  SLD Premium join:2002-04-17 | Dubious??? Why would you call it dubious to assume "they were intentionally made that way to give the illusion that the FCC was engaged in a pro-consumer action when really just pandering to major carriers"? Seems like standard fare to me. | |
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join:2008-09-23 | Re: Dubious??? of course, now your beginning to see why the Obama + biden = FORBIDEN | |
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| Re: Murky because technology changes make hard rules obsolete Holy Shit! GOLFnSUN actually wrote *something* I agree with! But, the only reason some gov't regulation is a "big waste of time and money" is because the corporations exert their influence to make it such. It isn't the system as much as this huge white-elephant called corporate personage that is pulling it down. | |
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 |   karlmarx
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·Fairpoint Communic..
| Wait, there is an easy solution to the net neutrality problem, as you so clearly stated. Let's just BAN ENCRYPTION! Unless you are a bank or paypal of course. That way, the megacorps can use sandvine to 'manage' their network the best way they see fit (i.e. caps). -- The happiest countries are the most secular. The struggle AGAINST corporations is the struggle FOR humanity! | |
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·AT&T Yahoo
1 edit | Face it After the Insurance corps., the telecoms have the next largest 'war chest'. If your able to escape the dream, the fuzz will sharpen to reveal the legions of over-paid lawyers & lobbyists that dictate policy. No way will us peons ever be anything but supplicants. | |
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| Hard NOT to be vague They have to be a little vague. Simple and clear like some people want would basically say "bits is bits and no ISP can treat any bit differently than any other bit". Raise your hand if you want your phone call interrupted by a massive flood of music downloads the day after a celebrity death. Some type of prioritization has to be allowed to prevent such things. | |
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| Re: Hard NOT to be vague said by Mikey1 :
They have to be a little vague. Simple and clear like some people want would basically say "bits is bits and no ISP can treat any bit differently than any other bit". Raise your hand if you want your phone call interrupted by a massive flood of music downloads the day after a celebrity death. Some type of prioritization has to be allowed to prevent such things. This is NOT the same as our bits are not the same as your bits. You can still treat different types of bits differently but you have to do it so that bits for the ISP's Services are treated the same as bits for the same service being served by another ISP. IOW: An ISP can not degrade a 3rd Party VoIP phone connection to give priority to their bundled VoIP phone connection. All VoIP should be given the same priority. The same with streaming downloads. If I go the Hulu/NetFlix I should not be downgraded due to the ISP being a Cable Company who is offering Video On Demand. Phone Calls are time sensitive and thus qualify for a QoS priority. So do Video Streaming. Email and Web can live with a lower priority (as can FTP and P2P). | |
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@above.net | Re: Tread carefully What you just requested is the process for rulemaking that is currently taking place at the FCC.
Note that this is not writing "legislation", but writing regulations. | |
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@above.net
| Read the Letter Folks The prof's raise a very specific critique:
1) The proposed rule defines "nondiscriminatory" in a very narrow way, where only payment for prioritization would be banned. In other words, it would be perfectly acceptable for Comcast to prioritize Fancast traffic over YouTube traffic.
2) The FCC gutted the standard for "reasonable network management" established in the Comcast case. There, the RNM standard had to be narrowly tailored to serve a critically important interest. In the proposed rule, the FCC just rejected this standard, and replaced it with nothing. In other words, it would be perfectly acceptable under this standard for Comcast to forge RST packets to "delay" P2P, all in the name of fighting congestion.
These are specific critiques. The letter indicates the profs understand the rule must be flexible, but they are trying to get the FCC to close loopholes, or indicate that they did or did not intend for these loopholes to be in the proposal in the first place. | |
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join:2005-12-15 Santa Clara, CA
| Competition will guarantee neutrality The best protection of net neutrality is lots and lots of competition. If we focus on how we get THAT going, network neutrality will take care of itself. For example, my carrier (Paxio) features "open access" as one of their core advantages over the incumbents.
We need more companies like this. Companies who just want to be the pipe to the internet and not try to screw with the content. If one company decides to block bittorrent or streaming video, then users will vote with their feet. | |
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join:2007-12-27 | FCC is being lazy The FCC should do whats best for consumers. They are just being lazy and listening to all the wrong people "corporations" who don't have the best in mind for consumers. | |
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join:2005-09-23 Richmond, VA | Dubious! Dubious is a great word! You can attach it to any comment and people will say, "That's just ___ being ____. He's dubious about everything." | |
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join:2008-09-23
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| lets see this is dubious why? cause it gives me freedom and choice and value and is the right thing to do? yea dubious under the current capitalism structure of acta and wipo and the imf that it could work of course is what they meant to say cause the upper 1% are scared shitless of us net nerds
to them i say haha scaredy pants | |
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