific areas rather than system-wide. Yes there are some that stand above, but they get associated with the cutthroats like Time-Warner.
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Re: I have so little faith that government can do anything right

said by S_engineer See Profile :

The megacarriers have also proven that they can't build this innitiative on their own. Billions in tax credits were given to these carriers during the Clinton era, and few rewards were seen in rural areas. Few carriers do their own upgrades without pulling the teeth of shareholders, and some carriers only consider surgical upgrades to specific areas rather than system-wide. Yes there are some that stand above, but they get associated with the cutthroats like Time-Warner.
The problem is that ANY solution that doesn't just enforce the status quo that you've outlined above gets labeled as anti-business, un-American, anti-capitalism, etc. and dragged through the mud and tossed out back to be shot like a lame horse.
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That isn't true. The cable and telco bribed members of Congress just call it anti-Consumer...remember, Consumers always want to pay more and get less, at least to hear them tell it.
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said by Bit See Profile :

Due to massive corruption anything that is done will be based on whatever incumbent providers want. Spine or not, Congress pulls the purse strings and votes on this stuff and every member has been bought and paid for by corporate America.
Don't blame you. Republicans have been in charge far too long. What else do you expect but bad government when people who despise the role of government get into government and sabotage it from the inside out?

Government can be an instrument of good. The 1996 telecom act would have resulted in a lot of competition and lower prices for consumers....had telcos and republicans not gutted it over the years.

This is great news!
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I fully agree with your assessment.

However, profits are down at the nations phone companies. In fact, things are so bad they had to lay off 50 lobyists. So maybe we may have a chance this time.

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They will give up their last meal before they give up their lobbyists.
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Local Loop Unbundling

We absolutely need to unbundle the local loops or provide some sort of equal-access peering to the last mile. I would love to see a new fiber system put in place with this money that allows any company to offer service over it. Then let the incumbents either develop a better solution, offer an inferior solution at a better price, or die off.

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Your solution is too logical and there for will never be considered.
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When will cable subscribers get unscrewed?

While Blair Levin is straightening out the Broadband mess, how long will it take Reed Hunt to apply the Cable Television Consumer Protection and Competition Act of 1992 to digital transmission technology. Before the CATV Industry introduced digital cable transmission technology the majority of analog channels were transmitted unscrambled. Consumers could use their cable ready television sets without renting a box and remote control from the cable company. The exception was premium and pay per view channels. Most Cable Companies used Tier Traps to filter out the channels that the subscriber did not subscribe to.

Unfortunately the Bush Administration allowed the CATV industry to use the introduction of digital transmission technology to do and end run around the Cable Television Consumer Protection and Competition Act of 1992. The consumer is put back in the same position they were before the Cable Television Consumer Protection and Competition Act of 1992 was passed. What will happen when all channels are transmitted using digital technology. Consumers will get the monetizing suppository and have to pay hundreds of dollars more per year for service unless the government acts.

You may review details of the act on this link:

»en.wikisource.org/wiki/Cable_Tel···_of_1992

The question is if Reed will force the CATV Voles to transmit conform to the terms of the act. Cable Cards will solve the problem for premium and pay per view channels. Tier traps can still be used to trap out those channels that the customer does not subscribe to.

Right now I am forced to pay $6.95 for a digital outlet even though all CATV Wiring was installed by the builder and I am responsible for maintenance and repair if there is a problem with said wiring. I am forced to pay another $6.95 if I want to receive High Definition Programming through that digital outlet.
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take on the big 3? ATT, VERIzon, Comca$T

why do we reward failure in government?

everyone else doesn't get that luxury, unless your a too big to fail company and only the well connected from within everyone else is on their own.. which is to say OUT OF A JOB!

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What year will 100mbps be available to Americans?

I'm sure they will weasel out of it somehow. Corporations are great at finding loopholes.

It will be 2050 before Americans can get 100mbps service.
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Disappointed...

When I read the headline...I thought they meant Harvey Levin of TMZ...oh well...
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